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Tales of Zestiria will only be 30FPS on PS4 and PC
- Thread starter WickedLaharl
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Can't say I'm happy about the 30fps cap, but I have to agree with what you're saying. So, I'll do my best to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Horrible.
I remember Xillia being a lot choppier than Graces f. Didn't stop me from enjoying it, though.
I've always wondered...Do these Engines have a name or are they simply titled Namco Internal Engine #23-11A or something?
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yes really. There are many games from the PS360 era which skipped PC altogether, including some rather big titles like Bayonetta, Vanquish, Red Dead Redemption, and particularly in terms of Japanese games. Then you had stuff which came months later - GTA IV, Assassin's Creed (I remember the wait for 2 being particularly difficult as I only had a PC at the time), GTA V even. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore with far more console games coming to PC (which is great, more people get to play them).
Not well. The game seemed really plagued by budget issues in every single form.
You yell on the internet by the words and phrasing and, in turn, tone. You do come off as pretty aggressive in your posts even though you are right.
I think that the problem with unlocking the framerate in this game will be similar to what happen if you try to unlock the framerate of the Naruto games or even Dark Souls I.
Doctor Ironic
Member
Is 2007 your definition of "recently," or...
BronzeWolf
Banned
Hehe I knew it!
Will get it when it's el cheapo
Will get it when it's el cheapo
Unlocking the framerate will only cause the game to speed up.
GhostTrick
Banned
The Praiseworthy
Member
30FPS is fine.
shiftplusone
Member
Weren't the battles originally 60 with overworld at 30?
This game has seamless transitions into combat though doesn't it?
Which would make that a really jarring transition
This game has seamless transitions into combat though doesn't it?
Which would make that a really jarring transition
TheMrPliskin
Member
Then at least this should be better. Assuming it's not a bad port of course.
Portugeezer
Member
I am glad that they are releasing the game on PS4 and PC. That outweighs the fact that they didn't do much work on PS4/PC specifically.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Durante is just a regular guy who presumably has a job and things to do. It's unreasonable to expect him to fix all these games for free even when it's possible to pull off (which it probably isn't here).
Maybe it's cause I'm a Marine. I'm not even mad. I'm just dumbfounded.
How do you know it doesn't? Do you know what engine they use? Do you know if that engine would even allow for it? Do you think game engines don't cost money to buy or to do a massive rewrite of?
Because that's a pretty naive assumption if I ever saw one.
I don't think this qualifies as "didn't do much work"
The Xillia games do that but from what I gathered Zestiria don't because big open fields + Tales combat system + rushed...
Ugh, Zestiria iw so dissapointing.
Yeah, good luck trying to play thaT.
At least they told us before the game come out.
LOL at "Before you run off at the comment section", they know locked framerate is not ideal.
No, because the game logic is tied to framerate.
LOL at "Before you run off at the comment section", they know locked framerate is not ideal.
No, because the game logic is tied to framerate.
Iriscomeback
Member
Bummer.
Is it really that hard to have a game run at 60? Just curious.
Is it really that hard to have a game run at 60? Just curious.
GhostTrick
Banned
Eh, I'm sure he would port the entire Atelier series for free if given the opportunity.
Doctor Ironic
Member
07/08 is about when Steam started getting popular and finally lost its reputation of having more bugs than most beehives.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I also think it's dumb, but I'm not going to get angry about it because I can't change it. You, sir, are angry and it's obvious. Why do you feel the need to come on here and spread your negativity?
You're a Marine? Alright man, I'm leaving this thread. Posting here was a mistake lol
Garrett Hawke
Member
Someone in a FFT0 thread was saying that in that particular case it was for performance reasons, as tying game logic to the framerate saved on CPU or something.
Good luck with that, thought it's pretty obvious they won't, if you bothered to read the OP in the slightest.
Corpsepyre
Banned
More 30 fps shitiness. .ini file tweaks it is then!
One more game for the TB 30 fps Steam curator spot.
One more game for the TB 30 fps Steam curator spot.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's when things started indeed. But it's only recently that major publishers consider Steam as a serious platform. I mean, back in 07/08, you would still have western AAA games that wouldn't come to PC/Steam for whatever reason. As for Japanese games... that was a no.
Stone Ocean
Member
60fps is always better, but some people acting like 30fps is unplayable or unnaceptable is cringeworthy at best
What is it with people with Necalli avs spouting constant bullshit?
What engine do you know comes with forcefully tying framerate to game logic?
How am I bullshitting. How is that not having foresight to future endeavors like porting your game to another more powerful platform down the road?
Dick Justice
Banned
Didin't take long for the "I'm going to bitch about players with higher technical standards" brigade to arrive.
Basically, imagine the company created a game, and tied a bunch of things to framerate, assuming the game would only ever run on a PS3 - this means that since another company is porting Zestiria to PC, they'd have to go into the code and change fundamental things about the game itself, or even possibly redo the animations themselves, just to fix the game.
Think of it like a house of cards supported on a foundation of 30fps, and changing the framerate causes things to break.
Stone Ocean
Member
CC2's Naruto engine, for starters
Mendax
Member
come on man, 4 points of stupid in one post....
You sound like someone who thinks capping resolution is less work than leaving it arbitrarily.
It's the same for framerates, they tie them to the game's logic to save performance. No engine is going to be made solely to tie a game's logic. That would be an extremely unwieldy and shitty engine.
Believe me, if they had been working with PS4 power, they wouldn't have tied it.
A bad engine done in-house on a shoestring time, manpower and monetary budget with the assumption that it would appear on nothing but on one family of consoles. The Tales series, despite what people may think, it a B tier series at best. Tales of Zestiria evidently has much bigger problems than the rest of the Tales series with regards to...everything.
If you want to play a broken game at 60 fps rather than a stable one at 30 then sure.
Edit:
That's even if you can even tweak it with ini file. I doubt it's that easy for this game and is probably tied to the engine logic.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Well if you're defining a resurgence as "getting more console ports" I guess you're right. PC gaming has been big since steam blew up in like 2009.
Dick Justice
Banned
Funny to see people complaining that other players actually have standards, and won't just buy a game regardless of how it performs. Personal preference, yo.
protomouse
Member
I'm OK with this. They've really tried giving PC gamers some options here, which should be commended.
Like it blows my mind people are talking about money with Bandai Namco when you got indie developers who don't even make these kinds of mistake.
Choosing what engine you use during pre-development doesn't cost money. I'd figure it would be more of a hassle to develop your own engine than to get something that is free to develop on until your product is released.
Choosing what engine you use during pre-development doesn't cost money. I'd figure it would be more of a hassle to develop your own engine than to get something that is free to develop on until your product is released.
Game specific engines don't tend to have names since they're tied to one specific game.
Namco does have an internal technology library set with a name that I forget, but it's not an engine so much as a variety of code that the games share to do specific things integrated into their own engines. I don't think they use it when they're using licensed engines though, which seems to be a direction they're pursuing on mobile with Unity and on PS4/XB1 with UE4.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Awesome excuse right there by the developers. We'll see how broken it is when the framerate is unlocked.
cripterion
Member
That means I won't purchase it then.
Disappointing, but they explained why it's lock, which is beyond the porting team's control. Won't cancel my order and I look forward to their stream of the PC version on the 24th.
Considering that the developers only planned for the game to be released on PS3, tying the animations to 30fps is understandable, if not still very stupid of them. Considering Tales of Berseria is going to be on PS3 and PS4, hopefully this doesn't happen in the next game.
Considering that the developers only planned for the game to be released on PS3, tying the animations to 30fps is understandable, if not still very stupid of them. Considering Tales of Berseria is going to be on PS3 and PS4, hopefully this doesn't happen in the next game.
Cornbread78
Member
We all have prefernces, but if it performs great at 30 fps, does that still mean it's not worth playing?
I don't care about framerate all that much, but i wish they would make up their minds.
Do you want 60fps, 30fps, 30fps out of battle and 60fps inside of battles, WHICH IS IT!?
Every other game recently in Tales has had a completely different FPS and scenario for that FPS. Just pick one!
Do you want 60fps, 30fps, 30fps out of battle and 60fps inside of battles, WHICH IS IT!?
Every other game recently in Tales has had a completely different FPS and scenario for that FPS. Just pick one!