Spyder_Monkey
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You're coming off as super defensive. It's easy to dismiss arguments by saying "or is that not an option this day and age" maybe you should do some research and get a grip.
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Talk about double standards (Wall Street Journal vs. PewDiePie)
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You're coming off as super defensive. It's easy to dismiss arguments by saying "or is that not an option this day and age" maybe you should do some research and get a grip.
And they had that with the "Death to all jews" "joke". The other stuff was irrelevant to that and out of context.
Like I said, they had a perfectly fine story but then undermined it by trying to imply worse.
King Tubby
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Linking Sargon of Akkad's channel absent any criticism is a tacit endorsement of him. It's really that simple. I'm not going to be on board with that.
Is this the youtube equivalent of "I have black friends"?
Some of my best friends are youtubers.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Or the equivalent of "Oh so a black guy can say the N word and I can't? Who's the real racist here?"
Ya, to me linking to Sargon is much worse than the dumb joke that started all this. You're giving a megaphone to an actual racist shithead, GJ jokey youtube white guy.
Gross Chinner I thought you had better standards.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I think he could have had some legit criticisms of the WSJ story, but he's completely botched it so far.
LOL
OniBarubary
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I literally told you the difference. Where it is doesn't matter. It's not excusing because there is nothing to excuse, everything I said before shows why there is a difference.
It's not favoritism, it's because there IS a fucking difference.
You're being willfully obtuse.
So this part is literally right after they let him in his own words describe his position, explaining how it was just a joke and that the media was mischaracterizing his intent (~1:50 - 2:16) -- that's the context in which it's placed in the video. The swastika isn't even referenced; your screenshot lasts for I think two seconds or so, in which time it fades out and has text overlayed on top of it. So your complaint is what exactly? That they allowed him to explain it's all jokes and the media is wrong but didn't otherwise bend over backwards on top of that?
GinoFelino
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Wait, where did my post go?
Mods are removing posts that contain video Naked Snake linked, that should be obvious.
I think mods deleted Naked Snake's post.
Think the mods have deleted the Milo stuff in order to keep things on topic, might've got caught up in that.
I get that, but he is still showing the image which is the point of the text. I get that he is saying not to do it, but the point of that text is the imagery itself bolsters some people regardless of context.
Agreed, it was bad before, now its dangerous.
GinoFelino
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Alright thanks for the replies guys, didn't see that happen ever before.
More power to you if you like him. No one's saying you shouldn't like him. But you gotta understand - using the "separate the art from the artist" argument, something I can sympathize with to some degree, becomes a blurred line when his business and channel is entirely dependent on people's investment in the artist themselves. That's how most of these YouTube Gamer channels work these days, and people watch PDP less for what he does and moreso for who he is.
If you can look passed those personal indifferences to appreciate the work he makes that's fine, but you can't blame the people who can't reconcile the kind of behavior and tactics that PDP is exhibiting.
I've only seen it one other time.
Hoho for breakfast
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What I'm saying is that labels like alt right and fascist and racist and nazi and so on are being thrown out like candy at a parade and it's pathetic. Get a grip. There are people out there who actually dont like other people because of some superficial difference. Save it for them.
Well then the WSJ is guilty of that too by showing the very same image.
You can't say that if the point you were previously making was that the references were out of context, because the context of even the Jews sign was that the service had no checks in place to prevent the sign from being made, meaning we're back at this notion that the WSJ should've never made the article. Either all of the examples are relevant or none of them are.
But they did make the article, and they did investigation to show he's done it on more than one occasion to strengthen the argument that he's not just a guy who slipped up once, but a certified dumbass.
Helps keep stuff on topic. They don't want the thread to devolve into arguments about the media in general or the alt-right in general I assume.
Sho_Nuff82
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Does anyone have a summary for anyone who isn't involved in YouTube/Twitter culture wars?
They're literally saying "hey this guy has a lot of Nazi imagery on his videos, here's his explanation for it." That's adequate context.
Moon Presence
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Just started watching the video and the sweater alone made me giggle. Will come back and edit with my opinion tho(like anyone cares).
Spyder_Monkey
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PDP is literally giving a prominate memeber of the alt-right known for dog piling and harassing more attention and people are having a problem with that. What's hard for you understand?
GinoFelino
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Anyway. Getting back to you once more.
Yes, David Duke. His endorsement of Trump is an actual thing that happened. And now Pewdiepie is cozying up to and linking the profiles of similarly vile, racist scumbags to millions of people.
Please demonstrate this nuance of yours, because apparently I don't see it.
(Ridiculous was a tad too strong)
I just don't find the "it's a joke" distinction all that meaningful. There are racist jokes! There are jokes that communicate awful, hateful things! Comedy isn't something that minimizes the underlying messages it communicates -- often, it makes those messages much more potent and dangerous. I think comedy is one of the most dangerous, potent political forces there is.
Look at Milo. His whole schtick is "everything's a joke." That's the alt-right's knee-jerk defensive crouch. Well, that's not good enough. Irony, comedy, etc. is speech just like any other speech -- and it holds power and meaning and can be dissected and criticized in an intelligent manner.
I mean both of those words are pretty accurately describing both a number of people, and the general political situation in a certain country of the world right now, so I'd wager many of those uses are relatively justified.
That is, unless you are in a position where neither of those things really affect you, then of course it just seems "pathetic".
Get a grip.
I never made that notion. What I've said from the beginning is that they had a story with the sign and the rest was idiotic to include. You argument that it's all or nothing doesn't make sense. That they left out the context for the other examples doesn't help their argument but actually undermines it
No, it's not when he was literally not making a joke there. Why include that and even cut out the sound?
My respect for pewdiepie has skyrocketed after this and his previous apology video.
Spot on. Im finally a subscriber.
In a way Im glad this horrible incident happened to him (a genuinely nice guy) purely for the fact that he has the platform and reach to expose it for what it really is and perhaps wake more people up as to what is actually going on.
The exact same thing holds true for Trump.
He's not a Nazi. He's not a fascist. He's just a nice guy making millions laugh and offending a few precious power hungry virtue signalling people along the way.
The videogame industry is filled with these types unfortunately... but that's another story.
Spot on. Im finally a subscriber.
In a way Im glad this horrible incident happened to him (a genuinely nice guy) purely for the fact that he has the platform and reach to expose it for what it really is and perhaps wake more people up as to what is actually going on.
The exact same thing holds true for Trump.
He's not a Nazi. He's not a fascist. He's just a nice guy making millions laugh and offending a few precious power hungry virtue signalling people along the way.
The videogame industry is filled with these types unfortunately... but that's another story.
Calm waterfall
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"I know him and everyone he associate with even though i don´t know the guy. He is racist sexist, and a homophobe, not he actually showed any of that but i will just make these accusations to the guy, because he is a successful youtuber and i am not, and he does not conform to every single idea that i have. He does not have the same sense of humor that i have. PDP is a racist scumbag".
Is this a serious post, or have you got your accusatory, judgmental goggles on? Comparing People to Kim Jong Ill and Duke is going off the deep end.
Wait I'm not following you--he's genuine about Nazi imagery now? I'm really legitimately not following you.
SirClinksAlot
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Nah, he's acting like Milo: Say horrible offensive shit then blame the media for daring to report about it say they are trying to destroy him because they are sooooooo jealous. He might not be as scummy as Milo(few are) but he is using the same playbook.
jesus christ
visiblemode
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Why should they do it differently? The story is about a prominent YouTuber losing sponsors over controversial behaviour. Obviously you have to contact the sponsors for quotes. Don't you think it makes sense to have them on the record in order to be able to ask him about his response to their statements?
The wording of the OP is as though they snuck behind his back. That's not how journalism works. You want the sources and ideally you get them in an order that let's you ask questions that are relevant to your earlier discoveries.
The wording of the OP is as though they snuck behind his back. That's not how journalism works. You want the sources and ideally you get them in an order that let's you ask questions that are relevant to your earlier discoveries.
wtf am I reading here
GinoFelino
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I can't compare Sargon of Akkad to David Duke.....why?
Please explain, I've asked before.
lol
PDP made a comedy group on Fiverr hold up a sign that said "Death to All Jews" followed by them saying "Subscribe to Keemstar".
A crass joke that is tone deaf and insensitive, but nothing more.
People jump on him for the joke and he kind of pushes back, paying a Fiverr Jesus comedy guy to say "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" among other things. Fiverr bans Jesus guy and PDP gets upset about that, Fiverr bans PDP and the original comedy duo and PDP gets upset about that. PDP makes a video mocking people who're calling him a nazi (which was a fairly funny video imo), small tech blogs do their small tech blog thing and write about the drama. PDP apologizes via Tumblr.
WSJ gets wind and collects a bunch of nazi imagry used in PDPs jokes and then contacts Disney (who employs PDP), Disney fires PDP, then WSJ contacts PDP for comment. He declines. WSJ posts what I feel is a badly written article and PDP gets mad and responds via Video pointing out the poor reporting. H3H3 makes a video response backing PDP. PDP makes a video where he shoots nazis in the nuts in Sniper Elite 4. PDP makes this video to respond to small tech blogs, linking to Sargon who apparently came out in support of PDP at some point.
I may have gotten some of the timeline wrong.
You have a childlike understanding of racism/discrimination. It's vastly more complex than "not liking people." If your behavior contributes to systemic structures that disadvantage people, you're part of the problem. A person's individual feelings are almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things now. Whether you or PDP harbor some internal negativity toward a group in your heart of hearts means all of jack-shit.
The notion I mentioned wasn't in regards to anything you've said, but the general defense people have held that the WSJ literally never should've been said a thing about it. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Regardless, the rest wasn't idiotic to include because the rest directly ties into the point that the original sign video wasn't a slip up, but rather that he's carelessly done this shit before.
Entryism is the term we're all looking for.
White supremacists, nazis, fascists, they like these kinds of ironic jokes because it delegitimizes something and normalizes it. They see it as an entry point. PDP is essentially holding the door open for his followers right now to Sargon, a fascist, racist, misogynist, serial harasser, etc., by promoting him.
White supremacists, nazis, fascists, they like these kinds of ironic jokes because it delegitimizes something and normalizes it. They see it as an entry point. PDP is essentially holding the door open for his followers right now to Sargon, a fascist, racist, misogynist, serial harasser, etc., by promoting him.
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