Sooo... Those settings where they say zero for sharpness they actually like it with a slight amount of sharpness?
i.e. Whatever sharpness the bug is adding.
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TCL P607 P Series ( the new mid range/budget 4k/HDR recommendation)
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Sooo... Those settings where they say zero for sharpness they actually like it with a slight amount of sharpness?
i.e. Whatever sharpness the bug is adding.
lifetimeofnot
Member
It automatically turns the backlight up to 100 for hdr. You could turn it down it bothers you but it's supposed to be set to 100 for her, it helps create more dynamic colors.
Razzmatazzer
Member
So why choose the amazon model over the best buy one again? Both have free shipping and Best Buy is cheaper. Amazon model just has a superior remote right?
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Yes. Amazon remote has voice search and remote locator functions.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Well, shit.
RedAssedApe
Banned
haha...that or they didn't run into the bug on their initial testing because they were testing sdr modes and then switched to hdr modes and had to re-adjust sharpness anyways which would have compensated for the bug.
True that's possible.
hopefully they will clarify although don't know as I've ever seen them recommend above 0.
Really hope they actually check to be sure 0 is not softening too much.
Been running 0 -5 for quality content and 15-25 for 1080i cable TV
RedAssedApe
Banned
yeah i haven't settled on a sharpness setting yet. sometimes i'll go 0 and for games sometimes i feel like the text doesn't look sharp so i bump it up to 5-10
I just got the TCL P605 (didn't see the use for headphone input or voice remote) last week, and have been tinkering with settings and devices, but so far it's been great. The warmer colors that everyone suggests took a day or two to get used to, but after that adjustment period, it looks pretty good to me now.
I was originally looking at the Vizio P-series, and since there's no real difference between this and last year's models, I was expecting to maybe find one Black Friday for about the same price as the TCL, but decided it wasn't worth waiting the 3 months and losing 5" for better local dimming.
Using it did call to attention the lack of HDR content, and I initially forgot to order HDMI 2.0 cables, too. I'll probably get an Xbox One S come Black Friday for a cheap 4K blu-ray player to go with it. In the meanwhile I've been looking at setting up sound and starting with a receiver and 2.1 system with room to grow. Audio looks like an even deeper rabbit hole than video, holy hell.
I was originally looking at the Vizio P-series, and since there's no real difference between this and last year's models, I was expecting to maybe find one Black Friday for about the same price as the TCL, but decided it wasn't worth waiting the 3 months and losing 5" for better local dimming.
Using it did call to attention the lack of HDR content, and I initially forgot to order HDMI 2.0 cables, too. I'll probably get an Xbox One S come Black Friday for a cheap 4K blu-ray player to go with it. In the meanwhile I've been looking at setting up sound and starting with a receiver and 2.1 system with room to grow. Audio looks like an even deeper rabbit hole than video, holy hell.
RedAssedApe
Banned
yeah seems like there isn't much in the way of hdr content outside of Netflix and Amazon originals. the rest are movies you have to pay for piecemeal to stream or have a device with UHD bluray drive.
i'm hoping more games start supporting hdr as a standard feature now that most consoles (outside of OG Xbone) support it.
Razzmatazzer
Member
Yeah, purchasing some audio equipment crossed my mind recently and I attempted to browse around to see what things cost and stuff... Seems insane. Not only am I lost, but everything decent/good seems pretty damn pricey... Ugh
UncleMeat
Member
Somebody here always recommends these so I guess I'll be that guy today: https://www.cnet.com/products/pioneer-sp-pk52fs/ Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, not sexy but some of the best you can do until you spend a lot more money. They also tend to go on sale at a pretty good discount once or twice a year.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That's exactly why.
They'll raise their prices soon enough.
They gotta get street cred though
I have an Xbox One already and didn't realize that it wasn't updated to support HDR like baseline PS4 until I loaded Forza Horizon 3 and was wondering why HDR wasn't working. Then I looked it up. GG Microsoft. This is yet another reason why you're so fucked this gen.
I've been consulting Reddit about audio, and these are the guides /r/hometheater suggests, written by /u/zeos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Zeos/comments/5zt8mw/guide_surround_sound_51/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Zeos/comments/5b1u99/guide_subwoofers/
The room I'm set up in now is fairly small, so I don't see the need for full surround, but I still plan to get a 5.1 receiver even though I'm probably only going to use 2.1 and expand later when I move.
An entry-level 5.1 receiver from Denon seems to be about $220. A pair of speakers for $200, and a subwoofer for $100 would bring the total for 2.1 sound to ~$550.
Razzmatazzer
Member
This is good stuff, thank you! Doesn't seem to be as insanely expensive as I initially thought.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Be careful about entry level receivers. Many of them don't offer 4K HDMI passthrough.
The cheapest receiver that does that is (I think) the Yamaha VSX-383 and it's a GREAT receiver if you don't mind the lack of Dolby ATmos.
I find DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD to be more than adequate for my needs.
I was looking at the Yamaha V383, but have been considering stepping up to Denon X1300, especially as a factory refurb through A4L.
mikespit1200
Member
My TCL just arrives. Is there a preferred settings page from rtings or something to follow for the best gaming experience?
The Rtings is amazing. I would just recommend putting the TV on "brighter" and then turning down the backlight to compensate. Everything follow from that guide.
LouieGeetoo
Member
You can get to their recommended settings with the tab link near the top of the review. Or here's a direct link: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/p-series-2017-p607/settings
mikespit1200
Member
Thanks!
DirtyLarry
Member
Wish me luck tomorrow ladies and gentlemen. My replacement from Best Buy will be here between 12-4 and I am crossing my fingers it is dead pixel free! Will definitely post back.
I also realized I do not think even though I did get an update right when I turned the TV on it is the latest firmware. I am not losing sleep over it since I am getting the replacement but if that happens again, I will just need a link as to how to do it manually with a USB stick.
I also realized I do not think even though I did get an update right when I turned the TV on it is the latest firmware. I am not losing sleep over it since I am getting the replacement but if that happens again, I will just need a link as to how to do it manually with a USB stick.
i HeaR MusiC
Member
is the 50" delayed as well?
FoxnHurley
Member
You can follow their calibrations if you want, though my TV didn't look too great on HDR or SDR after. I guess it varies with each TV since I had a noticeable black crush and the colors were overly saturated. I ended up using settings from someone on avs forums who was kind enough to post his 11 Pt WB settings. Turned the gamma down to 2.4 and color up to 80 for HDR Light and everything pops, especially sources of light and fire, with no black crush. Final Fantasy XV, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Mass Effect Andromeda all look amazing.
DirtyLarry
Member
Replacement arrived. ZERO Dead Pixels.
Thanks again for pushing me all. Was a pain free process and I was being stubborn.
So what is the latest firmware supposed to be? Mine says 7.6.2 build 4152-30
Is that the latest?
If not, how do I get the latest? Just checked TCL's support site and I did not see anything about firmware.
Thanks again for pushing me all. Was a pain free process and I was being stubborn.
So what is the latest firmware supposed to be? Mine says 7.6.2 build 4152-30
Is that the latest?
If not, how do I get the latest? Just checked TCL's support site and I did not see anything about firmware.
mikespit1200
Member
Would you mind linking to the AVS settings?
There should be a option under Settings to check for new firmware updates. It should also show you when the last update was, and when the last automatic check (if enabled, though it is by default) was performed.
FoxnHurley
Member
Sure. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/2869161-official-2017-tcl-p-series-55p607-owners-thread-no-price-talk-61.html#/topics/2869161?page=185
Look for a post by username 'jyqureshi'
Here are the settings if you're unable to locate his post. I bumped up my backlight to 50 for SDR and maxed it at 100 for HDR
jyqureshi
online
Jul 29, 2017 · #1847
Here are my settings with 40 back light, attached is the calibration report.
TV Brightness Normal
Picture Mode Movie
Gamma 2.2
Noise Reduction Off
Advanced Settings
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Local Contrast High
Backlight 40
Brightness 50
Contrast 100
Color 45
Color Temp Warm
Game mode Off
11 PT WB
=======
Red Green Blue
100% 49 42 -255
90% 36 28 -150
80% 19 6 -155
70% 27 3 -125
60% 23 6 -101
50% 10 2 -95
40% 18 2 -67
30% 19 1 -50
20% 23 -5 -29
10% 33 -15 25
5% -1 -14 -46
Color Space
Red Green Blue
Red 0 3 0
Green 0 0 3
Blue 0 3 20
Cyan 0 8 0
Magenta 34 3 -34
Yellow 6 -6 0
RedAssedApe
Banned
im too lazy to look but it was posted a page or two back where to get the firmware download.
seems like newer owners are having this issue. maybe they rolled back the game mode/fald update and aren't auto pushing that to users anymore. it could be because the firmware resets all your settings? lol
Amazon.ca is now stocking it so it's finally available in Canada without having to go through other means.
$642.19 CDN currently, ships in 2-5 months so could be quite a wait.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06Y6FSV5Q/
$642.19 CDN currently, ships in 2-5 months so could be quite a wait.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06Y6FSV5Q/
I thought to take advantage of HDR--assuming HDR content--Backlight needs to basically be maxed out to 100?
RedAssedApe
Banned
movie mode is a sdr mode
the tv will automatically max out brightness to 100 on all hdr10 and dv modes
I was not aware of this and should probably adjust my settings then. Thanks.
FoxnHurley
Member
Should automatically be at 100 for any HDR setting. I recommended you crank the color up past 45 if playing any HDR content on PS4. I have mine set at 80 and the picture quality is astounding.
RedAssedApe
Banned
unfortunately it doesn't. i think the spec page gives dimensions with and without stand so you can kind of estimate the height based on that.
Aw that's too bad, thanks!
I went with the dudes 20 bl setting:
Originally Posted by jyqureshi View Post
I was experimenting to see how backlight was affecting the white levels and colors, turned out it was affecting quite a bit
Here are settings for backlight 20:
Code:
11 PT WB
Red Green Blue
100% 13 44 -222
90% 6 32 -116
80% 2 23 -125
70% 12 13 -103
60% -6 8 -90
50% 9 20 -74
40% 9 11 -60
30% 21 16 -30
20% 17 3 -29
10% 24 -28 34
5% 11 5 -37
Color Space
Red Green Blue
Red 0 3 0
Green 0 0 3
Blue 0 3 20
Cyan 0 8 0
Magenta 34 3 -34
Yellow 6 -6 0
So far I can say it's def the most accurate color representation I've seen so far.
Still if you're expecting to be omg blown away by hdr you're gonna have to do what others in this thread have done, crank the color up, for me that's completely unrealistic and it's very jarring looking,
Originally Posted by jyqureshi View Post
I was experimenting to see how backlight was affecting the white levels and colors, turned out it was affecting quite a bit
Here are settings for backlight 20:
Code:
11 PT WB
Red Green Blue
100% 13 44 -222
90% 6 32 -116
80% 2 23 -125
70% 12 13 -103
60% -6 8 -90
50% 9 20 -74
40% 9 11 -60
30% 21 16 -30
20% 17 3 -29
10% 24 -28 34
5% 11 5 -37
Color Space
Red Green Blue
Red 0 3 0
Green 0 0 3
Blue 0 3 20
Cyan 0 8 0
Magenta 34 3 -34
Yellow 6 -6 0
So far I can say it's def the most accurate color representation I've seen so far.
Still if you're expecting to be omg blown away by hdr you're gonna have to do what others in this thread have done, crank the color up, for me that's completely unrealistic and it's very jarring looking,
RedAssedApe
Banned
default 45 color is fine for me. bumping it up makes things too red and unnatural looking on my set. reminds me of vivid/torch modes in sdr.
Yup, I've been waiting for the 65" and my patience just ran out. I'll be picking up the 55" on the way home from dinner.
I can imagine the TCL CEO sitting in his office after this decision, reading comments such as mine, and muttering, "Excellent..." in his best Mr. Burns voice.
You won't regret it
DirtyLarry
Member
Nah yeah, I know where that is. It updated as soon as I put the TV on. I just do not have the firmware where you can keep Local Dimming with Game Mode. Perhaps that has something to do with...
Okay thanks for sharing this. It definitely checks every day so perhaps it is best to just leave as is. If they pulled the firmware, they did so for a reason I have to imagine.