That's probably the upper end of my price range. Hoping to not go curved though.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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DOT DASH DOT
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I agree with all your points, but even if I sat at an angle, I'd still never buy an IPS display! But also some of these IPS panels have terrible uniformity with dark scenes, most of those issues that VA panels have can be overcome with buying quality, and maybe some dark streaking and faded corners you can't beat, but for enthusiasts like most of us, an IPS in whatever situation will never be an option.
You can't get loseless 5.1 out of the optical port though. It'd work for streaming sites and cable tv but it's not ideal for BluRay or PS4/XBO.
Are there no good sub-40" 4K HDR sets? I want something for my bedroom and anything bigger is overkill. I'm looking around but am worried about wasting money on "Fake HDR" or some Sharp shit I found at Walmart that's listed as 4K but apparently doesn't even support the form of HDMI required for it or something.
Hate being almost completely in the dark here. :/ Lots of TVs also seem to be difficult to find reviews for apart from the huge $1000+ ones.
Hate being almost completely in the dark here. :/ Lots of TVs also seem to be difficult to find reviews for apart from the huge $1000+ ones.
NYR
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Huh. I'm not seeing it in the app....
No, there aren't any. Manufacturers don't care about >40", and it shows. All you're going to find is edge-lit garbage, with weak blacks/brightness, and terrible contrast ratios. If you do find an under 40" HDR, it'll be HDR in name only.
I bought one for general purpose family use and it's good. Rarely does it get viewed in low light and almost always in moderate light. Viewing angles are very wide so VA wasn't an option. I still feel it was a good call. If Sony or LG comes thru with a fantastic bunch of OLED improvements in the next few years I'll slide my current OLED in there, which I think would be ideal.
Backlight uniformity is even worse on an IPS panel (+ IPS glow)
Damn, that really sucks. What's the best alternative? Or should I just keep on trucking with 1080p non-HDR?
DOT DASH DOT
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That's fair enough, it's a bit of a different story if it's watched in a well lit/daytime environment, for me it's the opposite, and never get to watch TV or play games in the day.
Theonik
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FALD is very space intensive. That's why it is normally offered in 65" or up. It also makes no sense to offer expensive technology in some situations sizes meant for the budget conscious.
does your internet speed support 4K?
are you using wireless or wired connection?
My Amazon App was acting funny a few days ago... but after exiting out and back in, it labeled the titles correctly. I was testing Mad Dogs...then watched the second episode of Grand Tour.
both support 4K HDR.
NYR
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Everything works for me internet wise, I have 4K/HDR with Netflix working fine via the TV app.
It's a tough decision because TVs are typically only using 1000:1 IPS panels compared to the ~1700:1 panels appearing in mobile devices.
Then again most TVs are now using 3000:1 native VA panels compared to the older 5000:1 native VA panels.
I don't know if I could bring myself to spend $2700 on one of those IPS TVs.
But I also find it difficult to justify spending that sort of money on a high-end VA panel today now that OLED is here.
If only things didn't have to be a compromise no matter what you buy.
IPS / VA / OLED displays all have different strengths and weaknesses.
There is no display which is "best" today.
I wish we could get NVIDIA or ASUS to produce a gaming display using one of LG's OLED panels.
It won't fix the brightness problems, but having someone other than LG handle the processing should be able to make a much better gaming display.
Even if Sony include an impulse mode on their OLEDs next year, there's no guarantee that they will be refreshing at 60Hz, and I'm certain that they won't support variable refresh rates.
Well those are different issues.
Clouding/Mura is typically a VA problem and it's a panel uniformity issue.
Backlight uniformity is caused by the display assembly/design and can be an issue for any LCD type.
The exception are full array local dimming displays which can have each zone calibrated so that the brightness is uniform across all zones.
You can have a FALD LCD which has perfect backlight uniformity, but which suffers from clouding/mura due to the VA panel placed in front of it though.
IPS Glow is only a problem for some displays, not all of them.
Here is a comparison between two different IPS panels - only one of them suffers from IPS Glow.
The panels Apple are using in their "retina displays" don't seem to have much/any IPS Glow either - at least not with the devices I've used.
I think it's a much bigger problem for AUO-produced AHVA "IPS-Type" panels than actual LG / Panasonic IPS panels, which gives IPS a bad name.
Samsung's "Super PLS" panels, which is their "IPS-type" technology, also seem to be good displays.
Viewing angles on VA panels are significantly worse than IPS, and you have issues like black crush to deal with on VA panels as well.
Here are two displays which are as similar as could be for comparison.
IPS panel.
VA panel.
VA panels have the best contrast, there's no question of that, but the area of the screen where you actually get that contrast is so small, and they have so many other issues.
My Sony TV uses a 5000:1 native contrast VA panel and I don't think I would buy another.
That's why I'm really excited by the Panasonic IPS announcement.
Their IPS-Alpha panel technology has always been the best type of LCD, and now they have increased the contrast to 1,000,000:1 native.
That has a lot of potential to compete with OLED. It won't win on absolute black, but could be better in most other areas.
My concern is if/when they will be available in consumer products.
So far, their best IPS-Alpha panels have only been made available in medical displays, and possibly broadcast monitors.
Panasonic seem to be moving away from consumer products - especially televisions. I don't think their OLED is even available outside of Europe.
Sorry if this isn't the right place but I need some confirmation Audiophile GAF!
My theatre system went pop on Sunday just gone so I've been looking for a replacement. A couple of years ago my mum bought an ONKYO TX-SR577...and she want's to give it to me (she want's to buy a Q Acoustics M4 Soundbar instead - very nice).
Awesome, right! Except it's HDMI 1.3a!!
I want to connect my PS4 Pro to it...will there be any incompatibility with this AV Receiver? I know I can use Optical Out for audio but I thought PS4 and PS4 Pro used HDMI 1.4 for video.
My theatre system went pop on Sunday just gone so I've been looking for a replacement. A couple of years ago my mum bought an ONKYO TX-SR577...and she want's to give it to me (she want's to buy a Q Acoustics M4 Soundbar instead - very nice).
Awesome, right! Except it's HDMI 1.3a!!
I want to connect my PS4 Pro to it...will there be any incompatibility with this AV Receiver? I know I can use Optical Out for audio but I thought PS4 and PS4 Pro used HDMI 1.4 for video.
NYR
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A bit of a pain, eh? I sent an email to Amazon, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't include it on purpose to fast track the app.
First time I've heard that.
I've seen my fair share of clouding on IPS panel, moreso than on VA
Looking at rting and their black uniformity rankings, 8 of the ten worst ones are IPS with backlight bleeding and clouding issues for the most part
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/black-uniformity-clouding-flashlighting
Gray uniformity is also worse on IPS which can lead to (even more) banding, DSE
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gray-uniformity-dirty-screen-effect-dse
I'm not saying IPS doesn't have anything over VA (it does like you've said) but panel uniformity, whether it's clouding, backlight bleeding, banding, DSE...is in general worse
Also curious about what Panasonic has in store.
For people like me who do most of their watching in a dim (if not pitch black) room, IPS is not an option at the moment
shadow2810
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I'm wondering if I should invest in an a/v receiver just to connect multiple devices to my C6 TV since it only has 3 HDMI ports...
My sound setup is pretty crappy (I have 2.1 Logitech speakers and RS 185 sennheiser wireless headphone) so I'm thinking av receiver may actually be overkill, but then I need a device that can support 4k@60hz 4:4:4 (for pc) so HDMI switch is out of question.
I'm currently looking at Onkyo TX-NR545, price seems decent and it offers 6 HDMI ports, though I'm still not sure if I should get one or just get a 4k switcher for other devices and plug my PC directly to the TV...
My sound setup is pretty crappy (I have 2.1 Logitech speakers and RS 185 sennheiser wireless headphone) so I'm thinking av receiver may actually be overkill, but then I need a device that can support 4k@60hz 4:4:4 (for pc) so HDMI switch is out of question.
I'm currently looking at Onkyo TX-NR545, price seems decent and it offers 6 HDMI ports, though I'm still not sure if I should get one or just get a 4k switcher for other devices and plug my PC directly to the TV...
Crimson_Gold
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I'm going to buy a receiver and then I'll slowly build my system around it. I'm using the setup that sector suggested
Yes that will be an issue, you need HDMI 2.0a with HDCP 2.2 for full compatibility with the Pro.
OK. When I get a 4K TV I can continue to run Optical to the receiver for sound and connect my PS4 Pro directly to the TV via HDMI for 4k...rather than doing it all through a single HDMI.
Thank you.
Correct.
Also, see this thread when you get close to a purchase of an AVR,
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1275630
I'll have a look tonight for you!
I will try this tonight after work and let you know how I go!
Haha that's when you know it's a decent set. My girlfriend insisted that she wouldn't be able to tell the difference and it'll be "just a TV", but then she was left speechless in awe during certain shots in The Revenant, she actually started laughing at how good it looked haha!
Devils advocate, but wouldn't LG having the most recent multi-year experience with OLED give them a leg up over Sony and Panasonic? I'm a huge fan of Sony AND Panasonic TVs (love my plasma with a fiery passion), but I'm not sure I expect their 2017 models to be significantly better than LGs (and they will most likely be more expensive, rumor aside).
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
vpance
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Sony has quite a bit of experience with OLED, just nothing for consumers.
Well, Sony will be using LG panels and applying their own image processing and Smart TV OS. I think at the very least Sony's OLED will be better than LG's 2016 models at handling sub 4K content and possibly shadow detail. It's not possible to improve the blacks, and I doubt they'll squeeze more brightness out of the panels than LG has so far.
It'll be interesting to see who's 2017 model is better though (if Sony even releases one).
I'd expect pretty big things from Sony and Panasonic, they both have excellent image processing!
Yeah, well said...I guess the bolded is what I'm trying to say.
Crimson_Gold
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Honestly, I think the Sony will be due to the interface and x1 chip. First part is all subjective, but the x1 is just amazing
Crimson_Gold
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The rumored Sony prices sound to be in line with current prices. So here's hoping 2017 pricing is lower all around
Yeah I'd opt for WebOS over Android or Firefox OS personally, but the X1 is pretty good at processing.
I wonder which OLEDs will remove 3D and push brightness as high as possible.
So what settings should I set for both the XB1 and my TV?
Crimson_Gold
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I love Android OS for some reason. Probably just used to it.
I want one with 3D and one without. Best of both worlds. But then I'm still looking at the z9d lustingly. Idk what to do
Any good rundowns of the Sony rumors? Just heard them for the first time today in this thread.
I imagine most will. If they could get OLED to about 1000 bits without aggressive ABL it'll be glorious.
Crimson_Gold
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That's basically half of what the E6 launched at in the US I think. Didn't think prices would come down that drastically.
Not too bad for their first run of OLED
3rd quarter is a long time to wait though. Was hoping for something in the 2nd.
Crimson_Gold
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How do you think the z9d compares to the e6?
But yea, pricing looks good going into next year for Sony OLED. LG will have to match. Hopefully Panasonic will add additional pressure