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LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
But I have money!
Surely that entitles me to some bending of the rules? Possibly even some screwing of the rules?
No rules. Rules are made up on the fly. Staying true to the source material.
Even things like stripping or adding roles is something that a mod could do that the players would have no idea. You cannot vote or accuse a player for 2 turns unless someone acts on you first. Etc. They're abstract rules that'll help someone navigate into the flow of it without throwing the flow of the current game off. No "hello. I just read through the board and here are all my reads" subject and pace changers. Replacements should be in the backseat.
Okay, back to dead thread. There is one reason to possibly consider having separate dead threads for each game. Basically, we can potentially use dead players from one game as replacements in the other. Once a player is tainted by a combined dead thread, however, that is out the window. We also need to be extremely cautious about any powers that actually involve the dead in any way.
I was thinking about it from a new player perspective. It seems like it would be a tiny bit alienating every time we have to say, "Oh, sorry, in THIS game it works like so. Ignore the other game".
Also makes it easier to set up new games when you can copy paste the rules out of any previous game.
I'm sure the veterans will adapt to anything new without issue though.
I was thinking about it from a new player perspective. It seems like it would be a tiny bit alienating every time we have to say, "Oh, sorry, in THIS game it works like so. Ignore the other game".
Also makes it easier to set up new games when you can copy paste the rules out of any previous game.
I'm sure the veterans will adapt to anything new without issue though.
I think thats unfair to people who are coming in and just want to play "you can play, but not really" is kind of a shitty thing to do to people.
it's not a video game or anything. In most social situations in real life you're usually eased in.
Yeah, I guess the mindset I had at the time was that many of the players of the first game were returning, and so I wanted to do something unusual, so that the experienced players and the newbies might be on more equal footing.
Coming fresh off the first game, I had a lot of reactionary ideas from things I experienced there. I definitely didn't want to use switchers and doctors and such, but just using the other half of the common role line-up would be predictable, too.
Crab firmly steered me away from being too punk rock with my ideas. He was saying the same things about not veering too far away from the basic mafia formula. Ultimately, AC Mafia became a game that was pretty thin and basic in terms of roles, but that's what made room for the complications of the map and such.
IMO, it can be fun to adjust to one or two new wrinkles in these games, but they have to be easy to grasp (which is why I put so much effort into making these vivid maps and such).
But I don't want to come off like "ordinary games are no fun". I'm eager to play in any of the more traditional setups coming up. I also don't want to shut out criticism from things that I did badly. My aim isn't to generate controversy or be the GAF mafia counterculture, I really just want to try my best to make cool and original games. The sooner you tell me how bad AC Mafia is, the sooner I stop trying to inflict more of it on you all
you're denying them the opportunity to move forward, you're holding them back, that's not easing in.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
I would just like to say
HippieHobo changing his name between me opening this thread and moving on to the second page really confused me
That is all
HippieHobo changing his name between me opening this thread and moving on to the second page really confused me
That is all
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
OMG I AM SO LOST RIGHT NOW
what is going on
where is hippie
who is this saeth person
I NEEDS MAP
STAT
If you attempt to screw the rules then you may find yourself on the receiving end of my invisible gun. Just a warning.
Yea but they're actually at an advantage, socially. So they should be held back. It's no shock that some of the most troubling players this game were all late entrants.
Also hopefully it will make people feel bad about leaving to begin with.
Dealing with inactive users. Not really sure what the best option is here. Just killing them or replacing them. Both options are not ideal.
I did not follow the AC thread too close. But I think there were quite a few replacements, right? Any Mafia player among them? My guess would be that Mafia players are less likely to leave the game. Which would be bad for the game.
I did not follow the AC thread too close. But I think there were quite a few replacements, right? Any Mafia player among them? My guess would be that Mafia players are less likely to leave the game. Which would be bad for the game.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Actually, over a sample size pf ~250 games, mafiascum's community concluded that individually, scum were very marginally more likely to go inactive. Thing is there's more town so obviously more inactives are going to be town as a whole, but it's not really a tell in and of itself either way.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Interesting. I thought that playing as Mafia may more exciting and that the peer pressure is bigger.
Did any players with a power leave the AC game?
Btw. did you receive my message about the CoC game?
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Whoever squidy and Retro were both replacements and they had powers
One of the mafia bailed the first day (they were new and felt overwhelmed), one of the gossips went inactive before being replaced by retro, and squidyj's role went inactive before he took it up (such an important role, too).
Never Forever
Member
I hope I can leave my opinion on how to get more people interested on a basic level, with ideas on how to make the OP a touch more newcomer-friendly for recruitment etc.
Maybe some simple how-to-play, beyond the actual rules of the game? Basically just stealing the 'I'm town/scum! What do I do?' sections from this wiki page and dumping them there, but hey.
I feel that it would definitely make it easier and more welcoming for new players if they had some easily accessible pointers somewhere obvious on how to play the game themselves versus just knowing the rules and how the game will play out, if that makes sense?
There's only so much theory can do, and the whole point of a game like this is that it is so dependent on the social dynamic and the infinite permutations based solely on people that there is no easy guide to victory, but having some idea of how to go about things and basic strategy definitely gives people more faith in themselves and makes them feel less intimidated and more willing to throw themselves into it. Just as long as you're sure to stress that above all people should do whatever is natural and that there are no guarantees, no matter how many tells there are, that another player is town/scum.
I think it would also be best if the basic roles were listed in a straightforward manner. Not everything under the sun, but the common ones like Villager/Cop/Doctor/x and Goon/Godfather/Roleblocker/x and then Serial Killer and other neutrals, just to give a quick point of reference as to what other people could be as well as yourself. I also think that Role PMs should probably include the basic role name in brackets next to the flavour text, even if this slightly breaks the illusion of the theme, just so people can Google and look up stuff. Obviously, the problem is that not everything will have easy analogies in some flavours, but I'm kind of clueless as to how to deal with that.
Sorry if this sounds a bit bossy! I look forward to playing with you guys in Season 3.
Maybe some simple how-to-play, beyond the actual rules of the game? Basically just stealing the 'I'm town/scum! What do I do?' sections from this wiki page and dumping them there, but hey.
I feel that it would definitely make it easier and more welcoming for new players if they had some easily accessible pointers somewhere obvious on how to play the game themselves versus just knowing the rules and how the game will play out, if that makes sense?
There's only so much theory can do, and the whole point of a game like this is that it is so dependent on the social dynamic and the infinite permutations based solely on people that there is no easy guide to victory, but having some idea of how to go about things and basic strategy definitely gives people more faith in themselves and makes them feel less intimidated and more willing to throw themselves into it. Just as long as you're sure to stress that above all people should do whatever is natural and that there are no guarantees, no matter how many tells there are, that another player is town/scum.
I think it would also be best if the basic roles were listed in a straightforward manner. Not everything under the sun, but the common ones like Villager/Cop/Doctor/x and Goon/Godfather/Roleblocker/x and then Serial Killer and other neutrals, just to give a quick point of reference as to what other people could be as well as yourself. I also think that Role PMs should probably include the basic role name in brackets next to the flavour text, even if this slightly breaks the illusion of the theme, just so people can Google and look up stuff. Obviously, the problem is that not everything will have easy analogies in some flavours, but I'm kind of clueless as to how to deal with that.
Sorry if this sounds a bit bossy! I look forward to playing with you guys in Season 3.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
PM a mod
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
PM a mod
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
OceanicAir
Member
Change of Heart would be cool. Slightly OP if used against mafia.
Having some way to have the pieces of Exodia get together for some autowin would be hilarious. Or you could have the Egyptian God Cards just be the mafia.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
If I were to do this, I would make the mafia the Rare Hunters. Center the whole thing around the Battle City arc, probably.
Hippiehobo, channeling his inner Dark Soul
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
OH YEAH, that's where that's from.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I've played Dark Souls through like 3 times and it still didn't hit me when I saw it. derp.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
On the subject of name changes, to LoC and anyone else keeping a player list, I just got mine changed as well.
Nothing too drastic, it used to be RatsOffToYa and now it's Rats Off To Ya.
Just in case that will cause any complications.
Nothing too drastic, it used to be RatsOffToYa and now it's Rats Off To Ya.
Just in case that will cause any complications.
Lord of Castamere
Member
International Secret Intelligence Service
OceanicAir
Member
I'm Supremely and Incredibly Suspicious
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
This is fair. The reason I left it at is is because there are quite a few roles that operate in the "Twilight" Phase - for example, the Governor can operate than, and so can the Hunter (they get to kill someone when they get lynched). Traditionally, these effects both happen after the lynch so it's important to allow for discussion.
I think a way around this to satisfy this community might be to explicitly work the Twilight Phase into their role description, rather than having a largely useless Twilight Phase in every game/day.
That's fair enough. Again, this probably comes from my background. I played most mafia games in a community where a Day Phase was two weeks long. People would start talking from the word go, and when conversation died down into a lull, we'd settle on a lynch. As such, days very rarely hit the deadline. However, while that's a useful skill to have, I guess expecting everyone to play this way is too much.
What I think I'll do on this one is leave phase length up to the moderator, both in terms of whether they keep 4/3 or some other format, and whether it gets slower/faster over time. What I will insist on is that the day lengthening/shortening are clearly established before the game begins, rather than done at a whim. I'll also insist on a minimum day phase and night phase length - probably 3 days and 1 day respectively.
Honestly, if the games are well designed, the theme doesn't matter. Hutt is just Star Wars-ese for mafia, and you know that right from the OT. I think Karkador and MattyG both did brilliant jobs at their themes, in terms of that you can just pick up and go with them. I have absolutely no Animal Crossing knowledge. Never played any of the games. I don't think it worried me. Honestly, on this particular subject I think you just have to trust your moderator and the ur-moderators to do a good job.
That's a very good suggestion, thanks.
It is slightly disconcerting, yes, but it's another reason we get all this right.
I agree completely. Mafia is a fantastic game, and in my opinion, much better like competitors like Resistance because fundamentally you can do anything you want with Mafia. It would be an absolute waste not to exploit that versatility.
However, I do understand people might have a preference for more normal/less normal games, so I think if you approached me again about your particular set-up, I'd have allowed people to choose between it and MattyG's "normal" one.
I'm very cautious about this because I thought a joint dead thread was absolutely fantastic in terms of keeping our community together.
I did, yes. Thank you!
That's a good idea. I'll write one.
I'm not sure I'll write up individual ones, it's a lot of effort when many of these roles will only loosely be used, but I'll probably include links to mafiascum's wiki so people can read at their own leisure.
Not at all, it's definitely useful and I look forwar to playing with you.
Ummm... my idea suggestion has two dead threads essentially. The Shadow Realm and the Graveyard.
Mafia and those targeted by Mafia go to the Shadow Realm. Those that get evicted that are townsfolk (not Mafia) go to the graveyard.
This is because there's an ability to bring back a dead player, but only from the graveyard. That's all I can say at this moment.
See above, yes Monster Reborn is there. The other two... I don't think so.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I feel like all my Yu-Gi-Oh jokes are going right over your head. Seath is a very serious dude now.
Matt Attack
Member
I agree completely. While I didn't have access to the dead thread until after both games had completed, I still got this feeling from seeing everybody post about it in the general thread, and I would hate to lose that.