Is it possible that it's 完走目指して頑張って (めざして
, maybe some regional accent?
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Is it possible that it's 完走目指して頑張って (めざして
, maybe some regional accent?
Aizo
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I ended up booting up developer mode on my phone and making my phone recognize changing the locale to Japan. That fixed it.
Inquisitive_Ghost
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Here's an unusual question:
Is there a phone application or something where I can check off the kanji I know and have it generate a list of words (with readings and definitions) that use only those kanji? I feel like such a thing would help me immensely with remembering the on- readings.
Is there a phone application or something where I can check off the kanji I know and have it generate a list of words (with readings and definitions) that use only those kanji? I feel like such a thing would help me immensely with remembering the on- readings.
bigmit3737
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Hey guys, can someone translate this part for me. I want to make sure I'm interpreting it correctly.
[しかし、ビール業界などから急に制度を変更することによる影響を懸念する声もあり、政府・与党は税率の差縮小の来年度からの実施は見送った上で、ある程度の期間を設けて税率を見直していく方針となりました]
Below is the whole article for context.
Thanks.
政府・与党は、年末にとりまとめる税制改正でビールなどにかかる酒税の税率の差を縮小することについて、来年度からの実施は見送る方針であることが分かりました。
　酒税を巡っては、これまで政府・与党は酒税が高いビールの税率を引き下げ、発泡酒や第三のビールの税率を引き上げることで差を縮小することを検討していました。
　しかし、ビール業界などから急に制度を変更することによる影響を懸念する声もあり、政府・与党は税率の差縮小の来年度からの実施は見送った上で、ある程度の期間を設けて税率を見直していく方針となりました。
　一方、税制改正でもう一つの焦点となっている法人税の実効税率の引き下げ幅は２％台で調整していて、さらに、それに伴う代わりの財源確保の策を検討し、３０日にとりまとめる税制大綱に盛り込む方針です。（16日20:49）
[しかし、ビール業界などから急に制度を変更することによる影響を懸念する声もあり、政府・与党は税率の差縮小の来年度からの実施は見送った上で、ある程度の期間を設けて税率を見直していく方針となりました]
Below is the whole article for context.
Thanks.
政府・与党は、年末にとりまとめる税制改正でビールなどにかかる酒税の税率の差を縮小することについて、来年度からの実施は見送る方針であることが分かりました。
　酒税を巡っては、これまで政府・与党は酒税が高いビールの税率を引き下げ、発泡酒や第三のビールの税率を引き上げることで差を縮小することを検討していました。
　しかし、ビール業界などから急に制度を変更することによる影響を懸念する声もあり、政府・与党は税率の差縮小の来年度からの実施は見送った上で、ある程度の期間を設けて税率を見直していく方針となりました。
　一方、税制改正でもう一つの焦点となっている法人税の実効税率の引き下げ幅は２％台で調整していて、さらに、それに伴う代わりの財源確保の策を検討し、３０日にとりまとめる税制大綱に盛り込む方針です。（16日20:49）
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Without doing a proper translation, here's the gist of it:
Starting next year, the government/ruling party had planned to implement changes to the tax rate that would reduce the gap that currently exists between beer, and "happoshu" and other "beer-like" products. However, there were concerns from the beer industry over the effects of such a sudden change, so the plan has been postponed. They plan to revisit the tax rate over a certain period of time.
KidA Seven
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zKanji has that, but not sure if there is an app for that.
Damn...been learning Japanese for about 9 months now (+3 years straight about 6 years ago..), and I thought this thread was dead! Surprised to see a huge community here.
Hope to become a part of it, if it's not too much I might come here for questions, and maybe even answer some of the easier ones!
Hope to become a part of it, if it's not too much I might come here for questions, and maybe even answer some of the easier ones!
bigmit3737
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Thanks , I had some questions but I'm sick right now so hopefully I can feel a little better within a few days .
beanman25
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Have any of you bought JPplayer? I'm trying it for a month, and will post the channel guide here later as I'm not totally sure what each channel is. I love watching though and knowing when a couple words or sentences I know are said. So rewarding.
Also guys. Assuming I practice a hour or 2 every day.. What would be a reasonable time to be in jlpt 5 territory? Maybe a year?
Right now I'm practicing kanji and know maybe 50 or so words.
Also guys. Assuming I practice a hour or 2 every day.. What would be a reasonable time to be in jlpt 5 territory? Maybe a year?
Right now I'm practicing kanji and know maybe 50 or so words.
JLPT 5 should be possible after less than 6 months with an hour or two a day I think.
I honestly recommend going straight for 4. I think it covers all elementary Japanese, and feels like quite the accomplishment.
Valkerionseven
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Haha its like a completely random category of videos I found on youtube/nico the other day. But yeah thats basically the conclusion I came up with as well. Stuff like having a crazy awesome $10,000+ theater setup in a small ass bedroom and what not. Was curious if there was more too it.
beanman25
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I think I can shoot for that. Especially since I've essentially got a years worth of time as it's in December, correct?
My sister started self teaching, but passed my progress in a mere week. She knows like 4 languages already though, so she has tactics down to a science. She told me to think of it as a fun competition with her so I suppose I have more drive to learn now than ever.
I remember thinking the N4 was a very hard test for which I was not prepared when I wrote it. Not that I disagree with going straight to N4, mind you -- I don't know anyone who took N5 who felt particularly great about it afterwards -- but that it's a big step up from N5.
Here is a tip some people might find useful. I posted a pen pal ad on japan-guide.com and got about 20 responses, so now I'm chatting with a bunch of native speakers on Line every day and it's being a huge help to my learning.
New Year's resolution time!
-finish Tobira (~50% done)
-finish Core 10k (currently up to 6k)
-finish WhiteRabbit's Graded Reader Series (up to lvl 3. vol 2)
-finally read some native material for fuck's sake
These past few months have been rough, as I have very little time to study these days compared to when I started. Keeping up my usual pace, I think I could do the above in 6 months or so, so I have some wiggle room if things really get crazy.
-finish Tobira (~50% done)
-finish Core 10k (currently up to 6k)
-finish WhiteRabbit's Graded Reader Series (up to lvl 3. vol 2)
-finally read some native material for fuck's sake
These past few months have been rough, as I have very little time to study these days compared to when I started. Keeping up my usual pace, I think I could do the above in 6 months or so, so I have some wiggle room if things really get crazy.
CountBlack
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Really want to get back into learning Japanese.. ever since I started working fulltime mornings, I've been neglecting working on it.
and the fact that I got way to ahead of myself in the Human Japanese intermediate app.
Can you guys recommend me other really good apps on iOS for learning the grammar/kanji?
and the fact that I got way to ahead of myself in the Human Japanese intermediate app.
Can you guys recommend me other really good apps on iOS for learning the grammar/kanji?
I use Kanjibox a lot. It has a sizeable vocab database and a *small* amount of grammar these days too. Mostly just for vocab drills on the go recently.
I'm also really happy with Anki on iOS after finally dropping the cash for it.
Is there a good ios app or website to start with self study? I'd like to try a bit to see how far i can get but don't want to have to use physical books.
Something like chinesepod would be great but I don't know if such a thing exists.
I was going to try that podcast in the op but the link seems dead (it asks for a password or something)
Something like chinesepod would be great but I don't know if such a thing exists.
I was going to try that podcast in the op but the link seems dead (it asks for a password or something)
I find this website is good for grammar and is a good place to start. http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
I use an app called midori for a dictionary and flash cards, it is very good.
Thanks, I'll check out the app for that site and try midori.
Has anyone tried japanesepod101? I always though those sites were a bootleg of chinesepod but in a lot more languages but it seems like it might be legit? It sure looks like a scam from the sign up pages but apparently it's not...
I'm an expert
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Japanesepod started like 10 years ago.. I remember it being very popular among beginners back then. I have no personal experience with it but its definitely not a scam.. Or wasn't back then at least.
Yeah their marketing makes it seem like a scam but it's not, they have tons of podcasts and resources. I subbed for a while but in the end I think there's enough free resources out there that make it unnecessary to pay for a service like that.
BlazingDarkness
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It's not a scam but they do send about 5 emails a day, which can get annoying.
I have an oral exam on the 14th (Jan) in which I need to write and memorize a speech about Waseda University (where I will study from next September) plus I have a Japanese exam on the 20th. I need to revise (read; learn) chapters 1 through 7 of Tobira for it. Doable, but I also have an exam on Japanese comedy on the 21st which I need to revise for. In for a few busy weeks
On the subject of Tobira, for those who've used it before, how do you tackle each chapter? I find it a whole different beast compared to stuff like Genki (in terms of content), do you learn the vocab first, then the kanji, then do the readings (text), or what? I find the balance quite difficult, the sheer amount of new vocab/kanji is difficult for me to remember out of context, but then I can't read the texts without knowing them (and the grammar) first.
I'm only through the first 6 chapters, but I usually do grammar -> vocab -> readings -> exercises for each chapter.　Make flashcards for grammar and unknown words. I know about 90% of the vocab and have seen most of the grammar before in other places. I don't make an effort to explicitly study the kanji on their own as they list it out, I go by their usage in vocab alone. I run into non-常用 pretty rarely at this stage, not enough to make a concerted effort to memorize them yet. I haven't kept up with the online materials, but I think I will in a second pass through the book. It looks like there is a ton of stuff out there for it.
My initial shock coming into Tobira was how little English was in it compared to other books. After getting used to it I though, I really like the book.
BlazingDarkness
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Thanks, it's good to hear somebody else's approach to Tobira
I think my biggest problem is the amount of kanji there is, especially considering that I'm expected to learn to read and write all per chapter (including those that are labeled read only!) which means I need to learn 60+ compounds a week. My brain is getting a good workout from it, to say the least.I'm going to try Lang-8 first, but I'll give this a shot soon as well! Thanks!
CountBlack
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Alright, so as a Christmas gift from my work I got a $100 Visa giftcard.
Looking to order some books off of Amazon for various subjects.
Could you guys give me some good recommendations? Here's the ones I've looked up so far.
GENKI I: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese [With CDROM]
- My computer doesn't have a CD-Rom drive though lol
Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese Workbook I
Remembering the Kanji, Volume 1: A Complete Course on How Not to Forget the Meaning and Writing of Japanese Characters
Making Sense Of Japanese: What the Textbooks Don't Tell You
All About Particles: A Handbook of Japanese Function Words
Japanese Kanji Flashcards: 300 Beginner-Level Kanji Cards
I should note that I have all the hiragana/katakana down. Really mediocre grammar/vocab/kanji etc.
Should I still get the Genki 1 textbook even though I have the basics down?
Also, I've went through the OP and noticed the Heisig book has been updated as well.
Thanks.
Looking to order some books off of Amazon for various subjects.
Could you guys give me some good recommendations? Here's the ones I've looked up so far.
GENKI I: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese [With CDROM]
- My computer doesn't have a CD-Rom drive though lol
Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese Workbook I
Remembering the Kanji, Volume 1: A Complete Course on How Not to Forget the Meaning and Writing of Japanese Characters
Making Sense Of Japanese: What the Textbooks Don't Tell You
All About Particles: A Handbook of Japanese Function Words
Japanese Kanji Flashcards: 300 Beginner-Level Kanji Cards
I should note that I have all the hiragana/katakana down. Really mediocre grammar/vocab/kanji etc.
Should I still get the Genki 1 textbook even though I have the basics down?
Also, I've went through the OP and noticed the Heisig book has been updated as well.
Thanks.
BlazingDarkness
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Yeah I'd recommend the GENKI I and GENKI II text books
I used those in my first year of university, they're comprehensive without being too over-bearing.
If you're going with RTk you don't need Japanese Kanji Flashcards: 300 Beginner-Level Kanji Cards.
Also, I would look into "A Dictionary of {Basic | Intermediate} Japanese Grammar"
CountBlack
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Yeah, I wouldn't get the flashcards. They are likely to have a different order/index and Heisig likes to use unusual definitions for some Kanji to make them easier to distinguish from each other. 300 Kanji is also only a few weeks time in RTK, and at the price they are going for the full 2k would be very expensive, if they even make them. I used this website to track my RTK learning: http://kanji.koohii.com/
It's not official but basically made for the books, and is free. Anki does the same thing, though you don't have the community stories like on koohii, which were a big help to me.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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One chapter a sitting worked for me.
I find study like exercise, as long as you keep it up, go as slow as you want. Nothing worse than blowing through some chapters followed by months of forgetting it.
Are there some recommended practice / reference material for the JLPT N3 level?
I tried to pass the old Level 2 a few years ago (twice), and failed with like 59%. If I'm going to pass I'd like to aim for 80%+ so I'm trying to get some material to gauge whether I should do the N3 first or if I'm close on the N2. I'm guessing I'm not close though haha
I tried to pass the old Level 2 a few years ago (twice), and failed with like 59%. If I'm going to pass I'd like to aim for 80%+ so I'm trying to get some material to gauge whether I should do the N3 first or if I'm close on the N2. I'm guessing I'm not close though haha
Sample Questions (short online quiz):
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/forlearners.html
Practice Workbook (mock test):
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample12.html
Older Sample Questions:
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample09.html
I'm visiting a college soon and attempting to test out of Elementary I and II Japanese while I'm there. Those classes only cover what's in Genki I. I have a deck with almost every example from the book in Anki, plus I also learned the kanji for all of the vocabulary (although I'm assuming the test will just be in kana).
Anyone know if there's something that might throw me off? The teacher said it's basically the same thing as the final she gives.
Anyone know if there's something that might throw me off? The teacher said it's basically the same thing as the final she gives.
AzureSkies
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I'm currently learning Hiragana with 'Japanese Hiragana and Katakana for beginners', it's currently going pretty well!
I have a quick question though, does anyone have any suggestions for flashcard apps for hiragana and katakana on Android?
I have a quick question though, does anyone have any suggestions for flashcard apps for hiragana and katakana on Android?
Genki and Minna no Nihongo are generally agreed to be the best textbooks out there.
My only critique with Genki is that it doesn't really teach or give many examples of longer, multi-clause sentences, and most of the readings in each chapter are short, quick dialogs between people. It's not until the end of Genki II that they start giving you letters or whole paragraphs to read, and even then it's not much. This made the jump to the intermediate books that had longer passages and more complex sentences more difficult to me.
That, and the whole Takeshi/Marie thing never goes anywhere.
I don't have any experience with other books at that level (Minna no Nihongo is another I hear about a lot) so I don't know if others do this better. I went through Genki because that's what my school chose to run with.
DeliciousDoc
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I haven't used those books and the people who I knew were using those books were people who had lived in Japan for over 10 years without learning Japanese so I don't have a good impression of them. I have an impression they go way too slow.
My first exposure to Japanese study was from [Learning Japanese through Manga] and a website I used to pay 15 dollars a month for but barely used. I could barely use Japanese after those.
When I got serious (after getting rivals), I used Japanese books with explanations and examples in Japanese and a English/Chinese/Korean translation of word or sentence
fragments included. If I knew Chinese or Korean, those books would have helped a lot more but my other language is French. That only helped me out when learning how to pronounce Japanese syllables
I started out using books at 3級 (which is now equivalent to N4) and I found the アスク (ask) books to pretty good. Each theme has a picture with labels for vocabulary, the kanji book had a supplement explaining the origins of the kanji and the grammar book was pretty good.
I didn't like the ２級 (covered what is in N3 and N2) books so much because they had to cram so much information into the book and it was overwhelming. I found reading stuff online, in games (with an electronic dictionary or rikaichan) and talking to other people in Japanese more useful for that level.
Having just taken the JPLT again this December, let me warn you that practice tests are a lot easier than the actual test. The practice tests will use words and language you will frequently encounter whereas the actual test seems to be hell bent on testing you on less used expressions and words.
flatearthpandas
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Been doing SRS for about a month now and I'm pretty happy. Vocab is increasing steadily. I can't really speak to effectiveness until I can start functioning in some capacity, but I can actually see that time drawing closer every day.
Now, I just need some realistic goals. It seems like right now, the best thing is to just set vocab number goals, but those aren't super inspiring. Really, I'm looking at things more like: 2000 kanji by x date, followed by able to read this 1st grade book by x date, followed by 5000 kanji by x date, followed by able to watch a show raw and understand everything, followed by able to read a light novel, followed by able to read literature.
Order might not be correct, but even if it was, it's not an encouraging set of goals. It's like six months, eight months, two years, ???, ???, ???
What are some smaller goals that others are measuring themselves with? For beginners, there is always learning the syllabaries or finishing chapters of a text book. That seems great for motivation. What are people doing after?
Now, I just need some realistic goals. It seems like right now, the best thing is to just set vocab number goals, but those aren't super inspiring. Really, I'm looking at things more like: 2000 kanji by x date, followed by able to read this 1st grade book by x date, followed by 5000 kanji by x date, followed by able to watch a show raw and understand everything, followed by able to read a light novel, followed by able to read literature.
Order might not be correct, but even if it was, it's not an encouraging set of goals. It's like six months, eight months, two years, ???, ???, ???
What are some smaller goals that others are measuring themselves with? For beginners, there is always learning the syllabaries or finishing chapters of a text book. That seems great for motivation. What are people doing after?
I haven't used those books and the people who I knew where using those books were people who had lived in Japan for over 10 years without learning Japanese so I don't have a good impression of them. I have an impression they go way too slow.
My first exposure to Japanese study was from [Learning Japanese through Manga] and a website I used to pay 15 dollars a month for but barely used. I could barely use Japanese after those.
When I got serious (after getting rivals), I used Japanese books with explanations and examples in Japanese and a English/Chinese/Korean translation of word or sentence fragments included. If I knew Chinese or Korean, those books would have helped a lot more but my other language is French. That only helped me out when learning how to pronounce Japanese syllables
I started out using books at 3級 (which is now equivalent to N4) and I found the アスク (ask) books to pretty good. Each theme has a picture with labels for vocabulary, the kanji book had a supplement explaining the origins of the kanji and the grammar book was pretty good.
I didn't like the ２級 (covered what is in N3 and N2) books so much because they had to cram so much information into the book and it was overwhelming. I found reading stuff online, in games (with an electronic dictionary or rikaichan) and talking to other people in Japanese more useful for that level.
Having just taken the JPLT again this December, let me warn you that practice tests are a lot easier than the actual test. The practice tests will use words and language you will frequently encounter whereas the actual test seems to be hell bent on testing you on less used expressions and words.
Well I was just going on what I've seen most people say. I never used them myself and learned pretty much everything online on my own, starting with Tae Kim's guide and working my way up to 庭三郎の現代日本語文法概説 (which I recommend to everyone at an advanced level).
holy shit lol I thought me and my friends were the only ones complaining about the plot of genki
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I think that heavily depends on the year, and of course, your own personal experience with the language.
My only reason for saying that is that I found the actual test to be easier than the practice material I used to study for it. I've only taken the JLPT once, though, and that was back in 2005.
Sorry if it's been asked already but I'm going to start learning Japanese seriously and was looking at taking a course this year. Before I pull the trigger on it, is taking a course a good idea or is it better to self teach myself and then take the test for the qualification?
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