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The Binding of Isaac 3DS REJECTED [Up: Now looking into Sony Platforms]
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Crap posts like these are offensive to god too.
There is a difference between shovelware and a game that would get an AO rating.
SCEA won't jump on it because a) they require you to censor your games down, unlike modern Nintendo as stated numerous times in the thread and b) their anti-2D policy.
I'm actually curious about more recent examples than BMX XXX (since clearly they decided "fuck it, nevermind" with God of War) for censorship, and 2D... it's been clearly established they do not give a fuck about it for DD, even retail it seems a matter of the publisher and the game involved. Not that I can't see them taking a similar stance as Nintendo, but at the very least the second point is, for this specific game, completely irrelevant.
ThatObviousUser
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I also think it's easier for a Japanese developer to get away with this sort of thing. There are limits, but NCL probably doesn't care as much and if it's already released in Japan the developer probably has more cache to release it elsewhere.
To make the point, the creator of Evangelion had no idea what any of the Christian symbolism meant but put it in because it "looked cool." Asked if about it, he said he would probably reconsider putting it in if he knew Eva was going to be released in the West.
The thing about the JRPGs like Devil Survivor is that it's too subtle. Yes, there's demons and an evil God, but it's only when you look beneath the surface that you see stuff that could piss people off. Nobody is going to really dig that much through the game to complain about vague references to Christianity being evil.
Binding of Isaac will blatantly piss off an enormous amount of Christians within its first 5 seconds.
Binding of Isaac will blatantly piss off an enormous amount of Christians within its first 5 seconds.
ThatObviousUser
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They'd slam it quicker than Nintendo.
Or rather, I doubt Team Meat would ever go to them after the apparent brouhaha over Super Meat Boy.
The supposed issues with Sony were dispelled by Edmund on twitter. That said, Sony nor MS will want any part of this game on their system.
ShironRedshift
Member
They have no beef with Sony. Team Meat pitched Super Meat Boy to Sony, they never heard back from them, so they went to Microsoft instead. That's pretty much the extent of their interactions.
Seems like now that Nintendo has said no it would be a great opportunity for Sony to jump on regardless of prior issues...
charlequin
Banned
To be a kiss of death, as a tool of soft industry self-censorship. That's literally the reason it exists.
If we just had one rating, M (or R for movies), all adult content from risque and suggestive themes through graphic violence on to hardcore pornography would fall in the same category; people old enough to see adult-rated movies would have to choose for themselves what was acceptable.
If we got rid of AO/NC-17 and had a 15 rating in the middle somewhere, you could put all "soft R" content there and leave R/M for both the "hard R" content of today and everything more explicit, making it clear that movies/games in this category really aren't for kids but still preserving them for adult viewership.
Instead, both the film and game industries chose the current system as a sop to censorship interests: they purposely make the topmost category contain nothing but pornography and whatever other hazily-defined "extreme" content they feel needs to be excluded, then everyone in the industry comes together and agrees never to support it financially (showing it in theaters, selling it at stores, etc.)
linko9
Member
What? You want to see Nintendo making games filled with feces and blood and abortion-coat-hangers? Or are you referring to the fact that they won't make a Zelda 1-like game?
Anyway, obviously Nintendo is not stopping anyone from making Zelda-like games, and if you're referring to the shit and blood, etc., obviously that would not fly on any console.
Because Wal Mart won't carry AO titles.
ThatObviousUser
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Um the game's already made.
Just so you know. Like, you can buy it right now. Have you?
"Let others make it?"
The game's already made and on Steam; the only issues are because of the content and topics for a 3DS eShop release; and if they were to get a rating for retail, the ESRB would throw an AO rating unless they censor the hell out of it. And none of the 3 main console/handheld manufacturers allow for AO rated games.
Now, maybe Microsoft and /or Sony could say "fuck it" and allow it on their digital services through a third-party. But until they do, they are "as guilty" as Nintendo.
Criminal Upper
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wow
I'm pretty sure no store on the planet would want to carry AO titles. It's basically the gaming equivalent of carrying porn.
No, it just seems very plausible. Given God of War it's not far fetched that it'd get away with an M, though the religious themes may make them push it over even if technically it shouldn't and, objectively, there are worse games already out there.
charlequin
Banned
If you read the content descriptors on the ESRB site, just about the only ones that don't apply to BoI are about "real [or] simulated gambling," lulz.
There's sexual violence in this game? Makeshift abortions? Rampant vaginas?
If it had that big of a chance of getting rated AO, I can certainly understand why nintendo wouldn't approve it.
What is this, 1992?
Countless murder simulators... no problem.
Binding of Isaac... oh no we can't have that.
I'm not exactly a fan of how broadly defined the M rating has been myself; you have fairly innocuous titles like Halo that really aren't any more violent than your typical PG-13 film, and yet they have the same rating as something like Gears of War 3, which literally has you tearing arms off of enemies and beating them to death with them.
I think that the BBFC and PEGI have the right idea with having a 16+ and an 18+ category to separate titles like that.
That's like saying they show a little skin on a TV show, they might as well show snuff films. I like Binding, but honestly it's lucky Valve approved it for their service. No console maker is going to let it anywhere near their service.
Binding is worse than Postal 3 easy. Postal 3 is just lazy instead of disturbing, and it's not on any console as far as I know. It also took a long time to get on the US Steam. I know nothing about Naughty Bear.
EatinOlives
Member
There was a bit fuss about Manhunt 2 being on Wii and getting an AO rating and it didn't seem to bother Nintendo. It only seemed to be censored because Rockstar wasn't going to be able to sell the game at all.
Naughty Bear is rated T. I can't begin to imagine why you'd bring that up around this game.
Was about to say that. Unless there's an obscure uncensored version, it was rated T and released on both PS3 and 360.. twice (since after the original release, an edition with some DLC was released).
Didn't teammeat say they refuse to censor their game?
-No one is debating these points because they are obvious and not the issue at all.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
If Binding of Isaac gets released on any console I'll stop posting on GAF for a month, if it's the Vita, three months.
I was going to post "eat my hat" but I don't have any hats to eat. Not because I've eaten them before now due to other bets, but just because I'm not a hat person.
Well well well... Start packing soon! :lol
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/29/team-meat-looking-to-sony-platforms-for-binding-of-isaac/
TheExplodingHead
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Problem with the AO rating (unlike in film) is that there's no productions worth a damn or have any talent behind them that utilize it. Therefore we continue to see a industry defined by (when it comes to graphic subject matter) juvenile and cheesy content at best, and I include Isaac in this group.
We need a dev of proper funding and talent totally okay with large estimated losses and huge media backfire to come out with the "Salo", "Martyrs" or "Philosophy of a Knife" of gaming. I'd bet you could make something intensely disturbing and shocking if interactivity and gameplay were infused well enough. Give Miike or Andrey Iskanov a 80 mil budget and total freedom on the Wii U, and we'd get something we've never seen before...literally.
Anyway, extremely lame of Nintendo to encourage this irrelevant censorship on dev's. All it does is hurt the development community, 3DS market and fans.
We need a dev of proper funding and talent totally okay with large estimated losses and huge media backfire to come out with the "Salo", "Martyrs" or "Philosophy of a Knife" of gaming. I'd bet you could make something intensely disturbing and shocking if interactivity and gameplay were infused well enough. Give Miike or Andrey Iskanov a 80 mil budget and total freedom on the Wii U, and we'd get something we've never seen before...literally.
Anyway, extremely lame of Nintendo to encourage this irrelevant censorship on dev's. All it does is hurt the development community, 3DS market and fans.
CadetMahoney
Member
No Dead Space on Wii-u as retaliation.
"looking into"
What a crock of shit. Oh well, it's their loss. TBOI was probably in my top 5 of last year, it was really, really good fun and the setting was just so twisted, it was great.
Why would you put Martyrs in the same list as Salo and POAK? Martyrs is a really good horror film while the other two are just ridiculous torture/shock value "movies".
Plus I don't think we really need games like that. If you want torture games there's some on the interwebz.
Why would you put Martyrs in the same list as Salo and POAK? Martyrs is a really good horror film while the other two are just ridiculous torture/shock value "movies".
Plus I don't think we really need games like that. If you want torture games there's some on the interwebz.
Your description of Salo makes Dave a sad panda. It's a little more nuanced than that.
Man, I know what you mean, I've spoken to people about this before. I just didn't see why it had to be made. It didn't really achieve anything, at least for me.
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/06/where-is-my-heart-oh-its-on-playstation-minis/
Sure is anti-2D in here
Wtf does that even mean?
Not surprising. BoI is the kind of game that doesn't work well with the console environment. It's too small to be worth the hassle of dealing with religious groups (it wasn't worth even for bigger games, like Little Big Planet). That's the beauty of PC: we can have Isaac, we can have Rapelay, we can have whatever the fuck we want. That's the beauty of free speech (and I'm not being sarcastic).
TheExplodingHead
Banned
It was actually intentional. I was trying to list off three basic examples of a horror/shock cinema done in very different ways. Salo was just a brilliantly directed but very subtle, almost ambient violent and shocking film, very little gore or anything like that. Martyrs was was very modern-type horror movie with lots of gore but a very interesting story and twist. And yes, Philosophy was a balls out shockumentary done in the style of things like Cannibal Holocaust and Men Behind the Sun. So three very different examples of how if in "videogame form" would garner a AO rating.
And it's not that I personally would just go out and buy up anything like this, it would have to be a great game for me to approve. But I do think we lose a niche talent pool when we create a market/dev environment where it's inferred that this type of content is neither wanted nor commercially viable, which the film/literature industry prove dead wrong. And console makers supporting it full force helps no one, all it does is feed the illusion that games have to veer to a certain age and style demographic or nothing...