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The end of your AA woes! MLAA coming to AMD drivers
- Thread starter brain_stew
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Unfortunately it is useless to me as it does not seem to work with DX10 or DX11 (I did not realize this).brain_stew said:
You can easily tell if it is engaged if you enable FRAPS. The FRAPS counter is impacted by the MLAA and becomes slightly softer around the edges. It definitely does not work with Crysis when in DX10 mode.
metareferential
Member
Kinda OT and maybe already discussed: is MLAA ever going to be feasible on the 360?
The fact that no one ever tried it might suggest that the answer is obviously negative; however I'd greatly appreciate an explanation from one of you tech-savvy gafer.
The fact that no one ever tried it might suggest that the answer is obviously negative; however I'd greatly appreciate an explanation from one of you tech-savvy gafer.
I think there's too much confusion on what games actually support MLAA and games that dont. Then on top of that...there's no true way of taking screenshots that dont add any extra blurring/other side effects. I think we need to wait for the official sites to provide comparison screens.
I'm seeing games like Crysis being posted with MLAA "applied". I dont even think MLAA works in Crysis from what I've tried (havent tried it with dx9 though). MLAA works but there's a lot of variables to consider right now. This is a really early implementation so for the ppl that are writting it off, I'd way until Catalyst 10.12 when it's officially released.
I'm seeing games like Crysis being posted with MLAA "applied". I dont even think MLAA works in Crysis from what I've tried (havent tried it with dx9 though). MLAA works but there's a lot of variables to consider right now. This is a really early implementation so for the ppl that are writting it off, I'd way until Catalyst 10.12 when it's officially released.
metareferential said:
Yes it's possible, and has been tried:
http://www.iryokufx.com/mlaa/
Although, we should probably note that technically MLAA implementations may differ. There is no such thing as one 'MLAA' technique. For example, someone asked earlier if running screenshots through Intel's software would let you see what games would look like with AMD's implementation...whilst in the large it would be quite similar, I'm sure, technically it's not exactly the same.
Stupid question, but do I need to update to 10.10 before installing the 10.10a hotfix? I´m on 10.9 and neither steam nor the AMD homepage gave any results when I searched them for catalyst 10.10 :/ With 135 mb the hotfix file is pretty big, though, so I guess it could include 10.10? It´s still downloading (veeeeeery slowly), so I can´t tell and I don´t want to screw my drivers up by doing things in the wrong order, so I thought I´d ask.
Sad that Crysis (DX10) doesn´t work with it, then again it´s not official, so I´m glad for anything we get out of this.
Sad that Crysis (DX10) doesn´t work with it, then again it´s not official, so I´m glad for anything we get out of this.
metareferential
Member
gofreak said:
Thank you, that is very interesting. Let's hope will see more implementation, games that took advantage of it on ps3 (although it's a different kind of implementation, on the cpu) had huge improvements over competitors not using it on the same hardware.
I verified if anything was running by using the console. Unless I did something wrong or the console isn't working correctly here are some Crysis results. Edge detect was disabled by using autoexec file
No MLAA No Edge No MSSA
No MLAA Yes Edge No MSAA
Yes MLAA No Edge No MSAA
No MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA
Yes MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA
No MLAA No Edge No MSSA
No MLAA Yes Edge No MSAA
Yes MLAA No Edge No MSAA
No MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA
Yes MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA
RockmanWhore
Member
What's the interst of combining both MLAA and MSAA? Isn't MSAA suposed to clean the edges already? The only difference to me is that putting MLAA on top of that makes the image blurrier. What am I missing?
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Might just be me but I think MLAA wins out there. What were your fps rates like on those JADS?
LabouredSubterfuge said:
No MLAA No Edge No MSAA - 69
No MLAA Yes Edge No MSAA - 67
Yes MLAA No Edge No MSAA - 63
No MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA - 43
Edit:
The performance hit is much larger in 1080P
No MLAA No Edge No MSAA - 55
Yes MLAA No Edge No MSAA - 40
No MLAA No Edge 4x MSAA - 30
Edit 2: Overclocking my 5850 (865 Core, 1210 Memory) seems to help on the MLAA option. I gain around 10 frames.
MLAA is definitely working in that shot you took. You can also see a little bit of distortion in the Weapon/ammo hud text. It's kinda neato that we got it working, but we have to be realistic here. We only just hacked the feature in for 5xxx. Has anyone with a 6xxx actually tried the 10.10hotfix on the amount of games tested here? It will be interesting if it works in DX10/11 games for those cards.
metareferential said:
LucasArts implemented a custom AA technique called "DLAA" on The Force Unleashed:
With DLAA
Without AA
It blurs the image too much for my liking compared to MLAA on the PS3, but it's something.
The difference here is that Sony themselves developed a custom AA solution and has offered it to ever PS3 developer out there. Microsoft would have to do something similar...
metareferential
Member
jett said:LucasArts implemented a custom AA technique called "DLAA" on The Force Unleashed:
With DLAA
Without AA
It blurs the image too much for my liking compared to MLAA on the PS3, but it's something.
Yes, TFU2 has some pretty image quality, the blur is noticeable yet forgettable given the results.
Custom solutions are becoming more and more popular even on the 360 (Halo Reach, as an example).
I don't think it's intentional. It's just that since DX9 games are using only a subset of the graphics features, the driver can introduce the MLAA into the post-render without risks of breaking the game in some strange way. DX10 and 11 renderers, being more flexible, have higher chances of causing incompatibilities and probably need testing. Also, since they can use more of the hardware, the performance hit might be greater.brain_stew said:
Just tried this out with a few games, I have the pretty crappy 5670 so yeah. Also it was done at 1080p and I didn't run fraps, I'll do that later to give an accurate number.
Tried it in both Unreal Tournament 2004 and Unreal Tournament 3. In 2004 it worked really well, ran at a rock solid 60fps with nice looking edges. 3 took a nosedive in the fps, normally I have it running at max settings at roughly 40-60 fps; with MLAA it was pretty choppy below 30's.
Tried with Counter-Strike and CS:S; CS was great again, nice to play that game with AA CS:S actually took a massive hit, normally running 60+fps the counter was saying it was sticking at around 30fps. I thought that was pretty odd but I'm no genius. :lol
Tried it in both Unreal Tournament 2004 and Unreal Tournament 3. In 2004 it worked really well, ran at a rock solid 60fps with nice looking edges. 3 took a nosedive in the fps, normally I have it running at max settings at roughly 40-60 fps; with MLAA it was pretty choppy below 30's.
Tried with Counter-Strike and CS:S; CS was great again, nice to play that game with AA
CS:S actually took a massive hit, normally running 60+fps the counter was saying it was sticking at around 30fps. I thought that was pretty odd but I'm no genius. :lolbrochiller
Member
I could use a little help here. I have a Mobility 5730 in my laptop and I've installed the driver and hotfix for 5XXX series and restarted my computer, but I'm still not getting an option for MLAA in the CCC. Is there something else I have to do?
Wow amazing results, honestly the MLAA shot is among the best I've seen of Conan.derFeef said:Age of Conan let´s you take one MLAA screenshot with printscreen.
Here is a comparison. Please ignore the textureresolution, the engine resets all textures after alt-tabbing and they have not loaded properly on the no MLAA shot. Clicky for highres.
MLAA
no MLAA
I thought the mobility drivers were unique. Either that, or there could be residual from regular 10.10 that is carrying over. Might need to use DriverSweep in between uninstalling and reinstalling.brochiller said:
Once official, this feature is going to be awesome on my bros new laptop w/mobility 5650. He probably never thought he'd be able to use AA at usable framerates.
plagiarize
Banned
tomb raider underworld looks really good with this too. games with lots of foliage seem to benefit a lot so far.
it's giving me power headaches though. hopefully that's just an issue with the hacked driver. i'm going to try a clean application of the hotfix before i give up on it, for now. i can't have my mobo giving me really loud error beeps whenever i try and play a game.
it's giving me power headaches though. hopefully that's just an issue with the hacked driver. i'm going to try a clean application of the hotfix before i give up on it, for now. i can't have my mobo giving me really loud error beeps whenever i try and play a game.
brochiller
Member
pestul said:
Yeah you're right, that hotfix probably doesn't work with the mobility cards. Oh well, hopefully support for the 5XXX series cards will be included in the next official update.
Anton Sugar
Member
So, I'm playing Vindictus, and it's obviously working because the UI is a little "blurred" and there is AA, but it's not mind blowing. Are there any other settings I should have enabled/disabled in CCC, other than checking the MLAA box?
plagiarize
Banned
well see, the thing about MLAA is that it's very 'cheap' and that it works rather well on all edges (alpha transparency stuff included). so if you have a game whether AA either doesn't work, or is very expensive (like forcing it on in UT3 engine games) this gives you a big performance boost.Mr. Snrub said:
if you could already afford MSAA+TAA or SSAA in a particular game then you won't really be wanting to use this, but if it had an ugly custom solution, or performance wasn't there with MSAA this will give you a good performance boost.
it works better in some games than others, and looks better in some rather than others.
plagiarize
Banned
hopefully. maybe then certain games won't cause my pc to start giving out Power error beeps.brochiller said:
brain_stew
Member
dark10x said:
That's only a bug/limit of the current implementation though, AMD have already commited to supporting to DX10 and DX11 games so it will come in time.
brain_stew
Member
RockmanWhore said:
Neither technique covers all edges in a scene. MSAA is great at mitigating sub pixel aliasing (e.g. thin geometry like power cables) but does nothing for alpha based aliasing. When MLAA woks properly on an edge it can provide quality similar to 8-16xmsaa but it does nothing for sub-pixel aliasing and can cause issues in motion. Combining the techniques can potentially deal with the vast majority of aliasing in a scene and adding MSAA ontop of MLAA does not introduce any more blue on top of what the MLAA has already introduced.
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Great Crysis shots. MLAA looks better than 4xmsaa there and a nice step up above edgeAA, it seems really well suited to it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Metalmurphy said:
Anyone?
Since no one answered, I'll ask again. (Though it wasn't really a question!)
Will they be able to perfect it enough so that the blur caused on huds and menus isn't as noticable while still keeping the advantages of smoothed out edges?
Still very impressive stuff
Will they be able to perfect it enough so that the blur caused on huds and menus isn't as noticable while still keeping the advantages of smoothed out edges?
Still very impressive stuff
Karak said:I give up
Windows 7 32bit
ATI 5850
Damn!
I'm in the same boat! Hopefully the official implementation will work.