GrandHarrier said:By that logic, Deus Ex: HR should never have happened after the abomination that was Invisible War. And, realistically, HR is sort of a let down compared to even the first Deus Ex. It looks prettier but has, in many ways, way less options.
Derrick01 said:Nah DA2 was worse than Invisible War. IW just hurt more because it came after one of the best games ever.
Yeah IW (and even Project: Snowblind) werent awful games.. they just are nothing compared to the genius of Deus Ex. It would be as if DA2 was the sequel to BG2 instead of DA:O. The difference in outrage would sure be something.Derrick01 said:Nah DA2 was worse than Invisible War. IW just hurt more because it came after one of the best games ever.
Don said:I don't really see how they would handle The Warden and Hawke meeting up, unless it is something that happens off screen. Are they going to voice The Warden or would it be something similar to Claude showing up in San Andreas.
Also one other thing. I hope that if they have any more characters from origins showing up in the future that they find a way to make them not look so ugly. The new graphical style for DA2 started to grow on my as I played through it but anytime someone from Origins showed up (mainly Zevran and Alistair) they just looked off. I think Leliana actually looked ok in DA2 and Merrill was an improvement, although she was such a minor character in Origins anyway.
BeauRoger said:Well, at least they are very quick about mentioning what they want to improve with the next game. They can never actually admit that the game was shit, and they wont, but they seem to get it. All this negative feedback was healthy, might inspire a better game.
Last Hearth said:Loved Dragon Age 2, play it through 3 times. The companions were much better written than DAO, and Hawke actually has a personality rather than blank slate voiceless Commander, which made all the companion conversations, and dialogue in general, much more interesting in DA2.
Do I wish they had more varies maps in DA2 than it did, sure. But DA2 was an very enjoyable game and I have look forward to DA3 and I hope they don't completely revert back to DAO.
Complistic said:I just don't know how someone can say this. It boggles the mind honestly.
It'll follow the defense of mediocrity on the schedule.Dr Eggman said:A Dragon Age thread? Let the incomprehensible, exaggerated hate commence.
fixed for increased accuracyDr Eggman said:A Dragon Age thread? Let the totally understandable, fair hate commence.
GrandHarrier said:My point was that good games can come after mediocre ones. I think its fair to say that one should give a series two black marks before abandoning it. It is unfortunate to see series go away because of one bad game. THQ shuttering Red Faction really sucks, after how good Guerrilla was. Armageddon may have been bad, but the concept of the series is solid.
That's what happens when you take a population of people with differing opinions who do not understand the concept of fluidity or subtlety in criticism and place them together. Someone who likes a game will get a little bit upset when someone calls the game "the worst game they've ever played," and likewise people who don't like the game will be confused when someone says they like it very much. Dragon Age 2, FF13, etc. discussions are always the same: people talking past each other, trying to get their opinion heard, and in doing so, it becomes more and more extreme each time. The constant back and forth of completely binary and absolute hyperbolic opinions is getting really old and prevents any sort of intelligent discourse.ShockingAlberto said:It'll follow the defense of mediocrity on the schedule.
Oh wait! It turns out the Defense of Mediocrity is actually going to last forever, apparently. Guess the Incomprehensible, Exaggerated Hate will get bumped for simultaneous Valid Criticism running parallel to the Defense of Mediocrity.
Dr Eggman said:A Dragon Age thread? Let the incomprehensible, exaggerated hate commence.
GrandHarrier said:It would be nice if we could discuss the points raised in the article, instead of defending against the same "Never again Bioware!" comments. Really, if you have no more interest in Dragon Age, why not just leave the thread, and allow those who are interested, talk about the OPs linked topics?
DennisK4 said:fixed for increased accuracy
Yes.HP_Wuvcraft said:Not really.
Are you honestly going to tell us that the internet is not going to exaggerate?
DennisK4 said:Yes.
I don't regard the hate for DA2 to be in any way exaggerated. The game was truly abysmal.
Yeah, it seemed like a rather obvious, yet completely missed opportunity for the player to have an emotional connection to the event. Unadulterated rage, crying, or ANYTHING from Hawke would have helped in that purpose. Rather than a moment with some serious shock value, it ended up executing as just another quest to finish in the checklist of things to do before the game ends.Darklord said:There was in DA2. Male Hawke was an awful voice actor. So flat and uninterested half the time. Some character really close to him dies and he'd just like "oh damn that is so sad".
GrandHarrier said:By that logic, Deus Ex: HR should never have happened after the abomination that was Invisible War. And, realistically, HR is sort of a let down compared to even the first Deus Ex. It looks prettier but has, in many ways, way less options.
I am not getting your point.HP_Wuvcraft said:That's hilarious. It's just a video game. One video game. Out of thousands.
Yep, they were a bit mediocre, but they held my interest long enough that I could at least beat Invisible War. I can't say the same about Dragon Age 2.water_wendi said:Yeah IW (and even Project: Snowblind) werent awful games.. they just are nothing compared to the genius of Deus Ex. It would be as if DA2 was the sequel to BG2 instead of DA:O. The difference in outrage would sure be something.
Complistic said:Don't care. I might eventually steam sale whatever they put out but that'll be the extent of my relationship with the DA team and once ME3 is out, Bioware.
And Dragon Age 2 undid most of the gray area from that rivalry by making both sides cartoonish extremes. Every templar is a jerk who just wants to murder mages, every mage is teetering on the very brink of evil no matter who they are and will use blood magic when even slightly confrontedJimtotheHum said:One of the best parts of the Dragon Age storyline is the Templar/Mage rivalry. There is so much grey area there, I tend to lean towards Mage with my decision making, but Dragon Age does a good job of making you pause and really consider your decisions when comes to picking between the two.
subversus said:It's bullshit and you can't claim it until you played the game to the completion three times at least. I have completed Detroit hub yesterday and watched my friend today doing shit I couldn't even think about and finding places I was sure were non-existent. And I was noticing more options for the third playthrough. Later in the game you'll get more stuff + augs and after that action gets absolutely unpredictable in best Deus Ex traditions. So until you know the game inside out or did two-three playthroughs you can't claim it.
Anyway I doubt DAIII will be as good comeback as HR. There's no such ambition.
ShockingAlberto said:And Dragon Age 2 undid most of the gray area from that rivalry by making both sides cartoonish extremes. Every templar is a jerk who just wants to murder mages, every mage is teetering on the very brink of evil no matter who they are and will use blood magic when even slightly confronted.(also some are trying to personally kill your mother in massive conspiracies)
Massa said:That's not true at all.
It more or less was, yeah. Almost every mage you'd try to save would become a blood mage or an abomination. Almost every templar you'd confront would want to just kill the mages right then and there.Massa said:That's not true at all.
Massa said:That's not true at all.
ShockingAlberto said:And that's if you side with him - if you don't, turns out he was always a blood mage and was working with other blood mages to kill your mother.[/spoiler]
Haunted said:The franchise has abandoned me, I won't play Dragon Age 3.
Quick Note:
Mike Laidlaw has been promoted to Creative Director of the Dragon Age franchise, cementing him as the #2 person on the team.
Confidence Man said:A forum post from Chris Priestly on DA2's art direction vs DAO:
To illustrate, think of cosplay. For DAO pretty much the only cosplay we had was Morrigan.
The barometer for success is how much cosplay they get.
ShockingAlberto said:It more or less was, yeah. Almost every mage you'd try to save would become a blood mage or an abomination. Almost every templar you'd confront would want to just kill the mages right then and there.
There were exceptions, sure, but the entire narrative was shifted from "Blood mages are unfortunate but kind of rare" to "BEING A BLOOD MAGE IS EASY, EVERYONE'S DOING IT".
Hell,the Circle leader, who was supposed to be a paragon of virtue for mages, becomes a blood mage after you take out five templars and he's decided blood magic is the key to winning the battle you already won. And that's if you side with him - if you don't, turns out he was always a blood mage and was working with other blood mages to kill your mother.
ArjanN said:DA1 had terrbile pacing at times, there were about 2 decent characters, and the original setting was wasted because it was just a fairly bland variation on D&D without the license.
SatelliteOfLove said:There is one good thing about this, watching the trainwreck that DA3 is doomed to be will be exhilirating.