So the marvel thing is more of a joint project then? I wonder why Fox still holds F4 and X-Men so tightly
I actually think that, Galactus cloud aside, they actually managed to capture most of the comic book aspect of F4, I'd argue it's the "best" (quotation marks) out of the F4 movies we had
Well prepare for a pretty long post here.
Pretty much the reason Fox still holds the X-Men and F4 film rights is because they have generally done well at the box office, though in regards to F4 (given the reboot's panning and being a box office bomb) that may no longer be the case. The X-Men First Class Trilogy (plus The Wolverine) has been generally well received (aside from the mixed reception of Apocalypse) and partly praised for rebooting the whole X-Men franchise through
cosmic retcon, and effectively erasing most of the despised things that occurred during the original trilogy out of existence, as well as X-Men Origins: Wolverine (though can't remember if that film was non-canon to begin with). And the Deadpool film has became the highest grossing X-Men ever, in spite of the relatively low budget and R-rating.
Though these days, Marvel and Fox have buried the hatchet and have collaborated to produce TV shows set in the X-Men universe, like the upcoming Legion and an untitled X-Men series. They also did an exchange in which Fox got permission from Marvel to make some changes to Negasonic Teenage Warhead for the Deadpool film, with Marvel receiving the film rights of Ego the Living Planet from Fox, who will appear in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.
The reason why Marvel and Sony have more or less collaborated to produce the next Spider-Man film, was because (prior to Sony and Marvel collaborating) the Amazing Spider-Man 2 performed below Sony's expectations; they were expecting ASM2 to gross $1 billion, but instead it grossed over $700 million, around $50 less than the ASM1. Sony intended to have AMS2 launch an expanded film universe to compete with the MCU, which would have included 2 more ASM films and spin-offs for the Sinster Six and Venom. ASM2 was by no means a box office bomb, but there was apparent marketing issues that occurred. To add insult to injury, ASM2 is currently the lowest grossing modern day Spider-Man film. That coupled with Andrew Garfield criticizing Sony for the executive meddling of ASM2 which in turn got Sony to plan to have Garfield replaced for the next films, it was pretty clear Spider-Man in film was very much in jeopardy. Eventually, Sony executives decided to cancel the planned expanded universe in favor of collaborating with Marvel Studios to add Spider-Man to the MCU. The only exception is that Sony went ahead with the standalone Venom apparently, which won't be part of the any Spider-Man film or the MCU. And not to mention the upcoming animated Spider-Man film.
Phew! I wrote a mouthful!
And yeah looking back at the F4 films directed by Tim Story, I'd say I have a more positive opinion on them, in light of how terrible Fant4stic was.
Eh, I'd say Blue Sky Studios actually has a few legs-up on SPA. Better track record in terms of adaptations; The Peanuts Movie and Horton Hears a Who! vs. the first two live-action Smurfs...case closed. Not resorting to cheap DTV films; which on the part of SPA now includes
an animated WWE vehicle claiming to be a sequel to an otherwise standalone unrelated film...ten years after the fact). And having
way better creative control overall; while The Emoji Movie got greenlit, Gennedy Tartavotsky's Popeye and Lauren Frost's Medusa both got scrapped. The studio was so bad with this, that the Lord/Miller duo
turned down Sony's offer to run the studio, with their very telling reason being that "artists have been treated like paper, and it's too hard to do great work there."
I see. Yeah the Peanuts Movie was great and Horton Hears a Who! was pretty decent. But I mostly look back at the Ice Age franchise, which I think went downhill after the Meltdown. Only SPA films I had watched were the Hotel Transylvania and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs films, which I actually find pretty bearable and I actually commend Adam Sandler as Dracula to be a great voice performance, especially given his previously poor to average track record in his film. I would agree that the Sony DTV are pretty unnecessary; I never did watch any of the Open Season DTV sequels, so glad I avoided that. And Surf's Up 2: WaveMania, oh god! I also did not watch that, but I had a feeling that was going to be a turn for the worst.