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Below are press previews based on a 12 minutes hands-off developer controlled preview event of The Order: 1886. Click on links for full impressions.

Eurogamer: How The Order reinvents QTEs and the cinematic game

A good few minutes of our first proper look at The Order, the PlayStation 4's high-profile, big-budget exclusive, pass before we see anything resembling traditional gameplay. Even then it's brief - a short, staged shoot-out in a crowded Whitechapel alleyway where third-person cover-based gunplay gives way to a fist fight before our hero Galahad crashes through a weak timber roof. Except it's one of those fist-fights, as Galahad's actions are brought to life via on-screen prompts that, when pressed in the correct order, see him reaching for a knife before plunging it into a rebel's neck.

This isn't a QTE, though - or, rather, that's not what developer Ready at Dawn is calling it. In their parlance it's "branching melee", whereby failure at any stage in the process simply sends you down another path. The knife isn't the only option open to Galahad, and the fight can be concluded in many more ways. All of which sounds very much like a QTE, albeit a very generous one. It seems it's not just in The Order's twisted take on Victorian history that there's been some slight revisionism and a little bending of the rules.

Within seconds of seeing The Order in action, the benefits of working alongside Sony exclusively on the PlayStation 4 are clear enough. It's a fine-looking game, and one of the first to show what's really possible with the new generation of consoles. As Galahad and LaFayette, two of the four heroes that make up The Order's eponymous posse, take to a Whitechapel roof, the city stretches out across a tangible smoky horizon. Like Crytek's Ryse, a film-like visual quality is favoured over searing fidelity - which possibly explains its aim of running at 30fps over 60 - with grain and occlusion lending the image an electric authenticity. The Order's love of cinema runs deeper than the surface, too.

Of the 12 or so minutes of the game demonstration, a hefty chunk is given over to cut-scenes and exposition. Like those QTEs - or should I say "branching melees"? - there's a twist; throughout each cinematic you're given a slither of agency, with the ability to scope the landscape when Galahad looks down an eyeglass, or to examine a newly acquired weapon by rotating it in your hands.

Weerasuriya suggests that the balance in the final game will be weighted much further towards more tangible gameplay, but nevertheless it's a mix he believes is integral to the experience. "If you really think about it, it took you from a cinematic to an interactive cinematic to navigation to talk and walk, which are the moments where you navigate conversing back and forth, to gunplay to branching melee and back into cinematic," he says.

IGN: The Order: 1886’s Mixed Signals

The Order: 1886 absolutely nails its period costumes and its wonderfully realized, believable setting. London looks dark, dreary, and perpetually overcast, exactly as you’d expect from a heavily-industrialised Britain. Ready at Dawn’s brilliance is shown with its understated odes to history and alternate history alike. The blimps flying through the air weren’t actually invented until years after the game takes place, yet you believe they should be there, and so they are. On the other hand, the navy blue outfits worn by The Order look old-school, yet timeless, with the Rebellion wearing similar dusters that pin them firmly to the late 19th century.

But the game quickly turned into something a bit more typical the further we got into the demo. Technical issues aside, seamless transitions between cutscenes and gameplay are well-executed, but The Order: 1886 seems to be a fairly ordinary third-person shooter at its core. The camera angle and cover-based gameplay are more reminiscent of Gears of War than Uncharted, and while seeing it was exciting – and while the game no doubt looks fun – some of its mystique was siphoned away. We weren’t shown anything in this brief 10-minute glimpse not done in other third-person shooters. There are even quick-time events. Still, I did love 1886’s clean HUD. Your weapon and ammo count are only shown during battle, so as to not muddy the screen during exploration, with weapon swapping seemingly mapped to the directional pad.

Playstation Access interview with Ready At Dawn Co-founder and The Order: 1886 Game Director Ru Weerasuriya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfHUvthiwBI&hd=1

Official PS Mag: The Order 1886 gameplay & details: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lIG-BI2Vno

VG247: The Order: 1886 – the new PS4 exclusive with a lot to prove

On possible MP:

Whatever the case, Ready At Dawn refused to properly discuss multiplayer. Whether that’s because they do want to make sure we understand this ‘new IP’ before talking about it, or because they’re not sure if they’re going to have time to implement it, remains to be seen.

As the only brand new and exclusive PS4 shooter with a triple-A budget behind it, there’s enormous pressure on The Order to deliver. What we’ve seen so far is packed full of potential, but we’re not yet convinced enough to let excitement get the better of us. We’ll have to go hands-on before that might happen.

CVG: Next-gen spectacular: How The Order 1886 defines the future

How foolish is it to be amazed by a 'demo' these days?

In this case not even a hands-on preview, but a four-minute video, of which all the interactive scenes are carefully play-acted by a developer. Considering all the smoke and mirrors that inevitably come with such presentations, is it therefore wrong to be dazzled by them?

The problem we're having is this: The Order 1886 looks astonishing.

Watching it unfold on screen, ogling at its technical mastery and artistic majesty, marks it as the first PS4 game to deliver that next-gen "wow" factor. Slightly unfeasible PS3 games are no longer the visual benchmark for PlayStation 4; The Order has become the graphical barometer upon which all next-gen titles should be measured.

Although it is still unclear what truly defines a "next-gen" game, The Order argues it is the mastery of all production methods. Certainly it makes a convincing point. The video above showcases a harmonious unison of graphics, audio, acting, set-design, lighting and animation. On their own they are last-gen milestones, but together they achieve a filmic quality not seen to this extent before.

Perhaps the most obvious place to begin is the character models, which are staggeringly detailed and clearly a significant draw on hardware resources. Ru Weerasuriya, chief executive at developer Ready at Dawn, tells CVG that facial animation has become the biggest R&D expense for the project. Such investment has demonstrably paid off, with even the most subtle expressions from each character becoming noticeable indicators of their mood and personality.

This is enriched further by the body animations, which are a testament to the incomparable benefits of performance capture (a technique that Naughty Dog mastered in the Uncharted games as well as The Last of Us).

PS Nation: Impressions of The Order: 1886 (w/ gameplay video)

My favorite moment of the presentation was when Ru revealed that they were also pulling from Arthurian Legend, which is a favorite of mine. Even the four main characters bear the names of Knights of the Round Table: LaFayette (not from Arthurian legend), Galahad, Igraine, and Percival (yup, Game of the Year!) By the way, one thing that I was very conscious of was that after the E3 trailer hit, a lot of people assumed that there was a Steampunk element in the game, but that seems to not be the case. Ru even pointed out that they avoid the use of “Sci-Fi” when talking about it, since the approach is more geared toward alternate science and technology for the time period.

It’s striking to see the game in action. The attention to detail, and that everything is on screen whether it’s “cutscene” or actual gameplay, is what I talked about the most after we’d seen it. The lighting too, just grabbed me immediately. I’m not sure if it’s in the video I’ve included, but there’s a spot where Galahad comes to a flight of stairs going down, and above them is a window with sunlight soaking through, but in front of the window hang clotheslines with sheets slung across. The way the light diffuses through the different elements, but also how the light still fills the area, and illuminates the particles floating in the air, well, it was something to behold. This is what these “next-gen” systems are supposed to bring to us, at least that’s what I thought. Throughout the demo, you can see the deliberate effort to never pull the player out of the experience, with a minimal HUD that isn’t even on the screen all of the time. Ru also talked about these efforts, but obviously regarding what is and isn’t on the screen can definitely change by the time the game comes out.

Polygon: The Order: 1886 makes dark, dreary London shine in a first taste of gameplay

Graphically, The Order: 1886 can be simply jaw-dropping. There's a convincing sense of life in the faces of its protagonists, the knights Lafayette, a happy-go-lucky rookie; Galahad, the seasoned veteran; the noble mentor Percival and Igraine, the love interest/rival. Cloth physics give uniforms a heavy sense of weight and believable bounce as the knights traverse London's streets and rooftops. Motion blur, film grain and lens flare lend the game a warm, cinematic quality. Neo-Victorian London's dark, grit and grime aesthetic perfectly matches the overall dreary tone.

Admittedly, I found The Order's real-time graphics a bit hard to believe at first. It matched what looked at the time — last year's E3 — like a pre-rendered cinematic. But the occasional imperfect texture, hitched frame or aliased seam would pop up, proving that, yes, this is happening in real-time.

Kotaku: The Order: 1886 Is 30 Frames Per Second And Darn Proud Of It

Ready At Dawn was from the beginning seeking a specific look and feel for the game. They liked the way 30fps looks versus 60, and they insisted on utilizing a 4x multisampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) process—which is quite technically demanding. Between that and any number of other graphical effects they wanted to implement. going with a higher framerate just wasn't a priority.P

"Higher framerate doesn't equate to better," Weerasuriya insisted. "The framerate has to satisfy the experience you want to have."

Gamespot: The Order: 1886 Remains Shrouded in the Neo-Victorian London Fog

It's not that I came away feeling like what I saw reflected poorly on The Order so much as I felt like there wasn't enough there for me to get much of a sense of The Order at all. It may be that this intriguing game just isn't far enough along yet to make a strong showing at an event. Weerasuriya said that the people at Ready at Dawn are working hard to get the game out in 2014, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up getting pushed back. And if it needs extra time to make The Order great, I hope Ready at Dawn takes it. When I finally do get to visit neo-Victorian London, I want it to be in a game that is worthy of such an intriguing setting.

PS Blog (Post by The Order Game Director Ru Weerasuriya): The Order on PS4: New Trailer, Story Details Revealed

Over the past few months, we shared with you our vision of a Neo-Victorian London in The Order: 1886, an alternate version of human history filled with mystery and advances in technology that take center stage in an age-old war.

This conflict that started centuries ago pitted mankind against half-breeds in a battle for survival. This became the catalyst for the noblest warriors of their time to come together in an alliance, an Order that waged war and held the line for hundreds of years. Through the centuries, their vigil has kept humanity safe and the war in a status quo while The Order’s members remained hidden behind history and legend.

But everything changes with the advent of the Industrial Revolution. The tide of war shifts as the Knights finally bring the battle to the half-breeds with the help of new weaponry.

But with progress comes civil unrest and rebellion, by the very people they have sworn to protect. Oppressed by what they perceive to be a dictatorship, the Rebellion rises out of the streets of Whitechapel and quickly prove themselves a dangerous foe, taking up arms against the Monarchy and The Order.

The Order now lives in a world where they must face and fight their fellow man while protecting their kind from the half-breeds. In The Order: 1886, you will be confronted by a diverse group of adversaries and use your weaponry against different factions.

We recently shared a first look at gameplay that illustrates the rebel uprising and that coverage is hitting today so be sure to check it out. Everyone here at Ready At Dawn is hard at work on the game. It’s been great to see all the excitement and we promise to share more of the game soon!

Feel free to post further previews and I will try to keep the OP updated.

 

[Ryuuga]

But the game quickly turned into something a bit more typical the further we got into the demo. Technical issues aside, seamless transitions between cutscenes and gameplay are well-executed, but The Order: 1886 seems to be a fairly ordinary third-person shooter at its core. The camera angle and cover-based gameplay are more reminiscent of Gears of War than Uncharted, and while seeing it was exciting – and while the game no doubt looks fun – some of its mystique was siphoned away. We weren’t shown anything in this brief 10-minute glimpse not done in other third-person shooters. There are even quick-time events

We didn't get to see much, but this is what I took away from what we were shown. I guess the cinematic approach really does take precedence over finding new gameplay opportunities, especially when you look back at games that faired well commercially.

 

[TheBioLover]

The Order: 1886 threads.

 

[sjay1994]

So basically what I felt this game would be

Great graphics and aesthetics.

Really dig the tone they have.

But its a traditional TPS.

Nothing against RAD, or people excited for the order, but I guess I just played too many TPS games last gen, and I am kinda bored of the genre

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

So the QTE-type things aren't pass/fail, that's good. They seem more like Heavy Rain/Walking Dead too.

We need more gameplay.

 

[darkwing]

I guess you can add the preview from the Official PS Mag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lIG-BI2Vno

 

[Saty]

VG247: http://www.vg247.com/2014/02/18/the-order-1886-the-new-ps4-exclusive-with-a-lot-to-prove/

Whatever the case, Ready At Dawn refused to properly discuss multiplayer. Whether that’s because they do want to make sure we understand this ‘new IP’ before talking about it, or because they’re not sure if they’re going to have time to implement it, remains to be seen.

As the only brand new and exclusive PS4 shooter with a triple-A budget behind it, there’s enormous pressure on The Order to deliver. What we’ve seen so far is packed full of potential, but we’re not yet convinced enough to let excitement get the better of us. We’ll have to go hands-on before that might happen.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Is this similar to Ryse then? Unfailable QTEs?

Graphics are amazing.

 

[ReNeGaDe124]

VG247 preview: http://www.vg247.com/2014/02/18/the-order-1886-the-new-ps4-exclusive-with-a-lot-to-prove/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSxSBXdnek

 

[Empty]

from euro gamer -

"When you think about making a shooter, everybody now does cover in a similar way. So how do you do cover better? We've included soft cover and traversal. And it really does change the gameplay. Those are things that we're trying to learn from the things we love, and make it better.

would like to see more about this

 

[wotta]

It has branching QTE's but I don't think it's QTE heavy really. Either way I think we need to learn more and see it in action before knocking it. This game looks amazing, let's just hope it plays that way.

No doubt day one for me either way as I love the idea/setting and the looks.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

So you can fail a qte and it keeps going, that sounds oddly familiar but I love it so good stuff rad.

 

[Jb]

What's the point of going back to an interesting historical time period if it's to make a run of the mill linear TPS?

 

[bombshell]

VG247: http://www.vg247.com/2014/02/18/the-order-1886-the-new-ps4-exclusive-with-a-lot-to-prove/

Thanks.

 

[Texhex]

CVG: "The Order 1886 looks astonishing. Technical mastery and artistic majesty!"

How foolish is it to be amazed by a 'demo' these days?

In this case not even a hands-on preview, but a four-minute video, of which all the interactive scenes are carefully play-acted by a developer. Considering all the smoke and mirrors that inevitably come with such presentations, is it therefore wrong to be dazzled by them?

The problem we're having is this: The Order 1886 looks astonishing.

Watching it unfold on screen, ogling at its technical mastery and artistic majesty, marks it as the first PS4 game to deliver that next-gen "wow" factor. Slightly unfeasible PS3 games are no longer the visual benchmark for PlayStation 4; The Order has become the graphical barometer upon which all next-gen titles should be measured.

Have a look for yourself in the video below.

Although it is still unclear what truly defines a "next-gen" game, The Order argues it is the mastery of all production methods. Certainly it makes a convincing point. The video above showcases a harmonious unison of graphics, audio, acting, set-design, lighting and animation. On their own they are last-gen milestones, but together they achieve a filmic quality not seen to this extent before.

Perhaps the most obvious place to begin is the character models, which are staggeringly detailed and clearly a significant draw on hardware resources. Ru Weerasuriya, chief executive at developer Ready at Dawn, tells CVG that facial animation has become the biggest R&D expense for the project. Such investment has demonstrably paid off, with even the most subtle expressions from each character becoming noticeable indicators of their mood and personality.

This is enriched further by the body animations, which are a testament to the incomparable benefits of performance capture (a technique that Naughty Dog mastered in the Uncharted games as well as The Last of Us).

 

[Abounder]

Ryse of War: 1886 with Silent Hill fog and Doom 3 darkness

Character models look great but the gameplay is on the opposite end of the greatness spectrum, so far anyway.

Hopefully the story and characters are interesting enough to justify $60 because this game looks like the very definition of a rental so far (back in the days of Blockbuster, RIP).

Also I don't think the gameplay or direction has shown much use of the wider resolution and the infamous black bars. With what they've shown they'd lose pretty much nothing if they made it full-screen instead except maybe some framerate loss.

Really feels like this preview stuff was rushed because of Titanfall

 

[Torgo]

PS Nation

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

It it normal to bitch about technical issues in previews?
I always thought those press previews were hold because the footage was still buggy and unoptimized and not ready to show to the public, thatswhy its shown to the press only, who understand that its work in progress.

 

[Blinck]

Apparently there are a lot of cutscenes and "cinematic QTE's" in the game, and the gameplay seems completely standard
Interest is going down.
It does look very good, though.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I get the feeling they have just held some of the more interesting stuff back, early days for this game yet is it not.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Polygon

Graphically, The Order: 1886 can be simply jaw-dropping. There's a convincing sense of life in the faces of its protagonists, the knights Lafayette, a happy-go-lucky rookie; Galahad, the seasoned veteran; the noble mentor Percival and Igraine, the love interest/rival. Cloth physics give uniforms a heavy sense of weight and believable bounce as the knights traverse London's streets and rooftops. Motion blur, film grain and lens flare lend the game a warm, cinematic quality. Neo-Victorian London's dark, grit and grime aesthetic perfectly matches the overall dreary tone.

Admittedly, I found The Order's real-time graphics a bit hard to believe at first. It matched what looked at the time — last year's E3 — like a pre-rendered cinematic. But the occasional imperfect texture, hitched frame or aliased seam would pop up, proving that, yes, this is happening in real-time.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This isn't a QTE, though - or, rather, that's not what developer Ready at Dawn is calling it. In their parlance it's "branching melee", whereby failure at any stage in the process simply sends you down another path. The knife isn't the only option open to Galahad, and the fight can be concluded in many more ways. All of which sounds very much like a QTE, albeit a very generous one.

So you can't fail a QTE? It simply branches off into something else and continues that way or will it eventually hit a point where you either fail or the game does a 'Ryse'?

 

[puzl]

From Joketaku:

Ready At Dawn was from the beginning seeking a specific look and feel for the game. They liked the way 30fps looks versus 60, and they insisted on utilizing a 4x multisampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) process—which is quite technically demanding. Between that and any number of other graphical effects they wanted to implement. going with a higher framerate just wasn't a priority.P

"Higher framerate doesn't equate to better," Weerasuriya insisted. "The framerate has to satisfy the experience you want to have."

Sorry, but higher framerates ALWAYS equates to better. I know they're in love with that whole "cinematic experience" thing, and yes, the game is visually spectacular.... but it's still a stupid excuse and I guarantee, ALL developers would go for 60fps+ if they had no hardware restraints. Oh well.

 

[Dictator93]

So you can fail a qte and it keeps going, that sounds oddly familiar but I love it so good stuff rad.

. Hrmmm Ryse? Hate to stir up any problems, but people liking this style of QTE over Ryse's would be kinda funny. Considering, they both appear to be unfailable... and heck they are still QTEs at the end of the day.

 

[Hyunashi]

Its interesting to see what Ryse has done to people. Anyways, waiting for more gameplay before I build up hype, but knowing Sony we wont get anything till E3 probs. It definitely seems this will be the next step in visuals for next gen though.

 

[Ryuuga]

What's the point of going back to an interesting historical time period if it's to make a run of the mill linear TPS?

Safety net. Take the tried-and-true and change the setting. Look back on games where this was the case and you'd understand why they'd want to accomplish the same.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Cross posting the problem i have so far is the game was first showed of at E3 last year give or take 8 months ago.
We get to see it again and the gfx do look awesome but what else.
30 secs of gameplay , no set pieces , weapons , different location , destruction they talked about etc etc it was a real let down .
Then to make it worst they release another trailer that also shows nothing , not best way to showed of your game after all these months .

 

[Abounder]

It it normal to bitch about technicall issues in previews?
I always thought those press preview were hold because the footage was still buggy and unoptimized and not ready to show to the public, thatswhy its shown to the press only, who understand that its work in progress.

IGN's preview mentioned that when they saw TLOU a full year before its release that it was a rock solid demo, for what it's worth. The industry is a show-me kind of entity, and it's one reason why I think indie games like Star Citizen have delayed their alpha's because many gamers expect higher quality even before the official release

 

[nelsonroyale]

PS Nation

Videos are not showing up unfortunately. Do you have a link to high quality download footage?

 

[R3TRODYCE]

. Hrmmm Ryse? Hate to stir up any problems, but people liking this style of QTE over Ryse's would be kinda funny. Considering, they both appear to be unfailable... and heck they are still QTEs at the end of the day.

Lol, yeah but if it's any consolation I love Ryse and I am hyped for this and its unfailable qtes .

 

[BadWolf]

Visuals = holy freaking next gen

Gameplay = holy freaking last gen

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

This preview event was a waste. Why did they not demostrate soft body physics? WHY?!
The waiting game continues.

 

[Always-honest]

As long as they can get the game running great, i'm all up for this. I love third person shooter that are well executed.

 

[Acquiescence]

It's becoming really difficult to keep up with all things The Order lol. I'm trying to keep up to date between 4 different threads and failing miserably.

 

[Saty]

Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/th...in-the-neo-victorian-london-fog/1100-6417770/

It's not that I came away feeling like what I saw reflected poorly on The Order so much as I felt like there wasn't enough there for me to get much of a sense of The Order at all. It may be that this intriguing game just isn't far enough along yet to make a strong showing at an event. Weerasuriya said that the people at Ready at Dawn are working hard to get the game out in 2014, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up getting pushed back. And if it needs extra time to make The Order great, I hope Ready at Dawn takes it. When I finally do get to visit neo-Victorian London, I want it to be in a game that is worthy of such an intriguing setting.

 

[bombshell]

CVG: "The Order 1886 looks astonishing. Technical mastery and artistic majesty!"

Thanks.

 

[Torgo]

Videos are not showing up unfortunately. Do you have a link to high quality download footage?

I tried to upload it to Mega, but it kept failing. I'll try again tonight after work.

btw, Anyone that says anything about technical glitches etc when we saw the demo is just trying to get a rise out of people. They warned us no less than 3 times that it was unoptimized code. I heard at least 2 people say something like that after teh demo, and I seriously wanted to slap them.

 

[Stone Ocean]

. Hrmmm Ryse? Hate to stir up any problems, but people liking this style of QTE over Ryse's would be kinda funny. Considering, they both appear to be unfailable... and heck they are still QTEs at the end of the day.

Who said they are unfailable? It branches, if you hit the QTE you kill the enemy, if you don't a different animation pans out that could either give you a second chance or straight kill you - though we don't know if there will be actual game over QTEs. It's not Ryse, it's Heavy Rain.

In Ryse the QTEs are unfailable because when you lose they just pan out and kill the enemy anyways without giving you extra points.

 

[Burbeting]

The previews seem pretty fair, and reflect my thoughts about the footage. Visually outstanding, one of my favorite art-styles (19th Britain <3), but gameplay looks pretty average and the QTE:s don't impress me.

 

[Ryuuga]

IGN's preview mentioned that when they saw TLOU a full year before its release that it was a rock solid demo, for what it's worth. The industry is a show-me kind of entity, and it's one reason why I think indie games like Star Citizen have delayed their alpha's because many gamers expect higher quality even before the official release

I don't know how true this is nowadays if you consider the success gained by some early-access games on Steam lately. It won't work for every type of game, but gamers love being part of the process and love giving feedback. It's one to thing expect quality, but it's another to assume what standards are being set for a project when we've barely a taste of what to expect.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

CVG: "The Order 1886 looks astonishing. Technical mastery and artistic majesty!"

So the event was a 4 min video WTF is RAD thinking .
Not a good way to show off your game at all .

 

[nelsonroyale]

I tried to upload it to Mega, but it kept failing. I'll try again tonight after work.

btw, Anyone that says anything about technical glitches etc when we saw the demo is just trying to get a rise out of people. They warned us no less than 3 times that it was unoptimized code. I heard at least 2 people say something like that after teh demo, and I seriously wanted to slap them.

Thanks. Just to clarify, the opening scene looking across the London skyline is 100% in game?

 

[ZenTzen]

is the game just a straight up TPS or is there more to it

 

[Torgo]

So the event was a 4 min video WTF is RAD thinking .
Not a good way to show off your game at all .

NO, the demo we saw was about 12 minutes of gameplay. I know this because I recorded the audio so I could transcribe it for me article.

 

[Torgo]

Thanks. Just to clarify, the opening scene looking across the London skyline is 100% in game?

Everything in the video in my article is 100% in-game

 

[nbnt]

Sounds like they chose a bad section to demo, damn shame that this is the first showing. Maybe they should've shown some exploration and that investigation stuff.

Hope it doesn't get pushed to 2015, Sony needs this for 2014.

 

[JCizzle]

Praise generous QTEs.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

The preview bits explaining the gameplay are pretty damning. Eugh.

 

[Abounder]

I don't know how true this is nowadays if you consider the success gained by some early-access games on Steam lately. It won't work for every type of game, but gamers love being part of the process and love giving feedback. It's one to thing expect quality, but it's another to assume what standards are being set for a project when we've barely a taste of what to expect.

True and it really depends on the specific project. In Star Citizen's case they have so much money, hype, and now even competition with new space sims that I can understand the justification for delaying their early access dogfighting despite valuing community interaction.

When it comes to AAA games like The Order 1866 I think there are high expectations especially since it's due for release within a year, and because they haven't shown much until recently.

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

is the game just a straight up TPS or is there more to it

As far as shooting mechanics go, yes. But they have not shown softbodyphysics and it annoys me to no end. The waiting game continues. Uh.
Big thing this game seems to have going for itself is atmosphere. It does it extremely well.

Edit: Atleast we have something now. Having same gameplay as past two gens is not actually bad thing, but i want to see destruction. NOW.