Fine Ham Abounds
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I had no idea the PS3 version had input lag. Either I get used to these things really quickly, or my brain is slow. Probably both. Good news about PS4 though.
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Some people didn't notice, but maybe the only reason I noticed was because I had both my PS3 and 360 on the same input coming through my receiver and I could tell that one was noticeably more responsive than the other, TV "game" mode or otherwise. Maybe I'm just hypersensitive to that stuff.
Don't ever use onlive or gaikai. There's a constant 8-10 frames of input lag.
plagiarize
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Me too. I think what people don't realize though, is how easy it is to notice this stuff if you are playing the same tables on both hardware. I don't think either of us would think there was anything wrong at all if we'd only played the game on PS3. The lag is so slight that it doesn't stop the game feeling playable or responsive at all, but if you're used to that faster response, you are completely aware of real situations where you wouldn't have drained, or missed that shot, on the 360 version.
Well, if OnLive was my only source for something, it probably wouldn't be noticeable
I'm sure there are a number of games that are fine with it, and pinball probably wouldn't be that bad with that kind of delay (you'd get used to it, I guess) if you had nothing to compare it to. But because there's a definite difference between the responsiveness of the iOS/360 and PS3 versions, it's *all* I notice Spot on.
BigWeather
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Wow, the Easter egg in Monster Bash noted here (http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=4441) actually works on TPA. Now I have to see if any of the other ones do.
twinturbo2
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The latest newsletter gives a hint regarding Table Pack #16.
Sounds like it's Goin' Nuts (squirrel is a rare breed) and the previously promised Flight 2000 (fly through space).
Sounds like it's Goin' Nuts (squirrel is a rare breed) and the previously promised Flight 2000 (fly through space).
Well, if OnLive was my only source for something, it probably wouldn't be noticeable
Spot on.
It changes from one button press to the next though. Trust me, if you can tell the difference here, it will drive you NUTS on a streaming service.
BigWeather
Member
Goin' Nuts was in one of their earlier games -- was Flight 2000? If not then that is two left from earlier games that haven't appeared in TPA, Sorcerer and El Dorado (I think).
Glad to see both Goin' Nuts and Flight 2000.
Glad to see both Goin' Nuts and Flight 2000.
Setting aside for a moment that the 1 frame glitch doesn't happen in 720P so people can test for themselves, the exact same situation is available to PS3 owners like myself who have the Vita version for free. In fact, it's an even better test since unlike most 360 people who play on HDTVs with varying levels if lag, there is zero lag in with the Vita's controls and the OLED screen.
Playing both versions back and forth, 1 frame loss is not a dramatic difference to make or break a run IMHO. You would think my best scores have come from the Vita, but all but maybe two tables are topped with PS3 earned scores instead. I stopped forcing 720P because it is no big deal. Sure, it'll be great when the patch comes, but I personally don't find myself blaming the game when I lose a ball in the meantime.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Goin' Nuts was in Pinball Hall of Fame: The Gottlieb Collection, IIRC. The ones left from earlier games are Scorcerer, El Dorado, Jive Time, and Strikes N' Spares, I think.
Yup, and it gives you the achievement/goal for it, too! That's the beauty of emulation... *everything* is emulated. If you played that same table on a platform/version where it was scripted, it's likely that wouldn't be in there.
I think you'll find all of these will work as well, provided TPA gives you the access to do it (as in, you don't need to do it in attract mode, because it has the splash screen on it).
By far my favourite/the funniest easter egg (I use the term loosely here) on TPA is in TNG, where if when you lose a ball and Data says "If you had sent the ball on the proper trajectory..." you push both flippers, Picard interrupts him with a "Thank you, Mr. Data". Better still, you get a 10 million points bonus for it, bahaha.
This is probably my favourite non-TPA one. It's especially awesome because it was legitimately only discovered I think two or three years ago? So for 15 years, no-one knew about it and it's one of the most popular pinball machines ever.
I think I'm going to treat myself to one pack on PS3, was playing it earlier in 720p and it's made it quite a bit more responsive... at least to the point where whilst there may be a delay compared to the 360 version, it's nowhere near as bad as it was.
I noticed both WH2O and Centaur are on the leaderboards despite not being available yet on PS3 (all the scores say "mobile" on them), will that be the next pack? I can't even remember if they were bundled together or not. But a quick visit to the OP will fix that, I bet
Edit: They were both separate. Guess that means I'll get the Centaur/Pinbot one. Is that the pack that they said would be out a week after the next one is due on PS3?
I noticed both WH2O and Centaur are on the leaderboards despite not being available yet on PS3 (all the scores say "mobile" on them), will that be the next pack? I can't even remember if they were bundled together or not. But a quick visit to the OP will fix that, I bet
Edit: They were both separate. Guess that means I'll get the Centaur/Pinbot one. Is that the pack that they said would be out a week after the next one is due on PS3?
plagiarize
Banned
Just over two years ago. The guy who first found it was a bit drunk at the time and posted on a forum asking 'how you do the dancing frog thing' the next day, and practically everyone just thought he was imagining things until someone anonymous confirmed to him that it was in the code.
twinturbo2
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Yeah, that might be something that complicates things if we're ever to see this in TPA. Then again, there was a Bugs Bunny pin... Hm...
ThreePiMatt
Member
Yeah, so I went to the beercade yesterday. Kind of a bummer about their pinball machines though. I mean, I imagine being a bar they probably get treated pretty rough, but a lot of them were in pretty bad shape. At least everything was set to free play.
The games they had were:
ATTACK FROM MARS - Out of commission
AVATAR (LE) - Did not play
BAYWATCH - Generally functional
CORVETTE - Out of commission
GUNS N’ ROSES - Out of commission
INDIANA JONES: THE PINBALL ADVENTURE - Generally functional
JURASSIC PARK - Good condition, but kinda boring table.
METALLICA (PRO VERSION) - Good condition
PLAYBOY - Did not play
POPEYE SAVES THE EARTH - Left flipper kicks but can't hold up.
STARSHIP TROOPERS - Generally functional, had an interesting setup where there were two buttons on the right because there was a second right flipper directly next to the main flipper. Kind of cool
STAR WARS EPISODE I - Good condition, but kinda boring table
TALES OF THE ARABIAN KNIGHTS - Weak flippers, area near the flippers was very rough, ball movement was pretty erradict. The magic lamp in the middle did not spin smoothly.
TERMINATOR 2 - Out of commission.
THE ADDAMS FAMILY GOLD (SPECIAL COLLECTORS EDITION) - Weak flippers, lots of rough spots on the playfield.
THE AVENGERS - Good condition.
THE AVENGERS (PREMIUM/LE) - Piece of cabling loose on the top of the playfield caught balls and got the game stuck.
TWILIGHT ZONE - Could not find this at all.
X-MEN - Did not play (balls stuck on the playfield, couldn't release).
The two Avengers tables both had a weird issue as well. On the right return lane there was this sensor and a ball detent to hold a ball for whatever reason, so a ball was sit there, the detent would pop out and the ball would continue to the flipper, or at least it was supposed to. The ball ALWAYS got stuck there on both tables and I had to bump the table every time to get it to go through.
There was also a Wizard of Oz table that was not set up for free play, so I didn't try it.
The games they had were:
ATTACK FROM MARS - Out of commission
AVATAR (LE) - Did not play
BAYWATCH - Generally functional
CORVETTE - Out of commission
GUNS N’ ROSES - Out of commission
INDIANA JONES: THE PINBALL ADVENTURE - Generally functional
JURASSIC PARK - Good condition, but kinda boring table.
METALLICA (PRO VERSION) - Good condition
PLAYBOY - Did not play
POPEYE SAVES THE EARTH - Left flipper kicks but can't hold up.
STARSHIP TROOPERS - Generally functional, had an interesting setup where there were two buttons on the right because there was a second right flipper directly next to the main flipper. Kind of cool
STAR WARS EPISODE I - Good condition, but kinda boring table
TALES OF THE ARABIAN KNIGHTS - Weak flippers, area near the flippers was very rough, ball movement was pretty erradict. The magic lamp in the middle did not spin smoothly.
TERMINATOR 2 - Out of commission.
THE ADDAMS FAMILY GOLD (SPECIAL COLLECTORS EDITION) - Weak flippers, lots of rough spots on the playfield.
THE AVENGERS - Good condition.
THE AVENGERS (PREMIUM/LE) - Piece of cabling loose on the top of the playfield caught balls and got the game stuck.
TWILIGHT ZONE - Could not find this at all.
X-MEN - Did not play (balls stuck on the playfield, couldn't release).
The two Avengers tables both had a weird issue as well. On the right return lane there was this sensor and a ball detent to hold a ball for whatever reason, so a ball was sit there, the detent would pop out and the ball would continue to the flipper, or at least it was supposed to. The ball ALWAYS got stuck there on both tables and I had to bump the table every time to get it to go through.
There was also a Wizard of Oz table that was not set up for free play, so I didn't try it.
^^ That's why we need to preserve pinball. Machines get treated like shit and maintenance is an afterthought (if any thought at all).
Nah, they'd probably just remove it. I know they removed a song or two in CFtBL due to licensing, so I don't think it's that hard.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
What? WHAT? Why are you posting that? Have they confirmed it?!?
twinturbo2
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Nope, just found the jackpot music and wanted to share.
You BASTARD. This is the Pinball Arcade thread, not the pinball thread. You post in here, you'd better damn well make sure it's related to TPA.
Can't believe you got my hopes up like that
From now on, do NOT mention any other tables in here randomly like that unless they're announced.
Can't believe you got my hopes up like that
From now on, do NOT mention any other tables in here randomly like that unless they're announced.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Sorry, didn't mean to do that. (This should be a general pinball discussion, too, IMHO.)
Given that this thread is in Gaming Community, I think it's close enough that it could just be about pinball generally, with a main focus on TPA. Clearly, however, I Am Not a Mod®.
That said, yeah, a bit more annotation of your original post would have helped.
plagiarize
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yeah, that's how I see this thread too. As a general pinball thread with a TPA focus.Given that this thread is in Gaming Community, I think it's close enough that it could just be about pinball generally, with a main focus on TPA. Clearly, however, I Am Not a Mod®.
That said, yeah, a bit more annotation of your original post would have helped.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Back to TPA discussion, the PSN store got Table Pack 13 and the Season 2 pass today. Downloading the Season 2 pass also gave me Table Pack 14, even though I don't see it in the store ATM. I'll email FS and ask them if I can get credit back for downloading Table Packs 1-12 separately.
GitarooMan
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I have always been baffled as to why High Speed hasn't shown up in any of the Farsight titles. Is there some issue? The machine is fucking awesome and it should be on the list.
I have no problem with this, but
That said, yeah, a bit more annotation of your original post would have helped.
I use this thread for general pinball stuff anyway, but I never just dump stuff in here like that unless it's obvious it's not about TPA. Now I'm sad
Don't forget F-14 Tomcat, either. God damn, that game looks brutal.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Is it there on the PS3 version?
Getting the ORBS and 1234 drop targets in Centuar was easier than I thought they would be.
Getting the ORBS and 1234 drop targets in Centuar was easier than I thought they would be.
BigWeather
Member
Happy they got the Season 2 pass out there, picked up the eight available tables. Looks like the next two are Flight 2000 and Tee'd Off -- somebody on the "official" forums noticed that the icon for the Season 2 pass on PSN contains mini pictures of the tables thus released and includes what looks like Tee'd Off to the right of Flight 2000. Though I'm not sure how that jibes with the clue. So maybe it will be Goin' Nuts.
About to find out, I hope. Just finished downloading BF3, WW/SS tables, SotC, and GT Academy demo... took forever to install everything. :|
Edit: Yes, looks to still be broken on PS3 too. Dadgummit.
Oddly, I can see exactly one friend's score on TotAN. :|
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Tee'd Off had a production run of 3,500, according to the IPDB. I don't think it's that one. Goin' Nuts was never put into production. That's why I'm convinced it's that one.
Besides, the wacky golf theme was covered with No Good Gofers.
They don't keep most of their games in good shape there, unfortunately.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I'm going to shoot an e-mail to FS and see if I can get some credit for the purchases I made before the season packs became available for the PSN version. I do have my receipts, although my Gmail search won't go back too far for some reason.
MightyHedgehog
Member
What what what?! Table Pack 14, too? I didn't get the season pack for some stupid reason and picked up the WW/SS pack, but I now cannot start it in the Season 2 list nor is it in 'My Tables' list after purchase and update. Urrgh.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Buying the Season 2 pass gives you early access to PinBot and Centuar.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Okay, I'm gonna prove how stupid I am by purchasing the S2 pass though I've already bought three of the first packs on it.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Table Pack 14 is available to the rest of PSN next week, btw.
You can try to talk to FS about getting credit for what you got already, like I did, but the email I was provided didn't work. I have to dig and see what it really is.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Well, that bug I found in Cirqus Voltaire reared its ugly head again in Centaur. I completed two standard goals while I had multiball activated, drained all my balls quickly, and didn't get another ball in the plunger. Luckily enough, I was smart enough to quit out of that game, induce a forced save by fiddling with the controller options, and got my progress saved.
So, right now, I'm 4/5 standard goals on Centaur, PinBot, and Whitewater, and 3/5 on Space Shuttle. Whoever put those drop targets in Space Shuttle I need to light the jet bumpers where I just can't hit them is on my shit list.
So, right now, I'm 4/5 standard goals on Centaur, PinBot, and Whitewater, and 3/5 on Space Shuttle. Whoever put those drop targets in Space Shuttle I need to light the jet bumpers where I just can't hit them is on my shit list.
Are they the targets you *might* hit if you shoot the ball in that middle lane? Ugh, fucking hate them too.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Exactly. I might get a better glance at them if I shake the table at the right time, but seriously, that should be a wizard goal, to get all three jet bumpers lighted.
BigWeather
Member
Yeah those three drop targets in that lane on SS are seriously hard. I'm also for some reason struggling with getting 100 jets in Mars -- I must just suck at hitting the two lanes that lead to it. Good at destroying saucers, though. =/
Wow, the patch to optionally turn off event camera on the PS3 is a nice improvement! I can't believe that they didn't allow this sooner.
It really helps me on certain tables since event cameras sometimes screws up the game's logic and caused glitches. I can also more easily follow the action without waiting for the camera to switch back to normal.
It really helps me on certain tables since event cameras sometimes screws up the game's logic and caused glitches. I can also more easily follow the action without waiting for the camera to switch back to normal.
CrazyTank940
Member
I just got what I think is a glitch in the Vita version of Scared Stiff. I started my second ball so it hit the crate to activate the Crate multiball (as I've hit the crate a bit on the first one) but also went into the skill shot hole, so I had Crate multiball when I shouldn't have, since the ball didn't fall into the crate. The game kinda got screwy when one of the balls got in the spider hole so the spider wheel was spinning but I couldn't hit the other ball since the flipper stops the spider. So the second ball drained, got my spider bonus prize (laboratory hit bonus) and the multiball came back. After that I ended up draining the second ball a little later, didn't come back as I expected that it would stay drained that time.
Pretty weird.
Pretty weird.
That's the reason they included it in the first place, so that any new tables that might have issues can bypass that issue. I don't think it was a general in-game user preference thing, funnily enough!