Even more interesting:
Watch. As in Game & Watch? Multi Screen?
At any rate, to know if its Nintendo related, we need to know the name of the CPU.
Could the CPU be called Koban? Or something meaning Great Game?
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Even more interesting:
Watch. As in Game & Watch? Multi Screen?
At any rate, to know if its Nintendo related, we need to know the name of the CPU.
Could the CPU be called Koban? Or something meaning Great Game?
Regardless, it's going to be fun watching devs try to navigate.
Nintendo seems to be offering them a relatively sane compromise. True, a maxxed-out game developed on the U should be fairly expensive, but Nintendo's also pushing the philosophy that not every game needs to be AAAAA..
They won't really need to navigate as most of them have already adopted an unsustainable direction.
AceBandage
Banned
They won't really need to navigate as most of them have already adopted an unsustainable direction.
Crash and burn baby! The only way to travel!
brochiller
Member
I'd love to see this answered.
tkscz
Member
And yet Epic is trying to convince otherwise. They're head got big this gen, regardless of Crytek basically making what I feel to be a better engine, with a much better tech demo.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the DX11 version of Crysis 2 come before the Samaritan demo?
Pretty much. Expecting the bolded not happening.
What I'm looking forward to the most, more than games (almost?) are the creative uses Nintendo can think up for the subscreen. I like most of the "known" uses a lot already, and am really interested to see what they've thought of that we haven't.
That and the secret unannounced feature(s) of course.
That and the secret unannounced feature(s) of course.
GameplayWhore
Member
Four-way splitscreen took an incredibly noticeable render hit in prior versions of Mario Kart. It didn't stop the feature from being implemented.
I'm hoping that the hit is along those lines. This is an optimistic outlook, but it's something that would help keep local multiplayer alive, and that's really important to me.
You could also read it as Epic saying that they haven't announced the systems that UE 4 is aimed at.
If games are selling they will. If the WiiU flops, or cannot support core games then there will not be as much incentive.
I Stalk Alone
Member
Net revenue
Net income
EA's financial graphs now for this generation and the decisions made regarding their ignorance of handhelds and wii and how that may impact their decisions going with developing mulitplatform titles for WiiU this time around, might be an indicator of how third parties will react to a third revenue stream with minimal risk compared to the trials and impossibilities of doing direct ports to wii.
GameplayWhore
Member
That's because A⁵ is going to be old hat really soon. Devs will be pushing for A⁶ as soon as the next generation starts hitting its stride.
I think so. DX11 Crysis 2 was in summer of 2011, I think.
(someone more knowledgeable might have to double-check this)
Battalion Wars multiplayer on TV with the tablet player acting as field general with overhead radar and intel and whatnot.
Or they'll keep pushing UE3 to the new and smaller developers who are focused on mobile platforms. Aren't they planning to push it to web developers in the near future and get it running in Flash?
Exactly. This is why it's really important that Wii U hits it out of the park with the core demographic from the get-go, and crucially, that it maintains momentum in a way that Wii was unable to.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Never mindNo these dev kits are like big DVD player, or more old VHS recorder/player. Big bland box, far bigger than the Wii U case we saw at E3 2011.
And yes, it was implied in my post, the boxes changed between V4 and those ones, aesthetically (from the outside) if it's what you wondering
If these final dev kits are final form, including the same chipset as the retail version, than why are they significantly larger?
Never mind
Didnt ideaman post (or was it someone else) that the original devkit were the similar size of the wii u?
bgassassin
Member
Haha. If I did it, it wouldn't have been on accident.
Originally I thought the GPU would be 28nm, but after more reading and some things mentioned by wsippel I shifted to 32nm. From the things I looked at the main thing I noticed is that Nintendo seems pretty consisted of using main nodes over half nodes. You can read about the differences here. The press release for the CPU said the process was on 45nm which is a main node continuing that trend with the CPU. Based on Nintendo's history and desire to keep it as cool as possible a 32nm GPU seems the most logical vs 40nm or 28nm used for recent/current PC GPUs.
I mentioned the first dev kit looked like the GC/Wii early dev kit with half the height. Lherre said they were on the "ugly, retail version".
Portugeezer
Member
Shin Johnpv
Member
They aren't more powerful, they just have drivers that support the full Open GL API. That is the only difference between a Quadro or Fire Pro card vs a Geforce or Radeon. It's the exact same chips, just with drivers that fully support Open GL.
Honestly most people in DCC don't need a Quadro/Fire Pro card. The gamer drivers have enough of the api calls to work just fine. Though some of the industrial design apps do need those api calls, found on the pro cards. For Maya, Max, Zbrush, Mudbox, XSI, etc a gamer card will do you just fine. Well possibly not the Nvidia ones, people have been saying the newer ones were performing worse than older cards. People seem to think Nvidia is purposely holding back driver performance for those apps, to make the pro cards more appealing. Hopefully AMD doesn't pull that bullshit.
This but half the height?Haha. If I did it, it wouldn't have been on accident.
Originally I thought the GPU would be 28nm, but after more reading and some things mentioned by wsippel I shifted to 32nm. From the things I looked at the main thing I noticed is that Nintendo seems pretty consisted of using main nodes over half nodes. You can read about the differences here. The press release for the CPU said the process was on 45nm which is a main node continuing that trend with the CPU. Based on Nintendo's history and desire to keep it as cool as possible a 32nm GPU seems the most logical vs 40nm or 28nm used for recent/current PC GPUs.
I mentioned the first dev kit looked like the GC/Wii early dev kit with half the height. Lherre said they were on the "ugly, retail version".
http://images.wikia.com/vgsales/images/4/40/DolphinDevKit10_1_b_qjpreviewth-1-.jpeg?
Whats ugly retail verson?
e.g. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/09/wiigreen5.jpg this?
This feels so dirty and wrong. I wish when they market a 4000 dollar card it would truly be a 4,000 dollar card. :-S
tkscz
Member
Well if true than everything Epic was bragging about was done by Crytek with less tech. Here is hoping Nintendo gives Crytek a boost and use the Cryengine.
bgassassin
Member
Definite yes to the first picture and an assumed yes to the second picture.
Based on some tidbits from a mod on B3D, I wouldn't go that far just yet. Unless you're strictly focusing on UE3.
Weaker than GameCube confirmed!
Hero of Legend
Member
When will we find out?
It'd be funny, but also horrible. You think the trolls are bad in the past few months? Yikes.
*nods*
I think expecting no UE4 on Wii U would be the best approach.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Wii generation repeat in that case...
except there will be more overlap with current gen, so wii U will get some ports for a year or two.
GameplayWhore
Member
At this point, in order to attempt to keep my hype in check, the only thing I'm expecting to be truly great in regard to the Wii U is the conference thread.
And TimeSplitters 4
man, that's gonna be so great! HYPE
HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I was just suggesting something if he really wanted to do it so chill out man.
boiled goose
good with gravy
haha perfect.
Yep, I think you're quite quite close. The only difference I see between this generation and the last maybe... maaaaaaayyybe.. is a bit more Japanese support, as developers there hedge their bets between Nintendo and Sony more equitably this time around.
tkscz
Member
Yes, I am talking about UE3. What the hell is supposed to be so impressive about UE4 anyway?
boiled goose
good with gravy
yeah possibly.
Though capcom will continue to chase the COD audience and Konami & namco will continue to be crazy.
We don't know yet! :O
I think there'll be increased Japanese support, partly because the Wii U should be a big hit over there, and partly because many Japanese developers won't be ready for another generational jump.
No, it's not. I'm remaining adamant that it'll get it.
lordfroakie
Member
Hope you have enough crow to eat.
The best approach is the one that doesn't lead to massive hype implosions. Don't set yourself up for disappointment.
If Wii U sees UE4 I'll be very, very pleased, but right now I can see a big chance that it won't happen.
Can't you swing back into doom mode here?
I didn't say 'UE4 won't come to Wii U', did I?
Japan is Nintendo's best hope at this point. I think that even if Wii U were capable of UE4, there'd be some reason that western support would not materialize beyond token level.
So at this point, I'm guessing:
- better Japanese support
- cold Western support
- ports from the PS360 for the first year, maybe two
- Nintendo expanding its games production rate
Right on. Could be pretty slick.
bgassassin
Member
We'll find out when they publicly announce it, but here is that comment from the mod I mentioned.
boiled goose
good with gravy
If Wii U become a Nintendo + japan box I would be mostly fine.
Most big western games make it to PC more regularly than Japanese games.
I still think that the cost of games will still be too high for exclusive console development in most cases. 3 Way multiplats would be ideal for next gen I think. The combined userbase of the HD consoles vs. Wii was always more appealing to publishers.
(their initial investment in HD tech is not enough justification for the lack of support on the Wii, as they already had Wii level tech. Any investment was essentially a sunk cost, yet they still chosethe HD twins over Wii in most cases, even japanese studios)
I think a lot of it will come down to how nintendo markets the device.
abstract alien
Member
Let's throw a hypothetical out there that is always thrown out, but may matter more right now...
How much would it impact 3rd party development if Nintendo developed a real, sophisticated, and easy going dev engine/tool for third parties who wanted to be lazy and still get great results?
How much would it impact 3rd party development if Nintendo developed a real, sophisticated, and easy going dev engine/tool for third parties who wanted to be lazy and still get great results?
tkscz
Member
If the WiiU can run this, I'll be happy as a fucking clam.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I think the userbase perceptions will still factor in significantly.
PSP got a port of Dante's inferno. Wii did not.
Sometimes userbase doesnt even matter. See the disastrous beginning of Rockband on Wii. After the explosion of GH on Wii, Harmonix/EA were catching up a year a year later. Rock band was perfect for the Wii's audience and the Wii was at the height of its popularity.
There are forces at work that I don't completely understand.
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