It does happen. It's super rare but it does. I suspect though the way a forum is ran determines if opinions can be changed.
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Trump talks Megyn Kelly's nose [Talking Megyn's appearance = ban]
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It does happen. It's super rare but it does. I suspect though the way a forum is ran determines if opinions can be changed.
Messofanego
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Same, except I was more reading others' posts and discussions here and got more informed on such topics. Mostly thanks to Mumei or Angelus Errare. It's only been a few years since I've been here.
Pretty much my experience on gaf. I was already leaning away from the right round the government shutdown time but then I came here and made a stupid post and got educated. Resolved to read a lot more than I post to understand other viewpoints.
HE'S NOT ONLY A TOTAL LOSER
LMAO I love Trump. Maybe not as a President but as a made man who goes home to a super model wife, a 4 billion dollar plus empire, and properties all over the world. And literally doesn't care what the establishment world thinks.
If a pollster calls me I'm saying I'm going for Trump because I don't want this to end.
And in which direction. I personally would not have my convictions swayed by postings on a forum on the internet, partially for that reason. You're getting bias, just perhaps on the opposite side. And then you see maybe 80% or whatever of the people who reply (depending on the subject) agreeing w/ said opposite bias, and it can start to seem convincing to some.
With all that said, and somewhat returning to topic, I don't know how anyone can say "I'm voting for X" at this stage. It seems like the wrong attitude to have if you're trying to come off as an informed voter.
Lastly, I think Trump's campaign is as entertaining as anyone else does, and he certainly has said some outlandish things, but I don't think he was suggesting the hostess was on her period, at all. Sounded like he was going to say nose/ears/mouth and didn't want to spend time actually finishing the thought. There's a lot of desperate grasping at straws from Republicans and Democrats (mostly the former) who are tired of waiting for Trump to remove himself from the party/race, so they are going to reach for anything that can be construed as a major slip up. It makes everyone look bad, and feeds into his rhetoric about being overly PC.
The idea that the anti science, pro theocratic, pro supply side, racist conservative pool has more educated people in it than the left is all too laughable on its face.
Tarkus
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He says it's a 10 billion dollar empire.
No, that's a myth.
Those kind of talking points were in the debate too. Things like: "everything she has touched has been a disaster" more or less. But the comments are always unsubstantiated and sometimes flat wrong. Another poly thread had someone saying Hillary wasn't leading the polls when a quick google search showed the exact opposite. It's why these debates all break down as people repeat talking points they've heard or had someone else misunderstand. Almost every statement trump makes is like this
We need an actual fact based debate thread. One that actually has citations pointing to facts where people can now base their opinions off of. Then you can have actual meaningful debate and discussions
But..... Who am I kidding no one has time for that. Plus it's more fun to argue the talking points
that comment section is a gold mine
plus, seeing right wingers turn on Fox News is hilarious
You've quoted me mixing up it's and its and now I'm going to have to live with that forever.
The way some of you Americans talk about Hillary gives me the impression that you people believe she's an automaton sent from aliens to infiltrate and exploit your population by making the rich richer.
got mad creep in here
Ghost is Bad
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foreign invaders rofl wtf
aygomyownroad
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I trust the Americans will do the right thing and vote for Hilary... Or Jeb.. Yeah id rather see another bush in the Whitehouse that this twat.
He is making a very nice noose for himself with these statements and will do more harm than good.
He is making a very nice noose for himself with these statements and will do more harm than good.
Morrigan Stark
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Pssst. Santa is a fictional character.
But she's not, not by a long shot. She might be greedy and ambitious, but she's not a complete science-denying, homophobic, misogynistic, racist nutcase.
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You actually had it right the first time. As a contraction of "it has."
TyphoonStruggle
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All of you who are dog piling onto this quote about women's periods are just as bad as the conservatives who quote FOX news.
He said nothing about a vagina. Read the quote. It could've been filled in by "head", " brains" "mouth".
Don't give me crap about the implication. Point is that he never said it. Honestly who here can say that theyve only ever had pure thoughts?
This whole partisan politics is absurd and news like this is just making it worse.
He said nothing about a vagina. Read the quote. It could've been filled in by "head", " brains" "mouth".
Don't give me crap about the implication. Point is that he never said it. Honestly who here can say that theyve only ever had pure thoughts?
This whole partisan politics is absurd and news like this is just making it worse.
Resident_UA
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You know Trump can talk about politics instead of all this stuff... He's enjoying this circus.
When it does happen it happens under 2 conditions.
1. Someone is playing Devil's advocate effectively. Some people really have a hard time stepping outside of themselves and seeing how other people can think and react. Though I think most of these discussions would be avoided if the person who changed their mind absorbed what they read in a history book.
2. Both sides are presenting facts (always with citations) and after a vigorous debate all or some of the parties involved can see the flaws in their evidence.
Slurpy2k20
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Yep. I absolutely DESPISE Hillary, but my level of revulsion does not come anywhere close to the current GOP nominees, so I would hold my nose and vote for her. That's how bad they all are, and even though I can't stand Hillary, she's the lesser of all evils.
Trump is a clown with a lot of money, and I love how he's enraged the party leaders, even though he's exactly the candidate they've created. What's not so funny, however, is the idea of him as President.
RustyNails
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Is that your "personal threshold"? Tell me more about this no-lying EVER politician unicorn that I should vote for?
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Just like this topic covers. It takes a certain amount of cognitive dissonance to be a Fox News viewer. Despite the fact that Trump, Fox News, and even Megyn Kelly herself have said far worse things than the statement Trump made, now that Fox has decided Trump is the enemy, they'll tell their viewers how out of line and inappropriate he was. And since those viewers have no real opinions outside of what Fox News tells them to think, they'll go along with it, not even realizing the irony or hypocritical nature of it all.
SapientWolf
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Come on. This isn't mad libs.
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The unicorn may not exist, but I'd vote for the one I trust the most over the one I agree with the most. People whose opinion changes for political gain, like Trump with turning Pro Life, rankles me. Outright lies even worse. My reasoning is that the President becomes Commander in Chief. The more straight the shooter, the more I trust that person with our lives. I think a lot of people lose sight of that.
No, I don't know who that person is for me yet. I have a year to decide.
I feel like if he meant to talk about her menstrual cycle he would have clarified the this was the case very proudly and likely gotten applause from his enablers. He's said more offensive things, I doubt he would backtrack on this.
LaserBuddha
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Its the decisions someone makes that determine what happens, not how consistent or honest they are about what decisions they are making. You'd put your faith in someone who promised to do the wrong thing and followed through, over someone who promised to do the right thing and might possibly do the wrong thing.
I surely disapprove of Trump, yet I don't believe he meant anything near sexist in this particular incident.
There have been, are, and will be plenty of just moments to criticize that pompous man without justifying his belief that the world is out for him.
What I'm trying to get at is decisiveness and leadership being what I value the most. One of the factors is if I can trust the candidate to make good decisions for the country. Being a liar detracts from that for me.
if I thought someone was promising to do the absolute wrong thing, I'd have a tough choice to make now wouldn't I? There must be better potential candidates out there.
theignoramus
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I wonder how Kelly rationalizes working for a company that encourages the sexist behaviour that manifestly upsets her.
PhoenixDark
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Probably because she's more interested in words than actions. She couldn't care less about republicans shuttering women's health buildings or equal pay or any other actual issue women are faced with. In fact she constantly defends republicans against "war on women" charges. But if someone says something ignorant about women that everyone, even her old ignorant audience can find offensive, she'll get upset and call them out and look like a tough strong pundit tellin' it like it is.
You know who's dead silent on this matter? Megyn Kelly. In browsing her twitter, she's generally extremely active. Why do I get the feeling that Republicans or Fox News is keeping her silent instead of letting her react? They probably want to coach her on the most damning response possible, but their focus groups are dropping the ball because they're taking too long.
speculawyer
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So someone created a Change.org petition to "Prevent Megyn Kelly From Hosting Any Further REPUBLICAN Debates."
They set a goal of 35K signatories.
As of right now:
34,146 supporters
854 needed to reach 35,000
The petition (well, as modified by my Trump quote adding extension):
The blow-back is real
They set a goal of 35K signatories.
As of right now:
34,146 supporters
854 needed to reach 35,000
The petition (well, as modified by my Trump quote adding extension):
The blow-back is real
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I'm loving this so much.
speculawyer
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It just goes on & on. Redstate turned off commenting because of too many Trump people pissed off.
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RedState getting slammed in comments sec. on Donald "I promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries" Trump disinvite, then this from RS: "Commenting is being closed on this for a few hours..."
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/630055964134240256
Battersea Power Station
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This seems to be true for many Republicans, or maybe it's for the whole country, dunno.
You can tell because conservatives hated Obama from the get-go, often citing his lofty rhetoric as a reason. But his initial approach to policy-making was incredibly moderate. They didn't care about the actions -- they were into the words.
Same with Trump now. He's less socially AND fiscally conservative than the rest of the field, but they love his words because they do a good job of representing white anger.
It makes me think at this point the best strategy for securing progressive leadership is to have people like Sanders and Warren -- candidates who understand the importance of investing in social programs and infrastructure -- run for office while spouting off sexist, racist shit. Democrats will vote for them for their progressive policies and Republicans will vote for their vile rhetoric.
Veritigo_X
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He's still going at it. Here's the article he linked: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/megyn-kelly-howard-stern-sex-talk-donald-trump/2015/08/09/id/669255/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I love this. He gets a question directed at him specifically in a nationally televised Republican debate regarding his history of sexist comments, yet gets the benefit of the doubt here.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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He's still going at it. Here's the article he linked: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/megyn-kelly-howard-stern-sex-talk-donald-trump/2015/08/09/id/669255/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Absolutely lovely.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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I can't wait for 2016 when it's revealed that this was nothing but a set-up for Trump's reality show a la Joaquin Phoenix's "I'm Still Here" and that this is all bullshit.
Context is key. I am not one to excuse Donald Trump for his sexist comments, nor to even say he won't make more. But given the context (referring to more than one person as having a sort of "bloodshot" appearance) I cannot in good faith say that this particular moment was sexist without falling for the attempted media slander. Especially considering Donald Trump is not one to be subtle about his disgusting views.
He's still going at it. Here's the article he linked: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/megyn-kelly-howard-stern-sex-talk-donald-trump/2015/08/09/id/669255/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Was there any doubt before this that he was sexist?
bodyofanamerican
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He's still going at it. Here's the article he linked: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/megyn-kelly-howard-stern-sex-talk-donald-trump/2015/08/09/id/669255/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/630731186797707264
Awesome/hilarious. How dare that woman talk frankly about her sex life?
I'm happy to say Trump is a vile sexist, but I don't think his comments in this very particular isolated instance were referring to Kelly's period. Is it okay if I hold this opinion? Or am I sexist now too?
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