Won't happen as long as (a) the customer is able to see which information is gathered when and for which purpose, and (b) the customer can turn off that system completly at wish.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Won't happen as long as (a) the customer is able to see which information is gathered when and for which purpose, and (b) the customer can turn off that system completly at wish.
3rdamention
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I think anybody thinking that Microsoft would somehow dominate this upcoming gen are simply being shortsighted, but it is far from impossible that they could end up doing as good or even slightly better than is the case with the 360.
That said, Halo in decline? It's the best selling one in the franchise, and in my opinion, the best game in the franchise. I'm no fan of MP (always felt Halo MP was just hype, could never find what was so good about it), so I can't speak to whatever was done in that regard, but the campaign to me was incredible, and Master Chief and Cortana have honestly never been done more justice as characters than they were in Halo 4. Gears, I actually agree with you. I think that series has been in decline since after the first game. I thought the first one did some really nice things that hinted at some exciting future potential, but then with each sequel, it seemed to go in a direction that I thought wasn't to its benefit. But that's just me. Forza is a fucking amazing franchise. It's one thing to be a Gran Turismo fan, but to say Forza doesn't have shit on an unreleased game you haven't played? Forza has been competitive with Gran Turismo as a racing sim from day one, imo, even if they can't make nearly as awesome a trailer as PD.
And I think Gran Turismo has a more realistic looking art style, whereas Forza's is more stylized (some say cartooney, I disagree), but I think it looks great nonetheless. And the gameplay is amazing, so, again, I just don't agree with it not having shit on GT.
And you say you aren't counting them out, but you coulda fooled me with comments like that about a game as strong as Forza. Either way, as much we love to follow all this stuff, it's really all about the games at the end of the day. A lot of people simply don't care about a lot of side issues that they don't feel affect their core enjoyment of games. If the games lineup looks strong and the games themselves when people look at them in action gets people excited, then Microsoft is fine, and all the fire and brimstone just ends up being noise. To be honest, a lot of this Microsoft doom and gloom is remarkably reminiscent of the 360 before launch (even though few will admit that these days), and even reminiscent of the 360 shortly after launch. It's always near impossible to win a fight, much less even be in the discussion when you're busy punching at the heavens, and that's what Microsoft now finds itself doing against the PS4, much like they were doing when up against what was then viewed as a much more powerful Playstation 3 at the time that was more advanced in almost every way.
I think once both systems are out and released, and we are a year or two in, we'll have a look back at the build up to launch and hopefully learn some valuable lessons for future console transitions (no way, circle of life and all that jazz!) Now, admittedly, the PS4 is clearly the stronger console this time around. There's no denying this, and it isn't as complex to develop games for, but (and I've said this many times) Xbox One is also easier to develop for than the 360 was, and ultimately the games always have the final say. Games have been more responsible and instrumental to the success or failure of game platforms than any other factor, and that especially includes hardware specs.
Diving headfirst into every negative sounding rumor, completely working ourselves into a frenzy will easily make it look like there's a 5 alarm fire over at MS HQ. It isn't hard to do, I've seen it many times before. And like I said before, I still absolutely stand by what I said, nothing has changed since last night, but isn't it interesting how quickly the fact that a very similar thing was mentioned regarding possible gpu downclocks etc happening to the PS4 also, and yet that part of the rumor has been swept under the rug about as quickly as it popped up? Now, I genuinely believe thuway really heard this from somebody, and he said Sony devs told him that the PS4 is fine, even though someone else also told him that the PS4 could face downclocks also (something I don't see happening *my opinion*), but what exactly would Microsoft developers say? Would anything they have to say even mean anything at this point, or would it just be Microsoft devs doing what they are paid to do, and that's defending the console? It just seems negative news is always greeted with more wide open arms compared to the positive. That isn't to say no MS devs would have any criticisms of decisions made, but we are missing a pretty big part of the picture regarding Xbox One. Microsoft did their reveal, but they didn't exactly open up the floodgates. They just admitted the thing exists.
Well, the positive news is that E3 is 5 days away. Developers will talk on both sides and, best of all, we will see real games, even though some folks already seem prepared to disregard anything impressive shown by the Xbox One as simply smoke and mirrors running on some mystery hardware that couldn't possibly have anything to do with real Xbox One hardware. Nothing can be done about that. On to E3 it is!
Have you heard any further details about the Xbone, in fact, NOT downclocking the GPU? I was wondering with this whole story gaining so much ground so far, and somewhat starting to spiral for Microsoft, if you had any more contact with your sources.
If the yield issues are true, I just do not see how they can fix it WITHOUT downclocking the GPU, at least this late in the game.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
It was already looking pretty solid, and then CBoaT dropped a bomb on it...
superchunk
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or maybe he was focused on what MS were trying to do but now the realization is they suck and made poor design choices.
For the past few months, 90% of the rumors surrounding next-gen have pretty much been true anyway.
Marked_Bravado
Banned
hahaha. Leave him alone!! Let him ride this out with some dignity.
Nikodemos
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Doesn't matter. In the EU, companies are barred from doing certain things, even with the consumer's consent.
TacticalFox88
Banned
You know what guys? I feel bad for Adam Orth. He got fired for essentially telling the truth. Sure what he did was pretty dumb in hindsight, but still. The execs up top fucked up FAR more than he did, but they're still there.
Romney is fiscally responsible and basically a slightly more conservative Obama
THE:MILKMAN
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As I understand it, the specs were largely based on the specs of the devkits. Durango devkits started with ultra powerful components and went downhill while Orbis started modestly and grew over time (including a doubling of RAM twice)
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I still don't get how we know who he is nor that he really isn't just making up a lot of this stuff... Also what's up with his typing?
I am not aware of any EU law that would prohibit Kinect in general.
Because those in the industry have vouched for him.
Wickerbasket
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Microsoft just can't catch a break.
They must have pulled out the "Worst Luck" fortune cookie.
They must have pulled out the "Worst Luck" fortune cookie.
superchunk
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Because mods have his legit email and thus know who he is / where he works?
Came to post this, product launches rarely go smooth and I have no doubt Sony is having issues of its own.
Both will sell out over the holidays, the real question is who's strategy will pay off more, gaming console or set-top gaming hybrid?
The Wii U horrible sales might be a combination of Nintendo incompetence and the fact the market is not really there anymore
He's been vetted by top men. Top men!
Impeccable
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Read the post I made in direct response to you?
I'm pretty sure the "It's a wash" line is from lherre, though, and Proelite was more favourable in regard to Xbone and its power, as far as I remember. Then again, Thuway was still begging the gods for 2,5+ TFlops consoles then (who wasn't
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Deleted member 17706
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I know you're a big fan of Microsoft and don't want to accept any bad news about them, as you've shown in many of your posts in these threads, but buttocks is to be believed. Sorry if you don't like that.
With that said, there is a chance he or she is wrong. We won't really know for sure until around the launch of the thing. So you have that bit of hope to grasp onto.
Of course you are skeptical.
I imagine at a glance they looked roughly identical, and it may well be that in practice there isn't a huge difference, especially if a game goes for 30/60 Vsync and the PS4 can't go all the way up to 60 (nevermind if it's deliberately locked at 30 despite being capable of 60), and relative to current consoles and the Wii U they probably are in roughly the same tier. Just that when you eliminate them and just compare the two the difference becomes apparent.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Okay, you're not reading the thread, I guess, because all this has been gone over multiple times now, and it's also summarized in the OP.
JEEZ GUYS READ THE OP HOLY CRAP
I think Luck entails that it was up to chance...this doesnt look like bad luck, but bad business
Because he would be banned by now if he wasn't legit. And he types like that because: " Makes it harder to be found by searching, and other websites and blogs aren't likely to quote it. "
Nikodemos
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They'd find some loophole to ban it.
Anyway, it's all just 'lol microsuck' at this point. Though TBH, I wouldn't put it past them to have some sort of code inside that thing. It has a dedicated processor after all.
Anyone with any concept of professional behavior, anyone who has ever worked on an unrevealed project knows what he did was wrong. Both in revealing something important before the official announcement and in antagonistic conduct toward "civilians", so to speak.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
May be my ignorance here, but how was PS3 a console curse? Didn't it do nearly as well if not equally so to the 360? The way I see it PS3 is not even remotely a failure.
A Human Becoming
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I was thinking more:
"There are 47% of the people who will buy used games no matter what...who are dependent upon used games, who believe that they are victims. These are people who never buy games new...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and support the industry."
But it did no where nearly as well as the PS2 and loss to the Wii.
MrNyarlathotep
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Well, they could have abysmal failure rates due to over heating, repeatedly deny that failure rates are anything more than the industry norm, and then spend $1 billion on a replacement scheme when the outcry hits the level where shoddy hardware cannot be ignored any more.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Makes more sense I guess. Still skeptical. Also I see he has a thing for theatrics when posting.
AGH. That stuff wasn't there last I looked! SORRRRRY.
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Deleted member 17706
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The studios that made those three franchises that you love either don't exist anymore or aren't working on that franchise anymore.
You were guaranteed downgraded multiplatform games anyway. Once this year is over you'll find the Wii U having an installed userbase between 8 and 10m once Nintendo release the likes of NSL U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Wii Fit, Game & Wario, Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 between now and Christmas, and there's a good chance they'll give it a $50 price cut too imo.
Thanks to Nintendo's surprising forward thinking with regards to console architecture developers are going to find it a great deal easier to port between the Wii U/PS4/720 than it currently is and has been to port between the Wii U/PS3/360. We've already started to see this being confirmed by Ubisoft developing Watch Dogs using the PC as the lead platform and porting between the current gen platforms with the PS3/360 SKUs being developed independently.
With the marketshare advantage that the Wii U is going to have after a year's head start you'll see publishers making developers code for the Wii U as the lowest common denominator. They're not going to leave that sort of money on the table now that Nintendo have released a console with a standard rendering pipeline.
So, no, you won't have the One holding the PS4 back...you'll have the Wii U holding the PS4 and One back unless a publisher wants to seriously piss off shareholders.
Marked_Bravado
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That OP was officially made for dummies. Very helpful.
And why would they do that?
Have a look for yourself: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/document/review2012/com_2012_11_en.pdf
There is nothing in there that would prohibit Kinect, as long as (a) the information gathered, processed and stored is transparent to the customer and (b) the service can be enabled/disabled at wish.
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
MightyHedgehog
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People have covered the legitimacy of the sources confirming it. The thing I still don't see clearly from all of this is how this will affect final specs or launch condition of system, relative to PS4. We never got a deep enough look at the specs or final specs that MS settled on, so it's difficult to even put it in correct perspective with regard to how recent rumors affect whatever those might actually have been or still are. Hell, we never got more than a basic spec list from February for PS4 and never even got a full rundown of what is what with all of the leaked/rumored info. There is so much hanging in the air right now that it seems a bit pointless to become too concerned, IMO. For all we know, this new 'disaster' in a line of 'disasters' over the last few months may indeed turn out to be nothing serious in the end when the system releases. Too soon, and not enough info.
Sigh.
nintendo needs games that capture the public's imagination.
so does microsoft - it's far more relevant than the raw power issue. i still think they could finish e3 in ok shape if they've got some (game) surprises that are interesting and not just the up-gen'd versions of the stuff everyone is already expecting.
that said... ms is already suffering a pr disaster with the one, and this sure doesn't help their branding at all.
3rdamention
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Just read the OP, it explains who he is, the fact he has been verified by mods, and there is an explanation as to why he types that way. Its ALL in post number 1.
It was a cluster fuck compared to the PS2 as well as obliteration all the profit from the ps1 and ps2
TheJollyCorner
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It'll be ok, Cyclone.
I know all of this must be very difficult for you right now, but remember to breathe. Sometimes it helps sitting down on the floor and bringing your knees up to your chest. In through your nose, out through your mouth.
Then repeat after me: "The Cloud. The Cloud. The Cloud. Games. The Cloud. The Cloud. The Cloud. Games."
You see? Feeling better yet?
Since MS has already started up production, we should be getting something soon on what the final specs are depending on how loose the lips are over at Foxconn. At the very least we'll get shots of the finalized internals if they've changed since the 21st.
Meccanical
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So...I think now is a good time to bring up the secret sauce discussion.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
You have to be kidding me.
Fucking A MS. Get it together. I want truly next gen Halo games. Give the devs some horsepower here!
Fucking A MS. Get it together. I want truly next gen Halo games. Give the devs some horsepower here!
Kazuma Kiryu
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you can't be serious.
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