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Turkey blocks Wikipedia because Erdogan, a dictator, has hurt feelings

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KorrZ

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This is so disgusting and sad to see.

I've always wanted to visit Turkey and Istanbul in particular. Sad to say I'm not sure if I'll ever feel comfortable travelling there now.

Stay strong TurkeyGAF.
 

Joni

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In hindsight not letting them integrate the EU was probably a great decision.

Erdogan continues his destruction of the legacy of Atatürk with the assent of the people smh...

It wasn't a decision. They really just didn't try to move ahead where they needed.

This is creating a wrong image. Voting belgian and dutch turks would be the correct way to say it. Of German Turks able to vote I think 50% voted and 60% were voting yes. If you're further including German Turks without the right to vote in the referendum to make a point about how integrated German Turks are, we arrive at 13% of German Turks voting yes in the referendum.

Belgian Turks had the second highest voting percentage in the world of all foreign Turks.
 
I would have been impressed had this happened.
All popular porn sites have been banned for years, LMAO.

Including Imgur for hosting porn. I'm not kidding, Imgur is banned in Turkey because it hosts porn.

Even the Turkish Wikipedia page for the vagina has been blocked for at least a few years.
 

Vastag

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Politically and ecomonically the EU will have a difficult time ahead if turkey will go to BRIC as trading partner instead.

I'm sure that the BRICs are going to prefer Turkey as a trading partner instead of the EU. Well, at this point even the concept BRIC is a bit outdated. It would make more sense including Mexico in the group and taking out Russia, if we take into account the projections for the next 20-30 years.

Stay strong Turkey GAF, sooner or later it will pass.
 
Belgian Turks had the second highest voting percentage in the world of all foreign Turks.

Yes, about 75% with 53% turnout. That makes 39% of all eligible Belgian Turkish voters. And then there are of course the Belgian Turks who weren't eligible to vote.

The point is, the referendum results are often used in the recent days to make a statement how a majority of Turkish immigrants aren't willing to integrate. It IS however a minority who are fanatical followers of Erdogan.

The context in which the poster used the referendum results of 60% or 70% to refute a statement about half of the general populace paints the wrong image.
 

Madness

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Even if you support his politics, one man having too much power rarely ends up in anything good. You'd think people with any grasp on history would know this.

All I can say is, enjoy your shithole for letting this happen.

You mean the Turks who live in free countries like Belgium and the Netherlands and voted for Yes rather than the millions of actual Turks being fucked over in Instanbul who voted No. They should boot every Yes voter who voted to Turkey and invite the No voters in their spot. If they love Erdogan and want him running Turkey so much go and live there.
 

Jackpot

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Those reasons only covered the parts that were stated as regulation. Politically and ecomonically the EU will have a difficult time ahead if turkey will go to BRIC as trading partner instead.

Tiny regulations like freedom of speech and freedom of press. Turkey joining the EU in the next 50 years, let alone barreling along to inevitable membership is a joke and only highlights your ignorance.
 

Joni

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Yes, about 75% with 53% turnout. That makes 39% of all eligible Belgian Turkish voters. And then there are of course the Belgian Turks who weren't eligible to vote.

77% Yes voters of 60% of the voters. That makes about 50% of Belgian Turks, the other 50% also includes the Kurdish Turkish Belgians.
 
77% Yes voters of 60% of the voters. That makes about 50% of Belgian Turks, the other 50% also includes the Kurdish Turkish Belgians.

Where do you get those numbers from? I found the 60% turnout numbers now too, guess I had an old version. The Yes votes are 74,98% though everywhere I look.

It doesn't really matter anyway, since it isn't disproving my point. It still isn't over 50%. Belgish Turks who aren't elegible to vote and are further integrated are bound to vote more in direction of No. Furthermore Belgium is one of the extreme cases here. You're still talking about a minority of Turks in the EU.

Using the numbers like that devoid of any context is misleading.
 
Frustrating to see a country abandoning its democratic heritage step by step :/ RIP Turkish democracy.




Germany is actually in favor of continuing the negotiations to still have an open channel to Turkey. Gabriel (Social Democrats) said that just a couple of days ago and Merkel (Conservatives) backed him.

Considering they volume of german turks, it might be a good idea to go for the opposite.
It's not easy to ignore or offend this ethnicity if they hold more than 4 million votes, and promising EU membership is a surefire way to appease them.


I highly doubt that there will be anybody willing to continue negotiations with Turkey as soon as they start holding a referendum about capital punishment.
And nobody will care about the part of those 4 million votes that would be pro capital punishment.
 

Joni

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Where do you get those numbers from? I found the 60% turnout numbers now too, guess I had an old version. The Yes votes are 74,98% though everywhere I look.

VTM Nieuws. The Flemish commercial television station.

It doesn't really matter anyway, since it isn't disproving my point. It still isn't over 50%. Belgish Turks who aren't elegible to vote and are further integrated are bound to vote more in direction of No. Furthermore Belgium is one of the extreme cases here. You're still talking about a minority of Turks in the EU.

It is an extreme case but that doesn't make it less unsettling when they are stabbing each other at the referendum booth and that Belgian politicians are demonized as Kurdish terrorist supporters on Turkish media. It creates an uncomfortable image that Turkish politics has way too much control over European-living Turks, especially in Belgium which due to circumstances has a high number of Turks from those Turkish rural areas that have been typically pro-Erdogan as well. An issue that you shouldn't ignore because people that didn't vote. And in the end, you could easily make your same points about Turkish-living Turks where you also don't have a majority of Turks voting yes. in the end the result is the same, a Yes vote. People that didn't vote but could vote, decided that the result didn't matter to them.
 

nkarafo

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Except in this case the general populace seems pretty happy with setting up a dictatorship.
This is what gets me the most.

As a Greek, all my life i've been taught to hate Turks. But i always tried to resist this by saying to myself people today aren't responsible for whatever happened in the past and that it's the governments that do all the damage and we shouldn't hate the people, etc.

But after this i have nothing. I just feel sorry for the reasonable turks who were against the dictator and i hope they do something to fix this.
 

KonradLaw

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Turkey was never going to join EU in any near future, even before Erdogan has shown his true colors. It's too big, too poor and islamic to boost.

Now it's just a game. EU will pretend there's a chance for Turkey to join and Erdogan will pretend he's willing to drown EU in refugees. This way EU can keep sending him money and Erdogan has free hand to do whatever he wants in his own country. Both sides getting exactly what they want, despire posturing suggesting otherwise,
 

Quirah

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Is porn also blocked in Turkey?

Wait till Turkey blocks porn!

They blocked major porn websites at his first years. Even before press ban. It's like 95% of porn websites are blocked right now. You guys probably don't use DNS servers much often but every single Turkish internet users knows Google DNS's IP's in their mind.

Also, I think it will not be permanent ban. As I heard on media they banned because there is an article about Turkey helps ISIS and they didn't let others to fix that. I don't know if this is the real reason tho.

Oh by the way, my modem had issues 3 days ago and I called Turk Telekom (ISP). They came and replaced my old modem with new one. And it was fixed-DNS modem. I mean, you can't change DNS in normal way. I spent whole night to change DNS and managed to do it.

So tldr: internet is shitty here.
 

Rien

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There was an discussion on dutch TV between a pro-Erdogan Turk and a Turk against the referendum.

The pro-Erdogan Turk insisted that the Turkish government need to be changed and that giving the President more power was the right and only way to do so. When asked about how he'd like it if it happened in the Netherlands (where he lives) he refused to comment and constantly dodged the question.

For the speaking folk here: https://pauw.vara.nl/media/372271

I saw that as well.. Love Pauw.. when the Turk against Erdogan asked the Pro-Erdogan if he would ever gonna live in Turkey in the future when Erdogan have full power his answer was this: " Sure, i will deff go to turkey in the future.... for a holiday"
Like for real?
 
What's his endgame?

An Iran style Islamic fundamentalist government with himself as Ayatollah/caliph?


It's not. It's strongman totalitarianism, not theocracy or Islamist Sharia law.

Religious rhetoric is a social adhesive for his fanbase but he won't force theocracy in that way by law on the population. The social unrest will be far too great and he isn't a Sharia nut anyway so it's not something he would do.
 

Caayn

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I saw that as well.. Love Pauw.. when the Turk against Erdogan asked the Pro-Erdogan if he would ever gonna live in Turkey in the future when Erdogan have full power his answer was this: " Sure, i will deff go to turkey in the future.... for a holiday"
Like for real?
The fact that he kept dodging questions such as those show to me that he is either a) fully aware of what he's doing and the impact it is but doesn't care because he doesn't live there or b) he's indoctrinated. I'm leaning towards option a.
 

Rien

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The fact that he kept dodging questions such as those show to me that he is either a) fully aware of what he's doing and the impact it is but doesn't care because he doesn't live there or b) he's indoctrinated. I'm leaning towards option a.

Yeah me too.
 
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