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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again

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matrixman92

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This episode was SO GOOD!!!

But I share the sentiment that the dougie stuff is getting extremely old. I was very enthralled with this episode, then it goes to a scene at dougies office and I just groaned. But the dougie stuff wasnt as bad as it had been in previous episodes.
 
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KO Traveling Hobo said:
Also, none of the scenes were frightening. I'm curious what the SDCC viewers were referring to. The portal in South Dakota? Shelly on the hood of the car?
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I guess some people think Lynchian visuals are scary. I've never understood that. I've thought they are weird as hell and menacing but perhaps I've seen horror movies that I'm unfazed by that.

Going back to Dougie, I've noticed that his life seems to be touching so many in positive ways somehow. The way people look to Dougie with admiration is similar to our original love for Cooper. I truly hope that next week can fully bring him back. It's time to get back where it's all started.
 
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wanderingprostheyltite said:
You might be taking this a wee bit too seriously, relax. All I said was I preferred the dark aspects of the town more. Why get so ruffled over someone's personal preference?
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I'm not even slightly ruffled. His words, not mine (well, also mine, but he made it official).

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Slaythe

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You know. I can suspend my disbelief for ghosts woodsmen. Atomic blasts birthing demons into our world. Heads exploding suddenly. Giant frog beetles. Yes I can accept a man being absorbed by an electrical plug into another dimension. And people turning into orbs.

This is OK.

What I can't accept is how this shit bag is nailing both Amanda Siegfried and Alicia Witt.
 
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Okay I think that was my favorite episode so far. The Mitchum brothers dynamic is awesome as heck, and it kind of warmed my heart to see these people who were all but ready to kill Coop welcome him.

I feel bad for Hastings, but man, he didn't have much going for him even if he was let go.

And holy shit, Myriam is actually alive! I knew that she was breathing but had no idea if she'd survive the gas explosion.

I wonder how much Hawk knows about what Mr. C is looking for. Whatever that is.

So, I guess that scene we had in one teaser that seemed to be the stairs where the Woodsmen were standing on actually had both Gordon and Cooper.

Good times are ahead of us! I wonder what you guys that were down on the show thought about this one.


Flipyap said:
No, it's not. The entire point of the town of Twin Peaks was that it's that one place on Earth that hasn't gone to shit. Now Las Vegas looks like a paradise compared to that hell hole.
The darkness was supposed to be hiding in the shadows (and the woods). There was always room for incredible darkness in the town, but the town itself wasn't supposed be feel like the last place you'd want to visit.

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				COOPER
		Albert, I hope you can hear this. I've only been in Twin
		Peaks a short time. But in that time, I have seen decency,
		honor, and dignity. I have seen grief to break your heart.
		Murder is not a faceless event here. It's not a statistic to
		be tallied up at the end of every day. Laura Palmer's
		death has affected each and every man, woman, and child.
		Because life has meaning here. Every life. And that's a
		way of living I thought had vanished from this earth. It
		hasn't, Albert. It's right here in Twin Peaks.
Now imagine Cooper entering the 21st Century town of Twin Peaks.

"Diane, 11:30 a.m., October Something-Something. Entering the town of Twin Peaks, five miles south of the Canadian border, twelve miles west of the state line. I've never seen so many assholes in my life.
Diane, I've just passed a woman covered in blood crawling in the direction of the town's Sheriff's Station. Judging by the crawl tracks, she's been shuffling like that for over a day now."
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We're talking about a series where the main character (who is very much the embodiment of good) is left in a purgatory and his evil version roamed 25 years using his name and face to kill and rape god-knows how many people.

I think that we'll eventually see that the good part of town will show its colors when Cooper begins his actual return, but for now, we're stuck knowing that without people like Good Cooper in the world, it turned into crap.

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That was fucking hilarious, though.
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You know I was kind of scared at that point because I thought that Bobby was about to get killed or something by the person in the car. (before knowing it was a just a woman wanting this to get over with)

That kid throwing up vile in that way was pretty freaky too. I might laugh on my second watch.
 
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Also, the episode was great, but it also puts in evidence what we've been missing.

I loved the Becky and Bobby stuff this episode. He was pretty upset when he saw the new Shelly boytoy too. Kinda wish we had gotten more of that through the season. Feels a bit wasted because that was really good.
 
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Holy moly at this episode.

From Amanda Seyfried's scream, to Shelly on the hood of the car, to Gordon and co.'s Hobo portal adventure punctuated with Lynch's perfect "He's dead.", to oh my god the shooting scene with the kid and dad in matching camo and jeans and the constant horn blaring and Bobby's bewilderment and the arriving deputy's "I was at Big Ed's Gas Farm...and you know what? I heard shots." and the horn honking lady's rant and, lords above, the end with her passenger slowly rising up and drooling/vomiting green bile as Bobby just watches.
And then we get another round of MVP Candie at the finish.
 
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On Candie, I'm still wondering why the brothers still bother to ask her for favors considering she doesn't seem like doing anything for them after hitting Rodney.
 
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Dusk Golem

A 21st Century Rockefeller
A very interesting interview with Amy Shiels, the actress playing Candie: http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-amy-shiels-on-her-tragic-backstory-for-candie.html

Vulture:We're reintroduced to Candie and get into her mind-set thanks to an extended fly-swatting sequence this week. How did David direct you in that scene specifically, since it's well over a minute of you walking around aimlessly?

Amy: I was told I was going to have this red handkerchief and I'm going to be swatting a fly — the fly is flying all over the room and you're going to keep on trying to hit it. It's going to be down there; it's going to be up here; it's going to be over there. I knew we really had to just go for it. David would shout direction while I was walking around the room. It's up your left! It's down! It's to the side! It's to the right, Candie! It was really fun. And then you reach down and you pick up the remote control, and then it goes up in the air, and then it goes down and lands on his face, and then it goes off again. David was very specific. I didn't feel silly doing it with Candie, because I felt so crazy all of the time anyway. I was in her world every day. I was like, ”This is just a normal day in Candie's world!"

Vulture: Although the fly-swatting scene seems to first function as comic relief, it later changes meaning a bit when Candie continuously asks Rodney, ”Can you ever love me after what I did?" — which many viewers read as an indication that she had been abused in the past. Would you agree with that?

Amy: My personal process for my own backstory brought that about, yes. I feel in my backstory that the brothers are actually saving her. She just loves them and appreciates everything in the world. That's why I love Candie and adore and cherish her so much — it's because she really sees everything through new eyes and has been through something so traumatic in her past, so absolutely hideous, that now that she's been saved by these boys, she loves them and she sees everything and appreciates it all. Everyone takes air-conditioning for granted; it's just everywhere. But no, not to Candie. It's probably the first time she's had air-conditioning in her life. It's amazing. Everything is so good. She loves her bosses, and that's why she was so traumatized, because they were so good to her and she hurt him so badly. Especially when she saw the blood the second time, that was tragic. His face — what has she done to her savior? She's just a wonderfully kind and appreciative person who really feels people's joys and pains and emotions. She's adorable and loves everyone.

Vulture: What else have you imagined for her backstory?

Amy: In my mind, Candie is someone who has possibly been human trafficked her whole life. I think she had something really awful like that, and she was saved by the brothers. When I watched the episode on Sunday, it was interesting because I hadn't heard the line: ”She has nowhere else to go." That wasn't in my script because I wasn't in the room.

Vulture: I'm glad you brought that quote up, because until one of the brothers said that, it was really ambiguous as to who was acting as Candie's abuser. It solidified, in my mind, that they were being her protectors.

Amy: Absolutely. For me, it also solidified what I had been thinking of their friendship and relationship to each other.

Vulture: How would you define the trio's relationship, then?

Amy: She just adores them. They're her saviors. She just wants to make them happy — there's nothing sexy about it, nothing like that. It all comes from a place of absolute love, adoration, and appreciation. It's almost like she's their adopted child, in a way. She's their little sister. She's so kind and generous and appreciative of them and wants to make sure they're always looked after and okay. She's almost like their pet! She's like their little dog.

Vulture: We also get an extended scene via the casino's security camera while Candie's on the gambling floor. What were you actually mouthing while doing those wonderfully animated arm movements? Was it actually about the air-conditioning?

Amy: It was! That was so much fun shooting that scene. Tom Sizemore was trying not to laugh the entire time. I improvised for five minutes about air-conditioning units in Candie's world. It was so fun. [Laughs.] When we cut ... Tom is a genius. We burst out laughing as soon as they called ”cut!" and he repeated every single word back to me. He remembered five minutes of that monologue. A lot of the time, when you're improvising, you're not going to massively remember what you just said. So it was wonderful to hear it back. I was like, ”Look at this space; look at the air conditioners." I feel Tom Sizemore would actually be able to tell you what Candie was saying better than I could. Shoot him an email or a tweet, I'm sure he'll be obliging. Recently, we had a cast-and-crew screening, and we were laughing about it again. We had too much fun that way.

Vulture: And it was an especially nice contrast for an episode that was so inherently violent in nature.

Amy: People were saying that on set, too, actually, but of course I didn't know because I had no idea what was going on with other characters besides my own. I was in Candie's world. It's an enchanting world to be in and the best four months of my life.

Vulture: How did you master the art of the over-the-top ugly-cry face so well?

Amy: That's just how I cry. [Laughs.] I'm very into the physical side of acting, so when I have a new character, I always approach it from body language first. I think that's the best way to communicate; what we say is through our body. I embraced that first with Candie. I feel the costume really helps with that, too. I had a tutu at home that I loved rehearsing in, to get into her at night. That helped with her fragility. I also researched old movie stars and would watch their work. But also, I'm not massively vain, so I don't really care about looking pretty when I cry. What a great part. It's not about being a beautiful woman; it's about being a beautiful woman on the inside. When we cry, we don't look pretty. We don't! We look ridiculous! Have you ever looked in the mirror when you cry? It's not the time for a selfie! I really wanted to go for it. It wasn't about looks; it was about feeling.
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Juan29.zapata said:
You know I was kind of scared at that point because I thought that Bobby was about to get killed or something by the person in the car. (before knowing it was a just a woman wanting this to get over with)

That kid throwing up vile in that way was pretty freaky too. I might laugh on my second watch.
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Yeah, I'm not really the edgy type to laugh at serious scenes, but the scene didn't feel serious. I was genuinely on the verge of tears with how absurd the whole thing was.

Slaythe said:
Also, the episode was great, but it also puts in evidence what we've been missing.

I loved the Becky and Bobby stuff this episode. He was pretty upset when he saw the new Shelly boytoy too. Kinda wish we had gotten more of that through the season. Feels a bit wasted because that was really good.
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Please god no. The new season has been mercifully void of soap opera love triangle garbage.
 
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Dusk Golem

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You know, I wonder if there is a theme of sickness in Twin Peaks though. Like it could just be nothing, but with the weird stinger that one episode with the girl scratching the gross rash, then this episode with the girl vomiting, and various scenes in Twin Peaks this season about how ugly the town has gotten, I wonder if the fact we're getting some really gross 'disease' scenes are playing into that?
 
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Dusk Golem said:
You know, I wonder if there is a theme of sickness in Twin Peaks though. Like it could just be nothing, but with the weird stinger that one episode with the girl scratching the gross rash, then this episode with the girl vomiting, and various scenes in Twin Peaks this season about how ugly the town has gotten, I wonder if the fact we're getting some really gross 'disease' scenes are playing into that?
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What does radiation sickness look like?
 
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DrEvil said:
That piano arrangement is something familiar. It's from the classic series right ?
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Yeah it's a new Badalamenti composition, that contains a version of 'Sycamore Trees' from the season two finale. Cooper reacted to it as such because he saw and heard Jimmy Scott performing it in The Red Room (while being blasted with strobe lights).

I got wildly excited when I caught the melody. Even the faster parts are still taken from that song, just arranged super differently.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg0HyJpvI
 
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Dusk Golem

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mjp2417 said:
This episode obviously didn't aim for 8's heights, but in its own way it was nearly perfect. I don't want this series to end.
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Still got 7 parts to go, but I'll be incredibly sad once it's over too. Though I've had the feeling since the start and it's become increasingly present as the series has gone on, but I feel like Twin Peaks is going to have one hell of an ending.
 
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Buttonbasher said:
Yeah it's a new Badalamenti composition, that contains a version of 'Sycamore Trees' from the season two finale. Cooper reacted to it as such because he saw and heard Jimmy Scott performing it in The Red Room (while being blasted with strobe lights).

I got wildly excited when I caught the melody. Even the faster parts are still taken from that song, just arranged super differently.
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Oh wow good ear+catch! That makes that scene about 10x cooler now.
 
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Buttonbasher said:
Yeah it's a new Badalamenti composition, that contains a version of 'Sycamore Trees' from the season two finale. Cooper reacted to it as such because he saw and heard Jimmy Scott performing it in The Red Room (while being blasted with strobe lights).

I got wildly excited when I caught the melody. Even the faster parts are still taken from that song, just arranged super differently.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg0HyJpvI
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God I hope it gets a release, it was fantastic.
 
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JC Sera

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i love the mitchum brothers, dougies boss and bobby's new character
honestly I think the symbol is the darkness/black lodge/oil pit swallowing twin peaks whole

don't exactly get the idealisation of twin peaks; in the original series/FWWM it was shown to be idyllic on the surface but that there were corruptions that ran deep:
– prostitution of teenage girls, being sent over the border
– drugs being pedaled by a well entrenched group
– domestic abuse, and dependency on your abuser so you can't escape
– the beginning of class gap poverty, where what were considered middle class americans falling into the category (shelly living in that disrepaired house cannot support herself, trailer parks)
Both a doctor and employer taking sexual advantage over their charge
hank and his charming sociopathy; how he was so willing to charm/sweet talk/manipulate and then later murder with a calm demeanor
adultery adultery adultery adultery, and the consequences of how it can ruin families (donnas family break down in the S2 finale)
Insurance fraud and arson, leading to hundreds of local jobs being destroyed all for the profit of a handful of men and women, so the area can be sold to oversea investors

thats not even covering the supernatural shit

Season 3 just has all that ugliness boiling up to the surface, but it was always there
 
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Much, much better episode than the last few. No time wasted, every scene was coherent, there was a concrete narrative that could be followed from start to finish, sprinkled with additional bits of intrigue that contributed to the overall mystery.

It's so, so weird that we get episodes like this and 7, and yet they're always spaced out by a handful of clunkers.

(On a slightly more smug note, I also love that people were defending the new direction of the series by saying "It'd be stupid for it to just be a nostalgia-filled callback to the original show. What did you expect, Cooper to eat cherry pie while looking at the camera and smiling?!" Whoo boy...)
 
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Emperor_Uriel said:
(On a slightly more smug note, I also love that people were defending the new direction of the series by saying "It'd be stupid for it to just be a nostalgia-filled callback to the original show. What did you expect, Cooper to eat cherry pie while looking at the camera and smiling?!" Whoo boy...)
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I don't think you're being completely fair with that kind of comment, considering that they earned this part's references and was actually integrated into the story.
 
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Dusk Golem

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Emperor_Uriel said:
Much, much better episode than the last few. No time wasted, every scene was coherent, there was a concrete narrative that could be followed from start to finish, sprinkled with additional bits of intrigue that contributed to the overall mystery.

It's so, so weird that we get episodes like this and 7, and yet they're always spaced out by a handful of clunkers.

(On a slightly more smug note, I also love that people were defending the new direction of the series by saying "It'd be stupid for it to just be a nostalgia-filled callback to the original show. What did you expect, Cooper to eat cherry pie while looking at the camera and smiling?!" Whoo boy...)
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I've said this multiple times, but I've loved the original Twin Peaks and nearly every film he's made, there's been tinges of a lot of things Lynch during this season and I've loved all of it, probably aligned that I also have enjoyed all of his films and the original series a lot. I can certainly see how this episode would please some crowds more than others, and the same goes for Part 8. Personally speaking I think Parts 8 & 11 are some of the best of the show so far, but for wildly different reasons.

I also think Part 9 & 10 had a place though, I'm curious once the series is over and a little time to reflect what peoples episode rankings may be.
 
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Emperor_Uriel said:
Much, much better episode than the last few. No time wasted, every scene was coherent, there was a concrete narrative that could be followed from start to finish, sprinkled with additional bits of intrigue that contributed to the overall mystery.

It's so, so weird that we get episodes like this and 7, and yet they're always spaced out by a handful of clunkers.

(On a slightly more smug note, I also love that people were defending the new direction of the series by saying "It'd be stupid for it to just be a nostalgia-filled callback to the original show. What did you expect, Cooper to eat cherry pie while looking at the camera and smiling?!" Whoo boy...)
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To be fair, the cherry pie scene was very bittersweet. It's a dream that Cooper is going to have to wake up from sooner or later. If Coop had his mind back, that scene never would have happened.
 
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Also, is Lynch a fan of Se7en? I mean, box, in the desert, "what's in the box", anyone?
 
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That promo trailer with the cut of Cole heavily obscured by light as he seemingly shakes the camera was from this episode, right? I know in the wake of episode 8 people were speculating that it was foreshadowing Cole being a sinister Lodge agent, but it looks like it was (relatively) mundane.
 
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Wow, fantastic episode. That ending with everyone thanking Dougie for saving them makes Dougie all worth it. One poster's insight earlier that Dougie is basically Cooper distilled and that's the point was on the money.

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Also, is Lynch a fan of Se7en? I mean, box, in the desert, "what's in the box", anyone?
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That's absolutely what I was thinking when that scene hit. Was even screaming to my sister "What's in the booooooooooox?"
 
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Buttonbasher said:
Yeah it's a new Badalamenti composition, that contains a version of 'Sycamore Trees' from the season two finale. Cooper reacted to it as such because he saw and heard Jimmy Scott performing it in The Red Room (while being blasted with strobe lights).

I got wildly excited when I caught the melody. Even the faster parts are still taken from that song, just arranged super differently.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg0HyJpvI
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I don't get how people get Sycamore Trees from that song. In that slow part of the song (I assume what the guy plays throughout the scene is the same song and the slow part is just one section of it) the first three notes go like the "and I'll see you" part sang by Jimmy Scott on Sycamore Trees and that's it. There are no more melodies going like Sycamore Trees. There are really no chord progressions going like it except the couple of chords right in the and of the slow part.

Or at least I just don't hear it. I could be wrong but I think that moment in that scene is supposed to be about something else than him remembering Jimmy Scott in the Red Room. I think it's more related to him looking at somber Sonny Jim than remembering a certain song. I think it might be about him finding different emotions in different ways. He has now gotten empathy and sadness from both another human (Sonny Jim) and from an abstract thing (music).


Emperor_Uriel said:
(On a slightly more smug note, I also love that people were defending the new direction of the series by saying "It'd be stupid for it to just be a nostalgia-filled callback to the original show. What did you expect, Cooper to eat cherry pie while looking at the camera and smiling?!" Whoo boy...)
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Lol, true :D
 
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Loved the episode - it's got a bit of narrative drive and character work to go with the expected blend of humour and horror.

- Loved the score and the camera work with Becky at the apartment.
- Karl with the flute summon caught me completely off guard causing me to do a spit take.
- The FBI stuff was a bit dull this go around - would like to see that move a bit faster.
- Bobby's transformation has been a joy to watch. Shelly's non-transformation as well too.
- The woman with zombie kid scene fulfilled my WTF quota for the week. Incredible.
- Jim Belushi's dream stuff was hilarious. The cherry pie reveal was fantastic.
- Cooper still making people believe there is good in this world in his own way (as it ever was) warms my heart.
- I need that piano piece at the credits. Badalamenti magic.
 
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This series is going to end with Dougie Coop joining the FBI with the entire cast laughing at something he just did while original Coop is screaming like Bob inside of him, isn't it?

I think I've finally accepted that we aren't going to see original Coop either at all or until the very end. It makes me sad but that is the main driving force of the show and the show is the greatest thing on TV right now so I guess it's fine. The Dougie scenes are getting old from a progression standpoint but it is still funny to see him getting dragged along and bumbling his way through scenes. It does seem like they are dragging him along faster too which is good.
 
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