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Ubi: NX will "recapture lapsed Wii players," Nintendo "addressing the family market"
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LordRaptor
Member
The same Take Two whose parents were killed by VR?
Are they pro-Nintendo or still just against VR?
Well thats rare never played that, is it good?
Lets just wait for tgs, it looks like rockstar is on board.
Recatching the Wii audience according to Ubisoft,Take Two being very interested instead remaining sceptical... could be worse.
Thejackburton
Banned
When will they learn. Wii was a novelty and people bought it for the novelty games with the wifi remote. That's why the same people never bought the wii u and will not buy the nx
The only thing I can think of that may possibly recapture the casual market for Nintendo, is hologram technology (which Nintendo in fact recently patented).
If somehow akin to the 3DS's 3D capabilities, Nintendo can create an impressive hologram capable gaming system to work on a standard television (and at a reasonable price unlike say a PS4+PSVR combo), then I think it might work in recapturing the casual market.
Might I add, I don't think a gimmick like this would ever be a success for a Sony or Microsoft console, but proper 3D gaming implementation combined with Nintendo franchise games like Zelda/Mario Kart/Pokemon/Super Mario, etc...can be a winning combo.
If somehow akin to the 3DS's 3D capabilities, Nintendo can create an impressive hologram capable gaming system to work on a standard television (and at a reasonable price unlike say a PS4+PSVR combo), then I think it might work in recapturing the casual market.
Might I add, I don't think a gimmick like this would ever be a success for a Sony or Microsoft console, but proper 3D gaming implementation combined with Nintendo franchise games like Zelda/Mario Kart/Pokemon/Super Mario, etc...can be a winning combo.
I know I'm coming in late to this conversation, but... man, as long as they focus on someone. I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I've said this either. The Wii exploded because they focused on the casual market and did it well. The PS4 exploded because they focused on the core market and did it well. Then you have the Wii U and the Xbox One, where they were trying to sell it to everyone by explaining that it was a thing that played video games television sports with a voice operated tablet controller and they ended up satisfying nobody because who was that even for.
Iwata used to constantly spout this idea that casual gamers could be turned into core gamers. I don't think I've ever seen that work and Nintendo certainly didn't make it work, so I'd rather they not try it again unless they figure out what arcane magicks they need to set in place to turn lead into gold. There are whales in the mobile market, but I don't think think the people who get addicted to little purchases are the same people who spend two hundred bucks on a game with a special edition artbook and a statuette of a headless bikini-wearing zombie.
Iwata used to constantly spout this idea that casual gamers could be turned into core gamers. I don't think I've ever seen that work and Nintendo certainly didn't make it work, so I'd rather they not try it again unless they figure out what arcane magicks they need to set in place to turn lead into gold. There are whales in the mobile market, but I don't think think the people who get addicted to little purchases are the same people who spend two hundred bucks on a game with a special edition artbook and a statuette of a headless bikini-wearing zombie.
geordiemp
Member
Agree, I have zero interest in the WiiU, but a Wii with absolute (not mouse like but calibrated 1;1 with your TV size) would be great.
Bring back the light gun games (which never really felt right on Wii with relative movements).
I would but a second console just for light gun done right.
Skittzo0413
Member
I love all these "can't believe they haven't learned" posts which completely ignore the Wii U was created as a console for the core gamer first, with Nintendo hoping the casual market would come along due to the Wii name. It was clearly a horrible idea and it blew up in their faces.
But the only times where Nintendo have actually designed the console to focus specifically on the casual market (Wii/DS) they have had massive, MASSIVE success. With a lot of core gamers getting hyped about Zelda BotW and Nintendo potentially coming out with another Wii-like gimmick, an NX around PS4 level could do gangbusters.
Could being key word.
But the only times where Nintendo have actually designed the console to focus specifically on the casual market (Wii/DS) they have had massive, MASSIVE success. With a lot of core gamers getting hyped about Zelda BotW and Nintendo potentially coming out with another Wii-like gimmick, an NX around PS4 level could do gangbusters.
Could being key word.
Thrashinuva
Banned
This is starting to sound like I'm getting Zelda for the Wii U.
I think people need to at least let them announce before dismissing it outright. There's is nothing conceptually wrong with the concept of the gamepad. It's a traditional controller with an added screen. What went wrong is that the technology is limited and expensive and Nintendo undershot what horsepower developers needed to produce the content they want. It is totally possible(maybe even likely) that Nintendo will make those exact same mistakes again but its also possible they find a cheaper, less limited USP and also release a console that meets developers requirements.
Hell if they hadn't boneheadedly insisted on keeping PPC design and a super low power consumption the Wii U might have been in a much better position with a lot more software support. It wasn't all the gamepad's fault.
Hell if they hadn't boneheadedly insisted on keeping PPC design and a super low power consumption the Wii U might have been in a much better position with a lot more software support. It wasn't all the gamepad's fault.
both 3ds and wii u were attempts to bridge the markets, using more gimmicky means than their predecessors to get people on board. motion controls and touch screens were not widespread technology in 2006 and 2004, but nintendo's software helped make sense of it in entertainment and paved the way for other applications.
i think there is a lot to be said for where the market is, and who were buying wii and ds systems. and i think that yes - a lot of people are either on mobile or pc now, but that doesn't mean everyone is. i feel like there's a really underserved market that was ignored right about 2012 that might be interested in something interesting, new, and accessible. what that is, i don't know. nintendo needs to actually be sure to believe in it this time though. with the 3ds and the wii u, they didn't have stuff at launch to justify their hardware decisions and only two years after each platform launched they had stuff that made some more sense (a link between worlds for 3ds, and splatoon and mario maker for wii u).
that said, for those expecting a lot of third-party support: i wouldn't. instead, i would look at what they're doing with 3ds in western markets as an indication of nintendo moving forward: they'll be more or less curating a library of exclusives from third-parties to play to their strengths. i think they were hurt by the initial promise of support for 3ds and wii u devolving rapidly into what eventually turned out for each platform, and want to better manage expectations this time around for all parties involved.
AusRoachman
Member
Give me a cheap machine , on par with a ps4 , backwards compatable and throw in a few packin wiiugames I would buy it instantly .
My kids still love some of the wii games and out of all the machines they still have the most family friendly games , they have a large catalogue of amazing wiiu games that majority never played , if they pack them in it would provide great value for parents / buyers .
Plus with the new zelda looking amazing , an upgraded nx version on release would be a huge drawcard.
My kids still love some of the wii games and out of all the machines they still have the most family friendly games , they have a large catalogue of amazing wiiu games that majority never played , if they pack them in it would provide great value for parents / buyers .
Plus with the new zelda looking amazing , an upgraded nx version on release would be a huge drawcard.
Saoshyant
Member
Indeed, just look at this stuff:
A robot toy? A toy gun you point at the TV??
A modem for mom to check her banking account from home??
Tetris?? My aunt won't give my Game Boy back!
Edutainment? They are doing edutainment now??
Nintendo does NOT respect true gamers with all their casual products. You'd imagine they would have changed course by now, but nope, after all this time they still refuse to see the light. They are doomed to be irrelevant.
Thank god Sega has Mortal Kombat with full blood. I'd never play it censored on the SNE--
...Wait, what year is this again? Oh. Oh dear, I grew up to be a grumpy old man. Don't end up like me, everyone.
Skittzo0413
Member
They initially talked about the Wii U and the 3DS as core-focused consoles, and you're definitely right that the various features involved in both were attempts to bridge the market, but if you look at the software at launch (and for a while after) for both consoles, they were essentially "core" titles. There was nothing like Wii Sports, even Warioware took forever to come out on Wii U. I think this is where we have confirmation that they've improved- the 3DS struggling severely hampered potential Wii U software, and building a common ecosystem immediately solves that issue.
As for third party support I totally agree. I expect some token efforts at launch and possibly a Ubisoft exclusive like BGE2 but after that, unless the console really takes off in a Wii or PS4 like way, we shouldn't expect any more. I think Nintendo knows this though, that they need the install base before third parties will offer support based on recent comments, and presumably they're preparing enough of their own software to help build that install base. That and Japanese third parties should help pad out the launch a bit.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
What? Where is this from?
Saoshyant
Member
AusRoachman
Member
2K released Carnival Games on the Wii which was very succesful. Wouldn't expect much out of them.
It really is going to be interesting. How can they come up with a truly new way to play games that is conceptually different from their earlier hardware, that can still play titles like Zelda:Breath of the Wild?
I hope that we see something as fresh, innovative, shocking, and intuitive as the Wii remote. The Gamepad was a really poor follow up to what made the Wii so special.
I do think that Nintendo is capable of shocking us like that again. And I do not necessarily think that the innovation needs to come from their controller for them to blaze trails again. I'm dying to see the NX at this point.
True Radiant Free
Banned
It's all about exclusives nowadays anyway. Third-party titles pale in comparison to a solid first-party exclusive like Mario, Zelda, inFamous, Ratchet And Clank, Halo, etc. I couldn't care less if NX doesn't get every Far Cry, Call of Duty clone out there.
Saoshyant
Member
I guess people are afraid it would be similar to a Gamecube to Wii situation, which similarly had a multi-platform Zelda release. But thing is, NX could never be too "gimmicky" no matter what since they seem to have the intention on building on it as a platform from here onward, including mobile and home. You couldn't do that sort of thing with the Wii or the Virtual Boy or even the old DS. It has to stay simple: one screen, buttons, nothing that could be a bother to carry around, etc.
I think people should just chill out and wait for the reveal. What's the point of freaking out over rumors and hearsay? Or in this particular case, a statement from someone on Ubisoft saying that Nintendo wants to get all the people they lost in the transition from the Wii to the U. Of course they do! That was a ridiculous number of consumers they lost. I'd want to get those back too if I were them. But it doesn't mean anything in the end.
Their are millions of new families and gamers who will replace the old Wii owners, even if every one has moved on. Nintendo are the best.
callhitman
Member
My bet Nintendo is gonna drop a handheld hybrid system. Like most people have been guessing. It's on part with current ps4 it will sell. I think the mid generation upgrade so eyes and Ms are doing is going to give Nintendo the room they need to steal people away.
It's physically impossible to make a handheld even half as powerful as PS4, even in 2017. 2018 might be enough... for it to be half as powerful as PS4 if using a 10nm process.
If Zelda is the direction they are going count me in. They said they are making a lot more "big" games like Zelda. And Miyamoto said he's doing the same thing Zelda did with Mario.
So we have their words, and proof of said change vs Just Dance boss.
I personally will take them at their words. They have changed.
So we have their words, and proof of said change vs Just Dance boss.
I personally will take them at their words. They have changed.
Instead of a castle a entire hub city where are the areas seemlessly blend together! Amazing!
Alebrije
Member
The moment when I hear CDPR,Rockstar,Bethesda and From are working with Nintendo; will be when the NX will have a chance to compete
Ubi is not a good reference , we just need to see what happned after ZombiU, and a Dance game is not enough.
Its good to see they trying to do something different but it does not means they can not work with more Western developers or even japanese ones like From or Square Enix.
Ubi is not a good reference , we just need to see what happned after ZombiU, and a Dance game is not enough.
Its good to see they trying to do something different but it does not means they can not work with more Western developers or even japanese ones like From or Square Enix.
Mithos
Member
Indeed, we need to hear, Witcher 3, GTA 5 "NX" Edition, Skyrim SE, Fallout 4 etc etc. Carnival Games and the likes NOT SO MUCH.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
FTFY
Even then it's going to be late ports, the same type of port that bombed on Wii U.
Honestly, don't expect 3rd party support at all on NX, the audience won't be there.
Alebrije
Member
Endeed
Kids are on tablets , Nintendo need to approach the Adult market since is the one that play on consoles
Nintendo should see this video :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMRnlWf2P0
Most of those people are adults and surely play Souls games and other stuff. You need to be 17 years old to go E3 bit most of the people o the video is over 20s
Even if Nintendo released a Scorpio class console for $250 with XBL class online with no fee and marketed heavily to core audiences you wouldn't be getting that support any time soon. They're going to have to build up no matter what. We'll have to see what the publishers they already have existing ties to are willing to throw their way first and then more importantly they need to be shown those efforts are worthwhile.
At this point in time, which titles are actually confirmed?
Except for Zelda BotW, Dragon Quest XI (sort of) and Just Dance there haven't been any other confirmations, right?
Plus, I always think that Nintendo has another view of games which can be enjoyed by "the family". I assume they'll won't try again with the Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Party type of titles again. Seeing their output for the past couple of years, I'd say they want more platformers, adventure and the like on their systems.
Except for Zelda BotW, Dragon Quest XI (sort of) and Just Dance there haven't been any other confirmations, right?
Plus, I always think that Nintendo has another view of games which can be enjoyed by "the family". I assume they'll won't try again with the Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Party type of titles again. Seeing their output for the past couple of years, I'd say they want more platformers, adventure and the like on their systems.