More_Badass
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Thing is Rainbow Six used to be awesome single player
That's the point. From great SP campaigns to no SP
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Ubisoft confirms that Rainbow Six: Siege will NOT feature a single-player campaign
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That's the point. From great SP campaigns to no SP
used to be great a decade ago.
they can't make a good r6, they know it. It's why Patriots was scrapped and they just focused on MP instead
toddhunter
Member
The series has not been mutliplayer focused.
They are less of a game, because you can only play a multiplayer-only title if:
a) The servers are still active.
b) you have somebody to play against.
Sometimes those conditions are met, sooner or later (mostly sooner) those conditions will not be met and you can't play your game.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
This. If you are going all in on multiplayer, at least do it right.
Huh? R6 games had good to great campaigns...
They do use dedicated servers, but communication and party info is P2P for some reason. So if the person who is the host for that part leaves, it will migrate the communication to another player.
BigJonsson
Member
I thought it was supposed to have some sort of single player story, after playing the beta I'm not sure if I should keep my pre-order, reminds me too much of Evolve =/
Even at 50 dollars Canadian after a discount I dunno if it's something I'd play a ton of with all the other games coming out around the same time
Even at 50 dollars Canadian after a discount I dunno if it's something I'd play a ton of with all the other games coming out around the same time
Every Splinter Cell after Chaos Theory has been garbage. Ubisoft ruined that franchise long ago.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
I can confirm that Rainbow Six: Siege will NOT feature a purchase from me. I actually had fun with the SP campaigns from past Rainbow Six games, so this is a bummer.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I don't like the negativity about a game like r6 being multiplayer only. It is definitely a franchise that has had a strong multiplayer history, so why not try one that focuses completely on making a great multiplayer game?
There are plenty of single player games out there and no one will begrudge you for not buying siege. But saying it is a failure because of this announcement and otherwise being very negative, that is disappointing to see.
There are plenty of single player games out there and no one will begrudge you for not buying siege. But saying it is a failure because of this announcement and otherwise being very negative, that is disappointing to see.
Yeah I can't see this doing too well ... It doesn't play like, or have single player scenarios like R6, Rogue Spear or Raven Shield. And the gunplay/gameplay is nothing like the R6 games which were popular on the OG Xbox (or even Vegas).
LMAO truth. It's such a struggle trying to play a shooter that isn't CS:GO, CoD or Battlefield when you're in Aus/NZ lol.
LMAO truth. It's such a struggle trying to play a shooter that isn't CS:GO, CoD or Battlefield when you're in Aus/NZ lol.
ChasingComets
Member
Didn't they mention this multiple times already?
poodaddy
Member
Titanfall, Battlefront? Come on man, you know it doesn't take many games to start the trend, especially when they're high profile AAA games. Titanfall, Battlefront, and now this. That's three highly anticipated titles in a relatively short span of time that's decided to dump SP, and we're not even counting the literally hundreds of titles like this on steam. You can disagree with how I feel about these types of games all you want, but I promise that in five more years this will be the norm for a large segment of shooters and that many studios will simply see hiring writers as extraneous and unnecessary. It's probably smarter from a budget perspective, and for sure it will allow for better organization and more punctual development schedules, but I just don't dig online multiplayer at all so I'm in the extremely biased minority :/
Didn't Evolve have the best playable monsters locked out as dlc? That's what I was referring to as player fragmentation, Happy to be corrected as I did not play any of the Dlc for Evolve.
The beta is basically in the exact same state as the alpha but with worse matchmaking.
If the reviews aren't glowing and show off that the game improved leaps and bounds, then I'm getting a refund and quitting Ubisoft games.
The core gameplay and ideas are there, but the state of the beta really has me convinced that they will not put any more effort into the fucking thing.
All of this talk about reinvigorating the franchise and they're fucking half assing it.
How they came up with an October release date is hilarious given what the game is right now, and I doubt there will be any major upgrades come release.
Also, fucking hilarious that there is no VIP rescue in the beta - I'm positive that all of the gameplay that they showed off initially was completely scripted and played out like a fucking cutscene. We will probably get lifeless not-animated VIPs in the final game. It really wouldn't surprise me at this point if that dynamic stuff was a total lie.
If the reviews aren't glowing and show off that the game improved leaps and bounds, then I'm getting a refund and quitting Ubisoft games.
The core gameplay and ideas are there, but the state of the beta really has me convinced that they will not put any more effort into the fucking thing.
All of this talk about reinvigorating the franchise and they're fucking half assing it.
How they came up with an October release date is hilarious given what the game is right now, and I doubt there will be any major upgrades come release.
Also, fucking hilarious that there is no VIP rescue in the beta - I'm positive that all of the gameplay that they showed off initially was completely scripted and played out like a fucking cutscene. We will probably get lifeless not-animated VIPs in the final game. It really wouldn't surprise me at this point if that dynamic stuff was a total lie.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
If you don't own the monster, that just means you can't play as it, but you can play against it. This means your playerbase is not split up based on DLC owned.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Really? Have you ever played Rainbow Six at all?
Oh alright then, I retract my jab at Evolves fragmentation then! It would still be very unfair to only have access to the lesser characters but that is not fragmentation.
With good to great single player that the series is also known for.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
pfffftttt should have kept this game, anyone remember this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCQysh2Ci0c
EDIT: Just noticed, does the van driver sound like Elias Toufexis to anyone else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCQysh2Ci0c
EDIT: Just noticed, does the van driver sound like Elias Toufexis to anyone else
I remember that...would had liked that!!!
Gamezone
Gold Member
Looks like a Battlefield or CoD single player mode. Also a wau to ruin Rainbow Six.
Not surprised.
Why would it not?
Meanwhile I've been playing it daily since the technical test began.
Why would it not?
Meanwhile I've been playing it daily since the technical test began.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The game has dedicated servers though...
They clarified that a few times.
There's some voice host migration you get in the beta when someone drops but they cleared up what that means already
Tired of people devaluing a game purely due to it being MP focussed.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I seem to remember that they couldn't get to work out. Into a full game at least.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I'm allowed to not buy them as well.
The Lone Courier
Member
It is Elias.
Damn wish we got this instead.
So is Basset still in this? They made a big deal about bringing her out on stage at E3.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Why the hell did they hire Angela Basset? Is she going to be the mp announcer lol.
See, this looked awesome. What a damn loss. Multiplayer doesn't even look comprehensive or polished enough to justify being multiplayer only, whilst this campaign target looked strong. I really enjoyed past Rainbow Six campaigns, so this is a big loss in terms of enjoyable noteworthy content and value proposition for me.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
It is to a lot of people. We'll see how this works out for them in the npds.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Ok.
Those people are quite narrow minded but entitled to their opinion. Your second sentence is quite petty. If they don't do great in NPDs it would be quite sad to shame them for daring not to a single player component.
AzureSkies
Member
Judging by the beta, I could see this being the next DriveClub or MCC on release.
good luck ubi lol
good luck ubi lol
Absolutely not.
A.D. Skinner
Member
My opinion will always be the same as it has been.
I don't particularly have an issue with a game being MP only, bit let me see it in the content and quality of it. In the support and everything it has to offer. I don't want it to feel like it's exactly as it would have been, but with no SP.
Besides, as many have said...R6 had great stories. The destruction and gadgets, co op this title could have offered, would have been brilliant.
I don't particularly have an issue with a game being MP only, bit let me see it in the content and quality of it. In the support and everything it has to offer. I don't want it to feel like it's exactly as it would have been, but with no SP.
Besides, as many have said...R6 had great stories. The destruction and gadgets, co op this title could have offered, would have been brilliant.
Depending on the kind of MP we're talking about, generally it is to me. I always just find multiplayer far less impressive in terms of production values, and as a result, value proposition, despite differences in actual play time. You have a bunch of maps, unlockables, weapons etc, all of which you have in most SP campaigns and then some, and granted the modes and balancing takes huge effort, but I've always personally assigned more value to well done single player experiences, where pacing, higher production values, more complex map and stage designs, unique encounter design, AI, narrative, voice acting, animations, set pieces, more emotionally weighty and diverse missions, cut scenes and all the rest come in to play on top of everything else. The latter just strike me as more demanding of time, and more expensive and costly to get right, which is why I think more games are simply cutting it out.
I don't really care if even Battlefield and Call of Duty campaigns aren't the best in the world, they're still fun. I'd rather them just do a decent single player campaign and delay the game if need to be to get it right, than simply cut it out. The latter is a cop out imo, especially when the multiplayer experiences really do not differ all that much.
I got bored of waiting to find a fucking game!
This and the fact its pretty janky, feels rushed and is already quite visually dated.
Halve the price, get some proper dedicated servers and you have a chance at keeping a decent fanbase. As it is I think we can all feel that the game will be a wasteland in the not to distant future unfortunately.
This is my feeling. All their "everything should be always online or integrated with other apps" gets on my nerves. It's like they read my mind and do the opposite of whatever I think doesn't suck.
Rogue Spear, as I said earlier, was the series at its height for me. The Vegas games were a bit of fun, but all I did was play terrorist hunt and didn't sink in the same 15+ hours a week.
I feel a sense of obligation to buy this, but if I wasn't getting a decent deal I'd probably wait.
Gemüsepizza
Member
This is not surprising at all. Do you guys remember the previously announced games in this franchise? This series has been in development hell for years. Ubisoft then propably decided to pull the plug, and ordered a small team to make at least something out of the scraps. And this something was Rainbow Six: Siege. A low budget MP-only shooter, sold at full price. This is just a quick cash-grab to at least recoup some of the losses.
Wasn't this the game were they forced you to make "controversial decisions"? I always thought this idea was horrible.
Wasn't this the game were they forced you to make "controversial decisions"? I always thought this idea was horrible.