Skirmish 4. I fell through the map when trying to hop over a trench.
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Skirmish 4. I fell through the map when trying to hop over a trench.
So a brand new bug! lol
Not even the watchful eye of Japan QA could catch everything...
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Thinking about picking this up. Beat the first one, one of my favorite games of all time. Mostly wondering about performance? What's the framerate and is it stable?
60fps. Framerate is pretty rock solid outside of a few very rare instances.
Nose Master
Member
Smoke bomb is so broken. AI that are around it just can't / don't do anything. Using it on Mission 15
let me just bumble up to the third switch. "OH NO GUNZ" mid running through smoke to pop it.
You may or may not need to repeat a mission or two once and awhile. I wouldn't worry about it.
IT CAME! IT FINALLY CAME!
along with it as I got home I saw another package waiting for me, got this neat modded dualshock 4 with xbone thumbsticks. hopefully it works well.
Got mine yesterday the box is so nice
The Artisan
Member
yeah man. how much did you play it? i had to suspend right at the first gameplay part I think...where there are cursors and stuff and the first set of "scouts" or whatever right at the beginning of the game
Benzychenz
Member
Beat chapter 7 which I remember seeing everyone bitch about 
So is it smooth sailing from here?
So is it smooth sailing from here?
Best scout rushing map is
chapter 12
Beat chapter 7 which I remember seeing everyone bitch about
So is it smooth sailing from here?
Nope. Unless you cheat! Chapters 10B, 14, 17 are all waiting for you!
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Beat chapter 7 which I remember seeing everyone bitch about
So is it smooth sailing from here?
For a for chapters but it picks up again with the best maps (in my opinion). You can see my false sense of security after chapter 7 get shattered above haha.
I've made it through most of the hard skirmishes now but I feel like all that's left is some grinding. Not sure I can be bother getting the last few weapons and then all of the hidden potentials.....
Nose Master
Member
Best scout rushing map is.chapter 12
Nope. Unless you cheat! Chapters 10B, 14, 17 are all waiting for you!
I might be bad, but 15B is giving me a good old fashioned rogering atm.
I'm thinking about attempting to beat this game without ever using scouts. Think it's possible?
Without scouts... I don't think so (certain mission turn requirements are too strict for how little AP other classes have). Engineers are broken at level 20 as a replacement, but it takes a while to get there, and it's not because of movement that those potentials are strong.
By the way if you want a tip for 15B; smoke erryday and watch them sight lines (make sure it's light blue)
15B can be easy or hard depending on one turn or placement. Here's my basic game plan for that level.
Only deploy rosie, largo, alicia and maybe one engineer to heal tanks if they need it. Make sure to get that engineer into cover though first round or they will be picked off. Use largo to take out the tank on the right by running behind the buildings. Leave him back there under the cover of the buidings for now. Defense/awaken potential Alicia. run her up the right hand side, take out the AT gun and then capture the base. Now here is where you can cheese the whole map by just taking her right up to Selvaria and taking care of business. you may run out of turns though. You can play it safe here by waiting and deploying a shocktrooper and lancer and ending turn. use the lancer to take out the gatling gun up the stairs. Now you can bring your shockie and alicia up further closer to the next camp. prioritize taking out the tank and then the camp. Now you are in perfect position. I like to play around and deploy a sniper at this new camp to clear the path to selvaria. Yuu can use three cp on your lancer to take out the tank on the top level. if you are feeling cheeky use largo on the bottom to take out the tank down there by running behind it since its probably moved up by now. then use him to take out that gun on the bottom too. Now you can defense/awaken alicia run her up to Selvaria and take her out or if you are feeling REALLY cheeky you can use rosie and run up the left side to take out the other two camps before winning the map.
It gets easier the more times you do it.
Yep, just finished grinding its skirmish equivalent and maxed everyone out.
Nose Master
Member
I ended up beating it by just shooting smoke bombs at
titty monster
shot at her with a scout from the left side and then snuck up with a shocktrooper on the right.
Most enemy turns were just calling in reinforcements, and Selvaria running back and forth along the wall over and over.
I'm totally gonna try the scoutless run. The big desert maps are the only ones I'm concerned about.
Cornbread78
Member
Yo, looks like they missed this, but there are a bunch of links and quoted stuff in the OP for newbies to read up about the game. Those should help a lot...
Finished this last night. Never managed to finish it back in the day (because of chapter 7) so it was great finally seeing the ending. Really enjoyed it and it had some nice twists and turns and some feels. I wasn't a fan of some of the gimmick missions (7-13) but the last few missions were dynamite. Not going to lie I did grind skirmishes and Scout scummed a little.
Kinda want to try get these trophies but they seem a bit grindy and I don't want to burn out on this so I might move on.
I can't believe how badly Sega botched marketing this game back in the day. The series deserves to be so much more.
Kinda want to try get these trophies but they seem a bit grindy and I don't want to burn out on this so I might move on.
I can't believe how badly Sega botched marketing this game back in the day. The series deserves to be so much more.
brickarts295
Member
Finished and it was awesome.
also,
Don't worry Anung, I grinned the shit out of the skirmishes as well, I just wanted the squad to be maxed out just in case XD
also,
anyone bothered by the fact that Leon was flying a plane with his eyes closed O_O
Don't worry Anung, I grinned the shit out of the skirmishes as well, I just wanted the squad to be maxed out just in case XD
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
When I actually want someone to die the enemy just isn't interested.... sigh.
Edit: haha they really didn't change the dialogue for the medal when someone dies? I'm not sure accomplishment is the right word Princess....
Edit 2: Getting all those medals was considerably my grindy than I expected.
So what's supposed to be wrong with VC2 exactly? Other than being a portable game instead of a full console sequel game of course. I'm still thinking of picking it up.
Edit: haha they really didn't change the dialogue for the medal when someone dies? I'm not sure accomplishment is the right word Princess....
Edit 2: Getting all those medals was considerably my grindy than I expected.
So what's supposed to be wrong with VC2 exactly? Other than being a portable game instead of a full console sequel game of course. I'm still thinking of picking it up.
Finished this game on PS3 and PC but decided to go for the platinum in this version and do all the post game stuff so decided to do the hard skirmish missions and I couldn't believe they actually programmed a splash sound effect, did the first skirmish, rushed Rosie across the bridge, tripped a land mine, she got launched over the railing into the river *splash * lol.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Thanks. I get the picture now. It's a shame. Maybe they'll be something like this again one day.
Splash Wave
Member
Fuck me. I just spent ~2 hours trying to cheese Selvaria's Last Stand, and I didn't make any progress. How do I get her to stop dodging the killing blow?
Jimnymebob
Member
I'm wondering if I'd enjoy this game. I'm a fan of the art style, and I always thought it looked interesting, but I'm not sure if I'd actually enjoy it.
Is it similar to the new X-Com in anyway, or do you have more control over your characters? I remember someone mentioning it was like a RTS JRPG with WWII theme meets turn based Worms gameplay; is that accurate in anyway?
Is it similar to the new X-Com in anyway, or do you have more control over your characters? I remember someone mentioning it was like a RTS JRPG with WWII theme meets turn based Worms gameplay; is that accurate in anyway?
If she's facing the unit she'll probably dodge every time.
Distract her with another unit. Pick a unit on her other side to get her attention. Even at range since while damage is nice it's not really necessary. Alternate between the two units who shoot from behind her. She's powerful though so you might want to pop into view so she just turns around instead of shootinh her if her retaliating fire is too strong.
If you really want to cheese her this is what I did 2nd playthrough when i was rushing through but that tactic is the exact same since by then gear is good enough.
on the turn you want to kill here make sure you have Alicia somewhat close to her (1-2 CP away) and a lot of spare CP. Use the Orders Awaken Potential, Attack Up, Neutralize and Penetration on her which will cost 6 CP. You can do Defence boost as well of the tanks take too.kuch out. Run in behind her and let the tanks next to her intercept fire of Alicia until half her health is gone and the Valkyria potential kicks in. Then using a decent damage weapon (the 7 shot ones will be fine) line her head up from directly behind amd Alicia should kill her in one turn
You can do the same with powerful Shocktroopers but they'll take ages to get to her.
Chapter 15B tips:
Deploy as few units as necessary
the threat upstairs as soon as you can
Don't bother dragging the Edelweiss upstairs, in fact don't bother much with Edelweiss at all (cost and return isn't worth it outside the
)
Don't move the Shamrock at all
Once you've captured the entirety of one side (I recommend going left; it's a little easier to crack through) call up Shocktroopers that have the "Undodgeable Shot" potential
Use "Awaken Potential" and "Neutralize" on a Shocktrooper and prepare to battle. (I used Vyse, who has the additional benefit of "Challenge Lover" potential)
If you don't have Awaken Potential, try to abuse sight lines instead. From an earlier post I made:
Blue sight line = you can see enemy, enemy can't see you.
Yellow sight line = you and the enemy can see each other. Enemy can now evade or block if fired at.
Red sight line = you are within enemy's interception range.
Green sight line = you are within enemy's interception range, enemy is reloading.
Reminder that an enemy that can't see you or has their back to you can't dodge. If you shoot around walls, corners or other obstructions and you have a blue sight line, that's a guaranteed hit. This applies to all units. It also means you don't need Neutralize if you've properly gotten yourself in cover. It can be a bit hard to do when shooting units farther away though.
You can also apply Caution + Defense Boost to a Scout and try to force your way up to the top from either side. You'll probably have to stop at the first base and request additional firepower before continuing upwards, because you'll run out of AP and there's more defenses at the second base at each arm of the map. After capturing the second base is when the real fight starts.
Deploy as few units as necessary
Smoke
Don't bother dragging the Edelweiss upstairs, in fact don't bother much with Edelweiss at all (cost and return isn't worth it outside the
smoke bomb
Don't move the Shamrock at all
Once you've captured the entirety of one side (I recommend going left; it's a little easier to crack through) call up Shocktroopers that have the "Undodgeable Shot" potential
Use "Awaken Potential" and "Neutralize" on a Shocktrooper and prepare to battle. (I used Vyse, who has the additional benefit of "Challenge Lover" potential)
If you don't have Awaken Potential, try to abuse sight lines instead. From an earlier post I made:
Blue sight line = you can see enemy, enemy can't see you.
Yellow sight line = you and the enemy can see each other. Enemy can now evade or block if fired at.
Red sight line = you are within enemy's interception range.
Green sight line = you are within enemy's interception range, enemy is reloading.
Reminder that an enemy that can't see you or has their back to you can't dodge. If you shoot around walls, corners or other obstructions and you have a blue sight line, that's a guaranteed hit. This applies to all units. It also means you don't need Neutralize if you've properly gotten yourself in cover. It can be a bit hard to do when shooting units farther away though.
You can also apply Caution + Defense Boost to a Scout and try to force your way up to the top from either side. You'll probably have to stop at the first base and request additional firepower before continuing upwards, because you'll run out of AP and there's more defenses at the second base at each arm of the map. After capturing the second base is when the real fight starts.
Splash Wave
Member
I actually got lucky and made it all work almost immediately after writing that desperate post. Accuracy Boost and Camaraderie triggered for the last shot, making it actually hit. Thank goodness.
I would have loved having these tips when I started the game! I didn't realize the significance of those sight lines until your post. Whoops.
This game endeared itself to me in a big way, but I can't help but feel I like I did it a disservice by through the end. The mounting pressure of making it through my backlog got the better of me, unfortunately. I was almost going to go for the Platinum, but I'll probably just try VK2 once I have the desire to play again.
It's all good. When I played through the first time, I had a vague idea of how sight lines worked, but I had no idea about evasion and such because it's so rare that an enemy ever evaded that it never occurred to me how to avoid the problem (I used back to back snipers headshotting the boss in the back of the head for a C rank on my first run).
By the way I recommend skipping VC2 and going straight to VC3 (The games are standalone with fun cameos only, and VC2's story is so awful there's nothing to spoil). If you are OK with what VC3 offers, see if you can stomach VC2 after.
Chapter 7 Tips - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=204424318&highlight=#post204424318
Splash Wave
Member
Is VC2 really that bad? I can handle a shitty story, to be honest, especially if there are gameplay improvements. VC3 was never localized, right?
Neoleo2143
Member
It's...actually pretty bad. It's a rather large step back in terms of strategic possibility space, interesting character themes and dramatic tension. VC3 is more of an in between.
The gameplay improvements are only a few small changes (like notifying you which direction you're attacking someone, and making team attack ranges more lenient)
Everything else is worse. Much worse.
Pretty much the only good thing about the game is the music. That's because Sakamoto is a god. There's no game awful enough to contain him.
I've finished and have started going for A ranks on the skirmish maps.... and I'm amazed at how much you can just abuse Alicia to do almost all of them in one turn. It's pretty hilarious to get through a Hard ranked map with just her (and Largo + Rosie for the CP bonus). Of course, this is going to make going for that "# of enemies killed" trophy much harder.
Benzychenz
Member
Nobody told me this game was full of feels ;_;
So my experience with chapter 7:
First time through I was doing pretty good for my first try not having any clue what I was getting myself into, had all the turrets taken care of and maybe one radiator when the Lancer on the hill one-shotted my tank, game over. Stupid mistake.
Second time through I took a single Shock Trooper from the southern start point up the hill, and took out all those guys first turn. I got through the turrets as well but was having a much harder time of it this time. Lancer shots just weren't working out for me at all because I would try to peek around my tank or walls, and before I could bring up my aim I was either dead or lost 90% of my health by turret interception. So was using tank for the most part. Getting the radiators was actually relatively easy (never would have guessed to use grenades though), but waiting multiple turns for the tank to take a shot was frustrating.
showed up and wiped out anyone I had left North/NorthEast of the tank, but I had a Shocktrooper hidden in the walls to the South ready to take out the last radiator. Moved my tank between
and the ladder, and took out the last radiator pretty simple.
Here is where I really screwed up, because I really wasn't expecting having to take the tank out. I thought the last radiator would do it (which triggered a cutscene that I really thought would end the match), or at the very least the tank would run off after half health
So I really had a skeleton crew left at this point with one Lancer and my tank, and just couldn't take the tank out by the time I figured out what I was supposed to do.
I had my tank parked alongside the big tank facing east, as from the pre-mission figured this was a blindspot to the main guns. Had the tank down to ~25% or so and would have it the next turn, but from out of nowhere my tank got one-shotted in the back, game over. I don't really know how it happened, but it would have to be either the rear gun on the boss tank has a much larger range than indicated (as I was right up next to the side) or, more likely I think, reinforcement Lancer came in from the SW base that just got run over and that got me.
Either way, I have a save from just after
shows up, and will know to get a bunch more Lancer reinforcements from the SE base and place my tank better. Should be straightforward from here on out.
My biggest frustrations with the mission are waiting for the tank to take shots, and the turret interception fire continuing after I've started to aim. Grr. But most of that is behind me at least.
was almost a non-issue for me because once it arrives, it never moves (or didn't for me).
First time through I was doing pretty good for my first try not having any clue what I was getting myself into, had all the turrets taken care of and maybe one radiator when the Lancer on the hill one-shotted my tank, game over. Stupid mistake.
Second time through I took a single Shock Trooper from the southern start point up the hill, and took out all those guys first turn. I got through the turrets as well but was having a much harder time of it this time. Lancer shots just weren't working out for me at all because I would try to peek around my tank or walls, and before I could bring up my aim I was either dead or lost 90% of my health by turret interception. So was using tank for the most part. Getting the radiators was actually relatively easy (never would have guessed to use grenades though), but waiting multiple turns for the tank to take a shot was frustrating.
Selvaria
Selvaria
Here is where I really screwed up, because I really wasn't expecting having to take the tank out. I thought the last radiator would do it (which triggered a cutscene that I really thought would end the match), or at the very least the tank would run off after half health
like the last boss.
I had my tank parked alongside the big tank facing east, as from the pre-mission figured this was a blindspot to the main guns. Had the tank down to ~25% or so and would have it the next turn, but from out of nowhere my tank got one-shotted in the back, game over. I don't really know how it happened, but it would have to be either the rear gun on the boss tank has a much larger range than indicated (as I was right up next to the side) or, more likely I think, reinforcement Lancer came in from the SW base that just got run over and that got me.
Either way, I have a save from just after
Selvaria
My biggest frustrations with the mission are waiting for the tank to take shots, and the turret interception fire continuing after I've started to aim. Grr. But most of that is behind me at least.
Selvaria
Well, not to you in particular, but I did use that exact term in this very OT, though one should not find fault in missing post #357
Patch for a game remastered twice over? What are you expecting to be patched?
Splash Wave
Member
God, this game *really* drags toward the end.
Any tips for cheesing chapter 18 p.1? I'm not as strong as those in some of the strategy videos I've watched.
How close am I to the end?
Any tips for cheesing chapter 18 p.1? I'm not as strong as those in some of the strategy videos I've watched.
How close am I to the end?
Benzychenz
Member
In 15-2 how do you
Edit:
get behind Selvaria to attack? Even if I approach from her back she just turns right around and starts unloading. Am I meant to bring my tank all the way to her for smoke rounds?
Edit:
Tried again and it worked, must have been on a slight angle before?
Benzychenz
Member
It's too bad you did not look up, the tips are on the same page...
Whoops
Well that was mainly my strategy anyhow.
Used smoke on the left stairs at the start and had two scouts go up that way to clear out the enemies, then used Awaken Potential + Caution + Damage Boost on Alicia and used her to take out the tanks up top and capture all the bases.
It was then from there I had a scout on either side of Selvaria, but when I sent one in she turned around and starting shooting to my surprise, but then yeah, I tried with the other scout and she didn't turn around so yeah
DaanMuffin
Member
Been playing this game for a couple of hours. I'm reaally really really bad at it though. So far I don't mind the trial and error approach plus it feels so good when your tactics work out. On chapter 4 or 5 now and really enjoying it.
Benzychenz
Member
Ok, so the platinum doesn't seem too bad so I may as well go for it. I haven't been able to find a clear cut guide for it though so have a few questions.
Is there anything that isn't grindable at the end of NG+? I know you need to get all A ranks, unlock everyones hidden potentials (use them in battle a little?), and get all the weapons and upgrades. Anything else?
None of that should take too long right?
Other than that I know I need to let someone die for a medal, I'll do that now before I finish the game so that they're back for NG+.
Also how does finishing the game work? I know missions are repeatable in NG+, but does that work for the final mission too, or does that boot you to NG++?
Is there anything that isn't grindable at the end of NG+? I know you need to get all A ranks, unlock everyones hidden potentials (use them in battle a little?), and get all the weapons and upgrades. Anything else?
None of that should take too long right?
Other than that I know I need to let someone die for a medal, I'll do that now before I finish the game so that they're back for NG+.
Also how does finishing the game work? I know missions are repeatable in NG+, but does that work for the final mission too, or does that boot you to NG++?