Yep. It's basically looking like the Blu-Ray player business if you wanna compare it to other TV devices.
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Valve announces SteamOS
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Yep. It's basically looking like the Blu-Ray player business if you wanna compare it to other TV devices.
First of all, Valve most likely wont be building systems so they wont be paying for components, but even if they did, why wouldnt they pay Sony for BD drive and license for instance? Did Sony and Valve get into fight when they were in school or something?
It would be beneficial for Valve if their hardware partner builds proper HTPC with possible BD drive that plays movies perfectly. Software is something that Valve needs to provide. This needs to work from the box just like any console would.
I'm sorry dude, but I live in the year 2013. I haven't used a disc drive since 2010. I don't even use discs in my car.
Fragamemnon
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play it on your blu ray player. For many households-and this number is rapidly accelerating- the notion of physical discs is already dated. If you really want blu-ray on your Steambox, build your own or get one from an OEM and use whatever front-end app that the community has developed for Blu-Ray playback with SteamOS integration.
Speaking of which , do you think Valve is going to talk about any kind of general purpose application development support for SteamOS? We have apps available on Steam but those are desktop apps-I'm talking about basically being able to build apps with Steam UI theming and access to a cloud Steam data store to save information. For example, a Dota 2 loungue store where I can bet in-game rares directly from Steam rather than through their website.
angular graphics
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Valve will make their own box and sell it themselves they have confirmed that. But they'll release specs others can (should they want) follow as well.
ashecitism
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Was talking about Valve's own box. Others will be free to put in optical drives of course.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Each new version of Source? So, once every 10 years or so?
I'll probably give it a shot and see how it works, I already have a home theater PC in the bedroom that I was thinking of upgrading the video/processor to be more game friendly for some or the more controller friendly PC games. If I can stream from my main PC instead that would definitely be cheaper.
Not sure that I like it not running under Windows though since I still want to run Windows on that PC for other stuff. I guess I will need to go to a dual boot setup, hopefully the installer has an option to automatically do that otherwise I will need to find a boot loader I can use.
Not sure that I like it not running under Windows though since I still want to run Windows on that PC for other stuff. I guess I will need to go to a dual boot setup, hopefully the installer has an option to automatically do that otherwise I will need to find a boot loader I can use.
angular graphics
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Do people want to play only Source Engine games?
Also the Linux optimizations are not going to be "magical".
In fact most games will likely still perform a little better on Windows, at first.
Think of it like this, the PS3 didn't achieve parity on multiplatform releases until later as developers became familiar with it.
Also the Linux optimizations are not going to be "magical".
In fact most games will likely still perform a little better on Windows, at first.
Think of it like this, the PS3 didn't achieve parity on multiplatform releases until later as developers became familiar with it.
Patching in a Half Life 3 Arg obviously.
iceatcs
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I don't think we will see Valve own hardware system at all. Will make look lesser ecosystem, but it could be possible, example Android are doing like that.
Multi-partners hardware deal, very likely.
But I do think it will going to have Valve own controller pad, and 360 pad will not native support on SteamOS. Valve don't want anything with MS as it seem.
Multi-partners hardware deal, very likely.
But I do think it will going to have Valve own controller pad, and 360 pad will not native support on SteamOS. Valve don't want anything with MS as it seem.
TouchMyBox
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Steampipe.
Hugh Buelow
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The xpad module (360 controller driver) is in the linux kernel source and is included in all the distributions that I used since I got one for my PC. It might not be the recommended controller, but I'm sure it will be supported.
That would be a big negative for me, I already have the 360 controller for my PC and don't really want to buy or use a new controller.
Not even if it has a good d-pad?
ridethepiggy
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Huh? They are not going to block the 360 compatability since most games use it as a defacto controller. Valve isn't a company to limit options or functionality.
Syphon Filter
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They wouldn't not allow the 360 controller, they don't hate MS like that guy said.
Hugh Buelow
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You don't think developers are comfortable enough with Linux at this time?
I wonder. I wonder if we will see the Nexus of Steamboxes from valve. I'd like to see it, just to see a pure expression of their plan.
JSoup
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I'm in this boat, but mostly because I'm honestly not following what's so amazing about whatever this things does. Everything on the list I can already do via one or two methods.
All this Linux talk is just so much jargon as far as I'm concerned. I became a Windows user so I don't have to understand things, just push buttons.
Mushroomer25
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So, on the Giant Bombcast this week, I think Gerstmann might have accidentally figured the symbols out.
Day 1 - Circle - SteamOS
Day 2 - Circle in box - Basic SteamOS system
Day 3 - Circle plus circle in box - More advanced PC that can dual-boot SteamOS and Windows.
I'm pretty sure he was saying it in jest, but it makes a shitload of sense.
Day 1 - Circle - SteamOS
Day 2 - Circle in box - Basic SteamOS system
Day 3 - Circle plus circle in box - More advanced PC that can dual-boot SteamOS and Windows.
I'm pretty sure he was saying it in jest, but it makes a shitload of sense.
Hugh Buelow
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The third icon is O+O, without a box.
ridethepiggy
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I don't think you've been paying attention to Valve over the years or this thread.
iceatcs
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Exactly what I mean. Not official.
What we can have the unofficial one, hopefully Valve will allow it or even better use the real official one.
You can dualboot SteamOS + Windows on any Steambox, already confirmed by Gabe earlier in the year.
Valve seems to want to make SteamOS an open operating system.
I'm in this boat, but mostly because I'm honestly not following what's so amazing about whatever this things does. Everything on the list I can already do via one or two methods.
All this Linux talk is just so much jargon as far as I'm concerned. I became a Windows user so I don't have to understand things, just push buttons.
I became a GAF user for the good discussion...
thunder_snail
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All this Linux talk is just so much jargon as far as I'm concerned. I became a Windows user so I don't have to understand things, just push buttons.
You became a Windows user because it was bundled with your laptop/pc. People switched to chrome/firefox from IE after a while right?
Also Linux is just a kernel. If valve does things right, SteamOS's shell's gonna be even easier to use than Windows!
iceatcs
Junior Member
That's good but I will wait and see. (Best method so that you cannot let yourself down)
Most wanted on steamOS - no more waiting first time game boot. Some might take up to 20 mins.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I wonder where the line will be drawn on what non gaming things this can do.
I get that it is open source and whatever, just wondering if it actually has any potential to be a regular OS option.
I get that it is open source and whatever, just wondering if it actually has any potential to be a regular OS option.
Fragamemnon
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It's almost certain that the core componentry that makes it "SteamOS" will be available (not necessarily all in source form, mind you) for Linux distribution developers to adapt the technology into new desktop operating system environments.
The value proposition is low in the short term for existing Windows/Steam users, but over time the move might make a lot more sense. This is crazy gaben's moonshot adventure, for sure, but even if it doesn't play out no one really comes out all the worse for it. I think it is a mistake to underestimate what kind of crazy things can happen on an open platform with good support given time.
Free?
Honestly, I don't care about DirectX. Just limits what platforms I can play on.
Saying there's "zero advantages" over windows is a bit myopic don't you think? A few games (in particular left4dead) do report a noticeable performance increase by simply going to Linux. Having a fine tuned kernel will likely offer further performance increases.
I'll most certainly agree that video driver support has always been less than stellar on Linux, though.
DirectX is hardly a show stopping requirement, developers who release on consoles are already not using directx (unless its an 360/One exclusive title) and by not relying on DirectX, these same games can find their ways to Mac (in addition to Linux). DirectX may (who's to say) eventually be seen as far too restrictive to focus on.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
As much as I hate to say this, being that I enjoy all the functionality of my system being good at gaming and other processes, I totally see the appeal of building a machine with a gaming oriented OS that is not only built by my favorite company, but also free.
I have used Ubuntu and I love it, so maybe I am biased.
I have used Ubuntu and I love it, so maybe I am biased.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you mean 'official' as in, a official driver from MS? Why does it matter as long as it works and it works well (though, personally, I prefer using xboxdrv over the in-built xpad module.)
JSoup
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Life is tough everywhere, isn't it?
The first family PC came bundled with Windows, but following that we had the option of switching to Linux. The problem we had...the problem I still have...is that every person who has tried to sell my on Linux hasn't been able to explain to me why is better without resorting to a lot of technical jargon that seems excessive to the point of having a computer (for me, at least). Which is simply 'internet and the occasional game'.
Angelus Errare
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Thankfully I can say I've never had to wait more than a few seconds. 20mins? Sounds rage inducing.
iceatcs
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So amazing, How?
But I said first time (first time setup pop up), not after that which it will take a sec too. Because of DirectX and other things.
Hugh Buelow
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Buying a Windows license for a secondary PC for the living room is, IMO, too expensive for what it's worth. SteamOS is free, so that's a plus. Also, Linux has its advantages. Just to name two: memory management and IO speed.
Also, Valve said that they achieved higher performance for their games on Linux compared to Windows... games might be fine without DX?
Fragamemnon
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The licensing agreements behind runtime library installers- at the core of the "wait a minute or so when starting a new game" - is actually one thing that SteamOS would more or less solve, ironically.
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