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'Venom' (With Tom Hardy) takes place in the spider-man homecoming universe (MCU)
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MisterHero
Super Member
At worst case it'll probably be better than Spider-Man III. So there's that
MHWilliams
Member
Marvel: "Venom is not MCU."
Sony: "Please? Pretty please? Dear God help us."
Marvel: *sigh* "Fine."
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Does it come out after Infinity War? Easy if its after the universe reboots itself within the laws of the Infinity Gauntlet.
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Reporter: Marvel, is Venom a part of the MCU?
Marvel: Venom is not a part of the MCU.
Reporter: Sony, is Venom a part of the MCU?
Sony: Why, yes!
Marvel:
Stallion Dan
Member
Set in the future? Flashbacks to his origins?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
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Reporter: Marvel, is Venom a part of the MCU?
Marvel: Venom is not a part of the MCU.
Reporter: Sony, is Venom a part of the MCU?
Sony: Why, yes!
Marvel:
Hello darkness my old friend....
Caddywompus
Member
Well Peter's in High School and Eddy Brock is played by a 40 actor. So unless Vemon's Spider-man is all CGI and never takes off his mask and is voiced by an older VA then sure it could work.
I'd be surprised if Holland has any time in his schedule to even be a part of Venom. He has to go from shooting Infinity War to doing press for Homecoming to shooting Avengers 4 to doing press for Infinity War to shooting Homecoming 2 to doing press for Avengers 4 AND Homecoming 2. And I assume he'll want to do something non-Spider-Man related in the middle of all that, heh.
Also, Sony has Holland signed for movies, three of which he's already fulfilled and another two (Avengers 4 and Homecoming 2) are already on the docket. I imagine they'd rather use that last appearance on a Homecoming 3 than waste it on a bit part in a Venom movie.
Extra Sauce
Member
No worries, the MCU architects can just ignore it if it sucks.
And who knows, maybe it won't?
And who knows, maybe it won't?
Secret Fawful
Member
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
They better use that money to make a Spider-Man 2099 trilogy.
The One and Done
Member
Essentially this. I anticipate the Marvel Sony partnership to continue in foreseeable future especially if Homecoming does Rami Spiderman numbers.
How could it possibly be in the MCU then? Could kill characters off screen.
I'm pretty sure Spider-Man's extended universe stuff will be like Marvel TV to the films, some stuff may crossover, most won't, and they will spend little time acknowledging each other as best and have the acknowledgement be one way at worst.
Spider-Man Homecoming vs Agents of SHIELD
Main crossover character - Spider-Man = Coulson
Big crossover character to give side universe legitimacy - Iron Man = Nick Fury
Smaller crossover characters to give side universe legitimacy - Happy = Sif//Malick/Peggy/Hill
Recognizable characters that wouldn't otherwise be in the MCU, but could if they wanted - Venom/Silver Sable/Black Cat = Ghost Rider/Quake/Deathlok
Villains that wouldn't otherwise be in the MCU - Vulture/Shocker = Hive/Calvin Zabo/Absorbing Man/Madam Hydra/Whitehall/etc.
Most other references that tie the two universes together likely go one way MCU - > TV or now MCU -> Spider-Man -> Sony spin-offs with possible references going from a spin-off like Venom back to main Spider-Man films.
Spider-Man Homecoming vs Agents of SHIELD
Main crossover character - Spider-Man = Coulson
Big crossover character to give side universe legitimacy - Iron Man = Nick Fury
Smaller crossover characters to give side universe legitimacy - Happy = Sif//Malick/Peggy/Hill
Recognizable characters that wouldn't otherwise be in the MCU, but could if they wanted - Venom/Silver Sable/Black Cat = Ghost Rider/Quake/Deathlok
Villains that wouldn't otherwise be in the MCU - Vulture/Shocker = Hive/Calvin Zabo/Absorbing Man/Madam Hydra/Whitehall/etc.
Most other references that tie the two universes together likely go one way MCU - > TV or now MCU -> Spider-Man -> Sony spin-offs with possible references going from a spin-off like Venom back to main Spider-Man films.
That's actually fine for a character like Venom though: Eddie Brock + the symbiote hate Peter specifically. If Peter can manage to step on a pro photographer's toes by taking vastly superior spider-pics and then get the symbiote after Parker ditches it (or even just finds it himself to begin with) that's more than enough for Venom
We don't know just how much Holland will be in Avengers 3 or 4. Even a cameo in a Venom film could range from Spider-Man in Civil War (3ish scenes) to Wonder Woman in BvS (2ish scenes) or Batman in Suicide Squad (2 minor scenes). If they were selling the film on the back of Venom, they could even keep Holland as a surprise for the film and not have him on the press tour.
Maddocks
Member
Damn, the way that looks it really feels like she dropped a bombshell on him. Like she told herself....its better to ask forgiveness then permission.....and just said it to back him in a corner expecting him to go....yeah, whatever...
Hopefully we at least get a good villain origin movie out of it
like split
or they have some sort of intro where Spider-Man beats his ass..
CocaMantis
Member
This could be something really, really good. I think they'll connect it with the Homecoming universe in the same way Daredevil, Jessica Jones and everyone else does: same background characters and locations rather than cameos (which they are quite present). I imagine aunt May appearing in the post-credits scene or maybe in the movie. Maybe Eddie will stumble upon her walking in the street or something like that. A real subtle not so obvious thing. But this is Marvel so who knows? Maybe Samuel Jackson will be the connective tissue.
lol someone's gonna get screamed at behind closed doors by Kevin Feige...
This screams of desperation to get people to care about their movies after everyone rolled their eyes at their announcement.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I still say if they were to just go with Venom as this Jason Vorhees kind of character in an almost horror movie but not quite is the best way to do Venom.
So they won't do that.
So they won't do that.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Honestly I'd go for the Lethal Protector/Anti-hero thing. Start the movie by establishing Brock while Spider-Man gets the symbiote. Do the thing from Ultimate where a hot pop star is kidnapped and Spider-Man almost eats the kidnappers, so he goes to the classic church to get rid of it. It finds an angry Brock, and he goes for Spidey. They fight a few times, while Brock is conflicted about if he's truly good or evil. Something big happens in the city, Spider-Man goes to help, Brock crashes the party, and after one big final fight, he joins Spidey to help the innocent. Brock/Venom decides he'll try the hero thing, lethally. End the film with a Robocop homage, with two thugs about to rape a woman, and cutting her hair with a switch blade. Venom goes full horror movie on them. Woman is left OK, but covered in blood and screaming.
Post credits scene sets up Thunderbolts with Zemo. MCU confirmed
paragonpro
Banned
Itll be canon in the same way the defenders are canon....(meaning it wont be)
Ninja Scooter
Member
Feige dresses like a movie executive on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
The Silver
Member
if you can't beat em....
Byakuya769
Member
Dash_Riprock
Member
They should at least wait to see if Homecoming is a smash hit that manages to escape the taint of ASM before jumping the gun...
I'm sure a lot of people laughed at Kevin Feige when he was funding the first Iron-Man movie and jump-starting the whole MCU with it.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Sony showing Marvel the way it's done (i.e. trying to milk your IPs for all they're worth. Also counting chickens etc.)
Speaking of which, wtf at the amount of hybrid advertisements cum movie teasers. I never even knew such things existed until now.
Speaking of which, wtf at the amount of hybrid advertisements cum movie teasers. I never even knew such things existed until now.
clay_ghost
Member
darkhunger
Member
I still don't see why people think Tom Holland, who is playing a character that Sony owns the rights to, and is appearing in a bunch of movies that Sony is financing and coproducing, but is somehow not allowed to appear in Sony movies.
100% there is a clause that does't let Sony use Holland in a Spidey film without Marvel
PhantomThief
Banned
Worrying about canon over a franchise that's on it's third reboot? Cmon guys!
This is it probably.
darkhunger
Member
Says who?
People keep thinking Marvel had a ton of leverage in their negotiations with Sony, but this is a studio that is making movies practically for free for their rival studio. This is an unprecedented giveaway from a business standpoint and basically amounts to a "do whatever to get it done" type of concession. I doubt Marvel can stop Sony from doing anything with the franchise , even if they have some kind of clause.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Nothing is confirmed. What a crap article. please read the THR source.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I'd assume screenrant would do their homework, no?