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[Herr Schwarz]

Let me rephrase your post.

"He removed her agency to say no."

You're just characterizing the encounter erroneously. You're thinking buffalo bill.

When I read this, I'm picturing GAF MAN. A nerd, that doesn't have a clue about women. Is drunk and thinks he's getting signals. Decided to make a ridiculously shitty play at trying to be provocative.

Like trying to do his Margot Robbie impression in Wolf of Wall Street. Or Joey from Friends.

It failed completely. Yeah under some clinical lens of law, that is assault! That is assault! But in reality, this is fucking nothing. It's a naked man appearing before you, then going away when asked.

I'm not really afraid of nudity, I don't even know how much of a peep she got, maybe she only saw his naked ankles and said "GET OUT". Then he left.

Yeah he didn't ask if he could get naked. That was a mistake. But it wasn't a brutal sex attack like you're trying to erroneously construe.

He's not luring her into his fucking submarine is he.

He's appearing naked. And going away when she said bugger off.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I think a key point that most people are failing to mention is how he treated her after that incident of being turned down. Being a prick to someone after being turned down for sex is still harassment, ya'll.

No, it's totally her fault for trusting him again if he said he was sorry and he would make things right. She had sex with him after all, which means he can do whatever he wants to her whenever he wants to.

 

[MEsoJD]

I think a key point that most people are failing to mention is how he treated her after that incident of being turned down. Being a prick to someone after being turned down for sex is still harassment, ya'll.

Have you ever been led on?

 

[RDreamer]

This is true, a shower is not sexual at all where as kissing is.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Showing up naked behind someone who has not consented to it at all isn't sexual at all now? I thought he was making a BOLD MOVE? Now it's not even sexual? Guess what, you can't have it both ways.

 

[A Link to the Past]

If this is true... this is a non-issue. Call me what you want. But... how can this be happening if they had sex after the fact of the matter?

I'm at a loss for words.

A sexual act does not become consensual after future consensual sex.

Have you ever been led on?

Has EviLore?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Have you ever been led on?

Since when does that excuse harassment? Is this a "she was asking for it" style of defense?

 

[Neece]

This is true, a shower is not sexual at all where as kissing is.

Lol.

Think about this statement for ten seconds, imagine a few scenarios, and reevaluate if you actuall still believe this.

 

[RDreamer]

A sexual act does not become consensual after future consensual sex.

I think certain people find this hard to understand because they treat women as objects and their only goal is to sleep with them. Ends justify the means. If you get in her pants eventually then it's a-ok.

 

[off duty ninja]

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[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Since when does that excuse harassment? Is this a "she was asking for it" style of defense?

"She deserved it, bro. How dare she get his dick hard. Women should wear a sheet or something at all times to protect innocent men."

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I was simply replying to the idea that a shower is somehow more intimate than a kiss. Pai Pai's stupid response deserved some stupidity in return.

So you get in showers with drunk girls who are in another relationship before you've ever kissed or established any form of mutual attraction? That is what you're saying is totally normal?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Hey look there's a streaker on the football field!!!! Hahaha. No wait. That's not funny anymore you fucking rape victim blaming asshole. You fucking asshole!


Naked streaker running on the field! Call the police! Mass sexual assault in progress. We've estimated 5,000 sexual assault victims. Probably the most brutal mass sexual assault in history! Are any of you really safe?

None of those bystanders asked to see that naked person streaking across the field! That is assault! That is assault!!!!! That streaker took away their agency! There were kids in that audience! Not only is this streaker a sex assaulter, also a pedophile! That is assault!!!!

 

[RDreamer]

I was simply replying to the idea that a shower is somehow more intimate than a kiss. Pai Pai's stupid response deserved some stupidity in return.

You're simply ignoring all bits of context to make an obtusely stupid straw man point. Alrighty then...

 

[Apocryphon]

Have you ever been led on?

Stop.

 

[off duty ninja]

You're simply ignoring all bits of context to make an obtusely stupid straw man point. Alrighty then...

.

 

[MEsoJD]

Seriously, why do people keep bringing up kissing with this?

Like, it's still fucked up people go in for unwanted kisses but that's beside the point. Showing up in a shower with someone who has no consented to it is on a WAY different level. It has the potential to cause some next level terror on almost every woman alive.



So if I rob a bank and then later that bank lets me open an account there, I did not originally commit a crime?

Okay.

Also I have been out a good bit. Drinking and sharing a room aren't consent. In fact drinking actually means Evilore should have been more adamant about getting actual consent.

Sure you have sport. Again, they got into a physical relationship afterwards. So while he might have read that event wrong with the shower. Something was there. Use your head.
This whole event seems to be blown out of proportion by those that have not been around the bar scene or don't know what real sexual abuse is.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Hey look there's a streaker on the football field!!!! Hahaha. No wait. That's not funny anymore you fucking rape victim blaming asshole. You fucking asshole!


Naked streaker running on the field! Call the police! Mass sexual assault in progress. We've estimated 5,000 sexual assault victims. Probably the most brutal mass sexual assault in history! Are any of you really safe?

None of those bystanders asked to see that naked person streaking across the field! That is assault! That is assault!!!!! That streaker took away their agency! There were kids in that audience! Not only is this streaker a sex assaulter, also a pedophile! That is assault!!!!

Guess what? When someone does that, they can be charged with a felony and in a state like MN, be forced into a sexual convicts rehabilitation center.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Hey look there's a streaker on the football field!!!! Hahaha. No wait. That's not funny anymore you fucking rape victim blaming asshole. You fucking asshole!


Naked streaker running on the field! Call the police! Mass sexual assault in progress. We've estimated 5,000 sexual assault victims. Probably the most brutal mass sexual assault in history! Are any of you really safe?

None of those bystanders asked to see that naked person streaking across the field! That is assault! That is assault!!!!! That streaker took away their agency! There were kids in that audience! Not only is this streaker a sex assaulter, also a pedophile! That is assault!!!!

I'm pretty sure running around naked at a public event could get you put on the sex offender registry.

That said, what the hell happened that you went into this bizarre post lmao. Comparing this to a man entering the shower naked with another woman without consent is bizarre aaf.

 

[MEsoJD]

Stop.

Still Gaf.

 

[Raiden]

Tyler has enough money to offer up another room for his "friend". As soon as he said "I made reservations and your sleeping with me", she should of said "no, I need my own room". And if she cant afford one herself, why is she even there? As the boyfriend this should have raised all kinds of flags. Who here would let their girlfriend sleep in the same room with another man...alone? So I'm assuming since she cant afford her own room he picked up the entire tab on this "trip" and wanted some play (went about it entirely wrong) got denied and had an attitude about it. Some are acting like he raped her in the shower or something.

No, her and her boyfriend aren't at fault. All three are. I'm more questioning all the outrage.

last week you would have been banned for this.

 

[Paracelsus]

You can call it victim blaming, but I'd say the blame is more on him: if the girl has got a boyfriend, don't share a room with her period. If it's to cut costs, sleep in the hall. The whole "mxf friends" is never worth the risk.

 

[RDreamer]

Sure you have sport. Again, they got into a physical relationship afterwards. So while he might have read that event wrong with the shower. Something was there. Use your head.
This whole event seems to be blown out of proportion by those that have not been around the bar scene or don't know what real sexual abuse is.

Afterwards literally does not fucking matter. It does not change the original consent. Not only is victims staying with abusers or getting with abusers a large phenomenon and overall defense mechanism, it just doesn't change the past.

If I rob a fucking wal-mart and go to jail or something and later on in life they allow me to buy a television that doesn't suddenly mean I didn't rob them. This is completely fucking illogical.

The "bar scene" is rife with sexual assault so that's no defense.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Guess what? When someone does that, they can be charged with a felony and in a state like MN, be forced into a sexual convicts rehabilitation center.

Yeah and it's fucking ridiculous.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Still Gaf.

Your post was suggesting that it was her fault that he got mad because he "led him on." Silly.

Yeah and it's fucking ridiculous.

To be clear, a naked man showing up in a woman's bedroom would not be, in your mind, a crime?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I'm pretty sure running around naked at a public event could get you put on the sex offender registry.

That said, what the hell happened that you went into this bizarre post lmao. Comparing this to a man entering the shower naked with another woman without consent is bizarre aaf.

Because what happened? She saw a naked man without asking. And the naked man then left when asked.

The streaker on the football field, doesn't even go away when asked. He has to be forcibly removed.

So technically speaking, the streaker is a bigger "SEXUAL PREDATOR".

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

I'm pretty sure running around naked at a public event could get you put on the sex offender registry.

That said, what the hell happened that you went into this bizarre post lmao. Comparing this to a man entering the shower naked with another woman without consent is bizarre aaf.

He's all in on toxic masculinity. Stopping men from sneaking into women's showers takes all agency away from men everywhere. He's strawmanning like a maniac, Fox news 'look over there!' bullshit. Ironically,there's a good chance he's against transgenders in restrooms.

 

[RDreamer]

Because what happened? She saw a naked man without asking. And the naked man then left when asked.

The streaker on the football field, doesn't even go away when asked. He has to be forcibly removed.

So technically speaking, the streaker is a bigger "SEXUAL PREDATOR".

I'm really not sure you'd get many women to agree with you there bucko. Having a man appear behind you in a vulnerable state completely naked and within a very small confined space is much bigger SEXUAL PREDATOR stuff. Like... a lot bigger and if you can't understand that you should probably work on your empathy.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Because what happened? She saw a naked man without asking. And the naked man then left when asked.

The streaker on the football field, doesn't even go away when asked. He has to be forcibly removed.

So technically speaking, the streaker is a bigger "SEXUAL PREDATOR".

Or we can look at intent, where EviLore got naked and got into a very personal situation with her where he exposed himself to her with sexual intent. This equivalency is silly and desperate.

 

[Aselith]

Because what happened? She saw a naked man without asking. And the naked man then left when asked.

The streaker on the football field, doesn't even go away when asked. He has to be forcibly removed.

So technically speaking, the streaker is a bigger "SEXUAL PREDATOR".

If the guy exposed himself to a child on the street, is he a predator?

 

[A Link to the Past]

If the guy exposed himself to a child on the street, is he a predator?

Breh, it's just nudity.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Your post was suggesting that it was her fault that he got mad because he "led him on." Silly.



To be clear, a naked man showing up in a woman's bedroom would not be, in your mind, a crime?

To be clear, you understand you're trying to create an erroneous parralell. Which is what I'm doing, I'm just not trying to be a disingenous turd about it.

No if some random ass man, creeped into a random ass womans room and appeared nude. That's worse as there's no established relationship in which random ass man might get the idea that's OK to do.

But a naked man showing up in a room, that the man and woman are both sharing? No that would not be a crime. It would be a nothing burger. They're sharing a private space together.

It would of been fucked if he didn't go away. But he did.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

I'm really not sure you'd get many women to agree with you there bucko. Having a man appear behind you in a vulnerable state completely naked and within a very small confined space is much bigger SEXUAL PREDATOR stuff. Like... a lot bigger and if you can't understand that you should probably work on your empathy.

He'd obviously feel very comfortable and safe if a 300 pound dude jumped in behind him in the shower to give him a little how-do-you-do.

 

[SuperDowns]

You're just characterizing the encounter erroneously. You're thinking buffalo bill.

When I read this, I'm picturing GAF MAN. A nerd, that doesn't have a clue about women. Is drunk and thinks he's getting signals. Decided to make a ridiculously shitty play at trying to be provocative.

Like trying to do his Margot Robbie impression in Wolf of Wall Street. Or Joey from Friends.

It failed completely. Yeah under some clinical lens of law, that is assault! That is assault! But in reality, this is fucking nothing. It's a naked man appearing before you, then going away when asked.

I'm not really afraid of nudity, I don't even know how much of a peep she got, maybe she only saw his naked ankles and said "GET OUT". Then he left.

Yeah he didn't ask if he could get naked. That was a mistake. But it wasn't a brutal sex attack like you're trying to erroneously construe.

He's not luring her into his fucking submarine is he.

He's appearing naked. And going away when she said bugger off.

The whole point of me too is this is not a normal situation for males to deal with.

The burden of rebuffing a naked man from her shower while puking was on her. That’s fucked up, that’s REALLY bad signaling reading at BEST.

She, or any other woman, shouldn’t have to have these types of creepy encounters. It’s not something men can’t relate to inheritantly and it requires you to personally empathize and think about. About how you would feel if you were in her shoes. It’s not great and your myopic synopsis isn’t great. At best, you are just wholly ignorant. Please try to rise above your own bullshit and think about this. We don’t have time for you to catch up with the rest of us, snowflake.

 

[piratethingy]

So is the revenge porn thing true? Just heard about that.

I can deal with the rest I’ve seen so far, but that’s a 100% out for me. Any clarity?

 

[Neece]

To be clear, you understand you're trying to create an erroneous parralell. Which is what I'm doing, I'm just not trying to be a disingenous turd about it.

No if some random ass man, creeped into a random ass womans room and appeared nude. That's worse as there's no established relationship in which random ass man might get the idea that's OK to do.

But a naked man showing up in a room, that the man and woman are both sharing? No that would not be a crime. It would be a nothing burger. They're sharing a private space together.

It would of been fucked if he didn't go away. But he did.

So if two co-workers are sharing a hotel room or air bnb, the woman goes to take a shower, and the man shows up in the shower naked, it's nothing?

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

So is the revenge porn thing true? Just heard about that.

I can deal with the rest I’ve seen so far, but that’s a 100% out for me. Any clarity?

Yes, it's true.

 

[DaytimeWhiskey]

Have you ever been led on?

This is fucking literally "she asked for it"

I really can't even

 

[anothertech]

The same people arguing the same bullshit on this merry-go-round of ignorance.

Nice.

 

[A Link to the Past]

To be clear, you understand you're trying to create an erroneous parralell. Which is what I'm doing, I'm just not trying to be a disingenous turd about it.

No if some random ass man, creeped into a random ass womans room and appeared nude. That's worse as there's no established relationship in which random ass man might get the idea that's OK to do.

But a naked man showing up in a room, that the man and woman are both sharing? No that would not be a crime. It would be a nothing burger. They're sharing a private space together.

It would of been fucked if he didn't go away. But he did.

This argument would stand if context was irrelevant. Getting into an enclosed space, naked, with sexual intent, without any prior consent asked or offered, is not simply being naked in front of someone. The fact that he didn't escalate things further than he did is not something to brag about.

 

[DaytimeWhiskey]

So is the revenge porn thing true? Just heard about that.

I can deal with the rest I’ve seen so far, but that’s a 100% out for me. Any clarity?

Yup, we replied with the evidence before that thread got wiped

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

The same people arguing the same bullshit on this merry-go-round of ignorance.

Nice.

Welcome back to continuing the party. You guys love freeze peach so much, I'd think you'd be applauding this glorious exercise in patriotism.

 

[piratethingy]

Yup, we replied with the evidence before that thread got wiped

Cool sorry I’m on mobile at work, can’t keep up well.

It’s crazy how revenge porn is like sexual assault that continues to happen FOREVER.

What a vile, evil, pathetic, soulless thing to do. I just literally got up and walked to the sink to spit into it cause I just felt like I really needed to.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I'm really not sure you'd get many women to agree with you there bucko. Having a man appear behind you in a vulnerable state completely naked and within a very small confined space is much bigger SEXUAL PREDATOR stuff. Like... a lot bigger and if you can't understand that you should probably work on your empathy.

Again you're just reading the parts that you want to read and forgetting the parts where I say it was a completely dumb move to do that.

Again because the disingenuous outrage over this needs to grasp at something.

So you know the size of the room they are in? A small confined space? You've seen the shower? It's a small cubicle? You're an investigator?

You get that you've fed so much misinformation into your own brain that is just some weird fetish shit in which you've basically recreated what has happened with your own imagination in order to feed your own cynical bias?

That's not empathy bro. That's weird fertilization in order to feed your sense of erroneous outrage.

What's the tile pattern like in their bathroom? Is there lots of vomit on the walls too?

 

[finalflame]

There are some truly sheltered and misguided individuals here.

Was getting naked and into a shower a wise move? Nah. Doe she admit he immediately backed off when asked? Yes. Do we know the full story of what kind of previous interactions led to this? No. Do we have any reason to think the accuser is any more credible than Malka? Also, no.

Not only that, but this SAME person would later get consensually physically involved and admits openly to being opportunistic about their friendship. Good riddance that anyone like this should ever show up in my life -- seems important to be vigilant of those you associate with.

Anyone could accuse anyone else of anything with NO PROOF, and suddenly, within a day, their image has been destroyed because people like many of you are just foaming at the mouth. It doesn't feel right.

It's a shame an allegation as such with no proof and no corroboration can bring someone's work, and a community to many, to its knees. GAF's propensity for witch hunts and its hivemind has finally turned on itself. Quite the irony.

With time, the outrage will blow over and some sense of normalcy will be restored. It'll never be the same, I'm sure, but eventually we'll be able to go back to just talking about games and leave this bullshit behind.

Whatever.

 

[Brandon F]

A sexual act does not become consensual after future consensual sex.

True, but it casts doubt on the validity of her account(or her emotional reaction) given the future extended relationship and encounter.

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

Yup, we replied with the evidence before that thread got wiped

Revenge porn?

 

[A Link to the Past]

True, but it casts doubt on the validity of her account(or her emotional reaction) given the future extended relationship and encounter.

A doubt that should reasonably be extended to EviLore having been involved in sexual misconduct in the past and being dishonest about it all.

 

[RDreamer]

The whole point of me too is this is not a normal situation for males to deal with.

The burden of rebuffing a naked man from her shower while puking was on her. That’s fucked up, that’s REALLY bad signaling reading at BEST.

She, or any other woman, shouldn’t have to have these types of creepy encounters. It’s not something men can’t relate to inheritantly and it requires you to personally empathize and think about. About how you would feel if you were in her shoes. It’s not great and your myopic synopsis isn’t great. At best, you are just wholly ignorant. Please try to rise above your own bullshit and think about this. We don’t have time for you to catch up with the rest of us, snowflake.

Yeah, it's incredibly fucked up that the burden is on the woman to stop the man every step of the way and rebuff after it already passed the point of sexual intimacy. That's really not fair at all, and it's apparently not something a lot of men can even remotely relate to.

People making jokes about how he must be awkward or something just disgust me. Laughing about awkward sexual assault just allows there to be more sexual assault. How about personal responsibility here? You fucked up, own it and apologize and be a fucking man like you might want to claim to be. Don't blame it on being awkward.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Again you're just reading the parts that you want to read and forgetting the parts where I say it was a completely dumb move to do that.

Again because the disingenuous outrage over this needs to grasp at something.

So you know the size of the room they are in? A small confined space? You've seen the shower? It's a small cubicle? You're an investigator?

You get that you've fed so much misinformation into your own brain that is just some weird fetish shit in which you've basically recreated what has happened with your own imagination in order to feed your own cynical bias?

That's not empathy bro. That's weird fertilization in order to feed your sense of erroneous outrage.

What's the tile pattern like in their bathroom? Is there lots of vomit on the walls too?

You're right dude, it might have been like that shower in V for Vendetta. She probably needed a telescope to see his genitals.

 

[Dunlop]

So is the revenge porn thing true? Just heard about that.

I can deal with the rest I’ve seen so far, but that’s a 100% out for me. Any clarity?

yup, first I learned of it today too

Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)

Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.

You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM

Bonus: Labeling women as sex objects: