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Weird Sixaxis problem
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BTW, I've played "some" (heh) PS3 today and this hasn't happened to me at all. Mainly resistance and motorstorm. There are so many variables as to what it could be-- interference, bad syncs, just needing to power cycle...
No idea. Works great now. I love the sixaxis.
No idea. Works great now. I love the sixaxis.
Me too. The pad just shut itself off even though it was at 80% power. Genji, btw. I also had my first lock-up in that game (and it just had to be in the middle of that intense beach fight right before the crab too, luckily my character was headed for safety when it happened).TTP said:
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Is that really true? Why can you only use 4 controllers at the same time on X360.Manp said:that and maybe the fact that Xbox 360's wireless supports up to 40 devices and not just 7
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Marconelly said:
Yep, it's true. The limiting of controllers to only four was a choice it seems, but I'm guessing that could be updated should the need arise. I personally never see me needing more than four controller on any console, so not a big deal to me at all.
Manp
Member
Marconelly said:
http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1702/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Accessories-Impressions/p1/
at the bottom of the page
you can only use 4 wireless controllers but you can use them with 4 wireless headsets at the same time
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
lol Sony launch hardware lol
Seriously though that sucks. Sorry to hear about this.
My guess at this stage would be a bluetooth problem too.
I have written a few multiplayer wireless (with bluetooth) games for cell phones and lag/disconnection is obviously a problem. If you imagine starting a 2 player racing game, your handset (server) needs to know where the remote player (client) car is positioned at any time to paint it on your screen. So the server receives the car position and maybe the vector over the wireless link. If that link is broken or slows down the server doesn't now exactly where the remote player's car is. So the game needs to make a decision, like any networked game in that position (for example to make the other player's car stop, disappear, or, perhaps in this case, make an educated guess by continuing it along the last vector) until the real location can be read again and the player repositioned correctly.
As you mentioned the character seemed to continue along the same path for a short while, it seems maybe this latter technique was used by the game while the connection to the controller was re-established. Ofcourse it's different things but I'm just throwing that out there as a thought.
I have written a few multiplayer wireless (with bluetooth) games for cell phones and lag/disconnection is obviously a problem. If you imagine starting a 2 player racing game, your handset (server) needs to know where the remote player (client) car is positioned at any time to paint it on your screen. So the server receives the car position and maybe the vector over the wireless link. If that link is broken or slows down the server doesn't now exactly where the remote player's car is. So the game needs to make a decision, like any networked game in that position (for example to make the other player's car stop, disappear, or, perhaps in this case, make an educated guess by continuing it along the last vector) until the real location can be read again and the player repositioned correctly.
As you mentioned the character seemed to continue along the same path for a short while, it seems maybe this latter technique was used by the game while the connection to the controller was re-established. Ofcourse it's different things but I'm just throwing that out there as a thought.
SeaOfMadness
Member
Aske said:
it could be interference from stuff in people's houses. the media play at work so they may not have a typical setup. same as sony's test labs and wherever else they tested.
i think ms knew about these potential issues and decided not to use bluetooth.
also, i'm curious, how is the latency with the wireless controller? bluetooth wasn't known for extremely low latency. does it feel like it's responsive enough? there aren't any wired controllers to compare to so i guess it's not a huge issue.
also how is battery life for everyone? anyone with both 360 and ps3, how do the controllers compare in that regard?
I haven't played online yet, but so far ... so good. No problems with the controller (and I accidentally kicked it about 10 feet across the room earlier ).
BTW - Battery life seems good ... I'm still at full bars the last time I checked (a few hours ago) ... and I've probably been screwing around on the PS3 a good 8 hours so far.
).BTW - Battery life seems good ... I'm still at full bars the last time I checked (a few hours ago) ... and I've probably been screwing around on the PS3 a good 8 hours so far.
Scoot said:
I wonder if it is bad bluetooth boards in some of the controllers.
I know it's the weekend (and it's right after launch), but I was wondering if you've heard from Sony on this since you guys heard about Madden getting patched on Friday after a Friday launch. Heh. I haven't been able to find anything on Sony's official boards.
SeaOfMadness
Member
i hate to say it but i think sony used bluetooth mostly because of marketing. it was one more checkbox they could put on the box "bluetooth? check." people are pretty familiar with bluetooth already.
using a proprietary rf technology like ms did (which i think is patented, by the way) would have been less "cool" even if it maybe would have been better for gaming.
now having said that, i'm sure sony will work out the bluetooth issues eventually (or at least i hope so for their sake), but i think ms is sitting back in their offices going "yep, i told you so..."
using a proprietary rf technology like ms did (which i think is patented, by the way) would have been less "cool" even if it maybe would have been better for gaming.
now having said that, i'm sure sony will work out the bluetooth issues eventually (or at least i hope so for their sake), but i think ms is sitting back in their offices going "yep, i told you so..."
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The BT tech used in PS3 and controllers is not the same everyone has been using with various mice and keyboard. It's some new, better revision of it, which I forgot the name for. So there still may be hope this is fixable in software and is not something inherent to hardware.
LJ11 said:
Oh, I don't know what the Wii is using.
Every time it comes up on GAF though, someone always comes in and explains why it won't be a lagfest for the controller because of the HID thing.
The fact the lag (is it lag) is not reliably happening is peculiar. I would at least like to see a response from Sony though.
LJ11 said:
Yeah, take back what I said. I think I misquoted the post I am thinking of.
Whatever it is, I agree...Sony better fix it if people are having issues with it. Sending out wires to everyone with problems is not okay. :lol
I did notice that the PS3 sends data over the wire, so that is interesting.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
This is where Microsoft's experience with Windows comes in handy. They had dealt with Bluetooth before and had a pretty good understanding of it. Thus, they knew to stay away from it for controller purposes.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Y2Kevbug11 said:
how do you figure this out?
davepoobond said:
Plug it into a PC and it knows it's a SuxAsses (lol). There are just no drivers for it yet, so we can't use it in games. Also, nobody has complained about dropped signals while wired, so there's your second issue.
I do like how fast the PS3 controller syncs. Press the PS button and it is instant.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Y2Kevbug11 said:
interesting. does the device "install" only one thing or multiple devices when you plug it into the PC?
for example, when you first plug in a video camera, a bunch of balloons will pop up saying it detects a memory card reader, a this, a that, etc.
Bluetooth 2.0 doesn't really add anything to the spec except for higher bandwidth. That's not much to talk about either, since it just does that through increased modulation without touching any of the characteristics of the broadcasting mechanism. The reason why Sixaxis is different from most Bluetooth devices is because HID wasn't always in the standard. It's something that was added down the line specifically for these types of devices. And most people hate Bluetooth because the protocol stack is mega bloated and the software hideously unreliable, but that's neither here nor there for the PS3.Onix said:
My best guess is that the bug people are reporting sounds like the controller is losing its 'virtual cable' connection with the PS3 momentarily (not quite unplugging) and the latency comes from automatically re-establishing it. If it can't manage that successfully then it'll 'unplug' from the PS3 and it'll probably tell you that the controller disconnected or something. I imagine if it didn't have the auto re-establishment mechanism, the controller would flat out disconnect itself when you guys get this bug.
I've got no clue what could be causing it though, it could simply be interference, but that would have to be pretty severe and this seems to be a common problem for users. It may be an issue with the PS3 itself in the way it operates. I really hope it's fixable and not that the controller is super sensitive to interference.
Moonwalker
Member
I don't think it's luck, i think it's more about how close you are to neighbors and the sorts of wireless networks/devices they may use. I have seen issues with lots of 802.11 networks where something as simple as your neighbor using their microwave can cripple your network speed. That's the problem with using a standard that's very cluttered already with other wireless devices in a similar frequency range. I'd say the controller is getting interference and the bluetooth transfer speeds are crawling to a halt, causing the lag/controller packet loss you are seeing.
It has stopped happening to me. I just did an entire two levels in Resistance (omg) and not once did I encounter the problem. Could starting the system with the controller plugged in and THEN removing it eliminate the problem? In the only cases I've had that problem, I started it from my bed with the SixAxes disconnected.
Shaved Moustache
Banned
Has this been addressed yet?
Shaved Moustache
Banned
Onix said:
Do you think it might just be a red herring?
Dahbomb said:Just an interesting tip, if the next time your controller gets held (like if you are playing Resistance and your character starts spinning to the left) just violently shake your controller as if you want to get a Chimera off you. It seems to work for some people.
Wii owners that have been experience difficulties are doing the same thing to their Wiimotes, and it seems to be working for them as well.