Megalosaro
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We didn't have nations because what vwe had was far more nebulous
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what year do you expect the world to come together as one nation
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We didn't have nations because what vwe had was far more nebulous
I could think of a number of arguments against a single state. Competition keeping states honest is an obvious one.
We had states that generally, there are exceptions, weren't supported by ideology. Again that doesn't seem to be making a single state more likely. It seems to give inertia to the currently existing states. Concepts of the nation make states more not less stable.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
The United States of Earth will be founded in 2025.
When Winds of Winter releases
Fenderputty
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We're in a post scarcity society. Which I've already established (although in a separate post). Competition at this point, unless it's in good spirit for motivation, is a detriment and not a boon.
WaterAstro
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Skellig Gra
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This ain't Star Trek bruh. It'll never happen.
Post-scarcity doesn't mean the state will act well, I'm not sure how you got there. Economic competition isn't the only sort of competition. Without countervailing external interests a variety of problems could arise in the state. One could argue that these would be outweighed by the good, or that we can prevent this through structure means, but that's still going to be an argument. I don't think we could take it for granted that this would be a good thing.
Any Questions
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Or AI takes over and nerfs every weapon and acts like a sensible patent to us human savages
Fenderputty
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Wars have a profit motive, at least quite often. Borders also have a profit motive, although it's probably not effective at accomplishing it's goal. There's lots of things that act as wedges between us that only exist because of scarcity. In any case I'm not saying it's one thing that will bring about this unification of the human race. It will be many thing, including medical advances and such.
Can you give me an example of a problem that could arise?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
When the Federation takes off and everyone just gets their free stuff from the machine that makes free stuff.
Greigor The Fellhand
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Only if alien scum attacks.
And only for how long that war takes
And only for how long that war takes
Mr_Appleby
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On the 8th day of Knife, under a gibbous moon, the cold streets steaming with the blood of my enemies and in my arms a heaving pile of still-beating hearts torn hot from their pathetic fleshy cages.
Just finished watching honest trailers Star Trek the Next Generation
dragonzdogma
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I think the bible mentions a single government operated by an Anti-Christ.
I'm not sure if this constitutes as one nation since in the end he or she will target Israel.
There are several things that will have to happen first,
One world currency - a sorta bit coin like currency I suppose?
Something called the mark of the beast
and the obvious true resurrection of a certain human who will be killed.
Chezzymann
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Only if we get on a galactic scale and planets become the new countries
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
2058
andthebeatgoeson
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When the last human takes their last breath.
Blueingreen
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Humans are ultimately too selfish and corrupt for such a reality to develop, we're not the borg.
Any Questions
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Yog soggoth approves of this date
gunstarhero
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When the robots win.
Red Liquorice
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Depressingly it seems further away than ever before in my lifetime. 
yanipheonu
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Lots of ethical problems really. Does "unifying the world" constitute just colonialization of the the entire world under one banner? Would unifying the world essentially be brainwashing or forcibly coercing people into unification? Would such unity even provide a better quality of life? Is unity worth sacrificing personal and cultural freedom?
Not that I'm not down with some world unity, but as with most things, unity created by fallible humans will have problems. It's not necessarily a cure all for human suffering.
As Ian Malcom warned, we gotta wonder about whether we should, not just whether we could.
Razorback
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This, if there are still nations around that is.
Melon Husk
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When we have something to unite against. I'm not making bets on cultural evolution.
Post scarcity what? Energy? Information? Resources?
Post scarcity what? Energy? Information? Resources?
Imperial Bishop
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When the Human Instrumentality Project is complete
Sure, I'm an economic historian that looks at state building and political-economy so I;m not about to disagree with you there.
Kinda sorta. Why does England end at the Tweed? If you want an example involving extant sovereign states, why is Schleswig-Holstein part of Germany not Denmark? This is a bit ironic because you're coming off as a pretty strong Marxist here, and I kinda doubt that's your position based on other things I've read.
Of course, I would never disagree. I wasn't saying that scarcity isn't an issue, I'm just saying there are forces that can drive conflict.
I can think of a huge number. Think of corruption in the state. Think of trying to enforce ideological conformity especially in regards to political-philosophy. Think of if America was able to become the only state and continued to enact racist policies.
Again not all issues are material and ideology, pace vular Marxism, doesn't always simply derive from material circumstance.
External pressures have often tended to either alleviate a number of these problems, provide alternative models for development, or provide a space for dissidents to work towards reform.
It's not inevitable. Nothing is inevitable, and I'm not seeing any forces currently at work that make it seem incredibly likely.
Again this is the worst sort of whiggery.
DragonKnight
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There it is lol.
Never, OP.
The world needs a literal "Independence Day" type event that DIRECTLY and IMMEDIATELY impacts everyone equally.
I can see it happening within 200-500 years . The move towards mega cities becoming congregation centers is already in full swing .
But I see cities acting as sort of states etc . Also any alien invasion can def lead to emboldening of un and much more increased powers/cooperation
But I see cities acting as sort of states etc . Also any alien invasion can def lead to emboldening of un and much more increased powers/cooperation
Shavaunne1
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I don't think removing religion alone will help. People will always find a reason to start wars and kill each other.
teruterubozu
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History is not an upwards trajectory. Similarly, there is no "right" or "wrong" side of history - history don't give fucks.
Chaos2Frozen
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Unless you kill everyone else different from you, people will never come together as one.
With such an open ended question it's not about how it would happen, it's about ways it could happen. Theses are some ways, and the ways I think look the most likely. There are presumably others. You're right though, these possibilities are both possible and fall under the umbrella of the question here.
Well you can define upwards. The key is not thinking that it happens by some Hegelian mechanism, i.e. that there is not a force that means history must always lead to things getting better, and understanding that one's choice of better is subjective.
I think the world of today is better overall, but hardly in every respect, than the world of the period I study, but that involves a lot of very subjective value calls. I'm totally aware it's not better in any sort of platonic sense.
You don't need one currency. States have existed with multiple currencies before.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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If there were only two humans left alive, they would probably hate each other. And you think 8+ billion people are going to get along?
Keep dreaming.
Keep dreaming.
