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Which super team movie will have the higher B.O numbers?
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Bobby Roberts
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I dunno, I can see your point but even as the international audience blooms (and it has) and while producers seem increasingly interested in making sure the films don't appeal to just American audiences (some going about that better than others) it really does seem to me that while we watching the horse race love the big numbers (and we do) the people greenlighting, funding, writing, producing, and directing the films are looking at those domestic numbers, because those are the ones that get everyone paid.
Worldwide numbers are important - especially in that they can save a film that would otherwise considered a disappointment. And by save I mean get a sequel that otherwise would have never happened, and maybe that's all she wrote. It can buy you a last grasp at the domestic relevance you were hoping to get the first time out. Worldwide numbers are like 1-ups.
So to use a video game analogy: In a score-based game, your victory state tends not to depend on how many extra lives you still have in the bank. It measures the points.
I've always looked at this from the perspective that Domestic numbers are always way more important than the worldwide ones, and when talking about a film's perception as being #1, you have to start at home, and then expand outwards. If you're not #1 at home, you're not #1.
But I agree that if the gap is huge, then you make an exception - and Avatar's success is basically the entire reason Worldwide took the focus in the first place.
Ya. Most of the time the domestic winner is close enough to being the worldwide winner, that you can just give precedence to the more impressive domestic gross.
But occasionally we get a situation like 2014, where the domestic winner made half of what the worldwide winner made, and neither the second or third place domestic films were within $300M of winning the worldwide crown. It's pretty hard to argue that Transformers 4 didn't win in 2014.
K Clue iXi
Member
I believe Infinity War will.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
They are already selling it as Wonder Woman and friends. Best way to approach it right now after the reception that Wonder Woman got.
The Driver
Member
I mean, I said that it was clearly Superman at the end of the trailer but maybe not the hologram and apparently I'm one of those theorycrafting nerds now huh.
Even though MoS did have that empty chamber still, and this trailer itself namedropped Lanterns, so it's not like they don't like to tease characters in the DCEU.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I like this. Lean into it! Own it!
WaterAstro
Member
In the Infinity War thread, I talked about how Marvel has made 18 movies leading up to this.
DC only has Man of Steel, BvS, and Wonder Woman.
Marvel has spent more time and resources hyping us up for this moment. They will and deserve the higher number.
DC only has Man of Steel, BvS, and Wonder Woman.
Marvel has spent more time and resources hyping us up for this moment. They will and deserve the higher number.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
That would be a better than average drop.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
A drop for either Infinity War OR Justice League in the 40% range on their 2nd weekends is going to be really fucking good
2B? Never happen.
Infinity War will crush Justice League. Like "almost double JL's worldwide box office" crush it.
JL clearing a billion is a very, very rosy forecast. It's two weeks after Thor, one week before Thanksgiving, and four weeks from Star Wars. It'll be lucky to do Wonder Woman numbers.
JL clearing a billion is a very, very rosy forecast. It's two weeks after Thor, one week before Thanksgiving, and four weeks from Star Wars. It'll be lucky to do Wonder Woman numbers.
PhoncipleBone
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The same was said about Batman v Superman and Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
I feel there isn't as much build up for DC though. With Avengers we had already been introduced to all the players including the villian. Loki was a big focal point of the marketing and the fact he was already established helped alot imo. Even Black Widow and Hawkeye had some actual screen time in the films leading up to avengers whereas half the team and the villian for Justice League is having their first real appearance.
I do like that DC is giving a strong push for WonderWoman and showing off how much fun Flash and Aquaman might be but I think Avengers had much more going in its favour. Just splitting it down to x number of films vs x number of films isn't a good comparison.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
It's a long shot for sure. Interesting that's the number that Perlmutter projected in 2014 for Avengers 3 and 4.
the_darkness
Banned
I feel like burnout might set in a little with Infinity War.
elrechazado
Banned
3 and 4
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Superhero fatigue will set in any day now...
miller.skippins
Banned
Russo bros = directors of winter soldier & civil war
Zack Snyder = Director of MoS & BvS (and suckerpunch)
Not saying people can't learn but track record is a thing. Just look at Michael Bay.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
As Bobby has said, the real wild card here is the Guardians teaming up with all the other Marvel heroes. This is going to be the everything and the kitchen sink team up with Marvel, and it is the long term buildup to this big event.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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He predicted 2B a pop, and 1.25B for CW.. His projection is on the high end and most of us doubts it gets there.
clay_ghost
Member
I think JL will perform closer to Thor :R than IW.
Not a Diss for JL since I think Thor is going to surprise everyone.
Not a Diss for JL since I think Thor is going to surprise everyone.
Couldn't give a shit less.
That is for people with small dicks and no lives to worry about in my opinion.
Right now this is an amazing time to live in, when we have all of the comic heroes that I grew up with up there with big movies and universes.
My only hope and care is that they all succeed to various levels so that we can keep having them.
Not everything needs to be a competition, and it is very telling that some are eager for some movies to fail
That is for people with small dicks and no lives to worry about in my opinion.
Right now this is an amazing time to live in, when we have all of the comic heroes that I grew up with up there with big movies and universes.
My only hope and care is that they all succeed to various levels so that we can keep having them.
Not everything needs to be a competition, and it is very telling that some are eager for some movies to fail
Mysterious
Banned
Hooooolyyyy shit. Is the most star-studded cast of all time?!
Primethius
Banned
The only way I see JL beating IW is if it manages to be a good movie. Meaning, slim chances. I don't think it'll have enough WW to offset your typical Snyder issues.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
A natural disaster or a society-shifting historical event of some kind would have to occur for IW to make less than JL.
Russo bros = You me and Dupree
Zack Snyder = Watchmen
Apparently Infinity War is gonna suck balls.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Lol, you're so biased. By your logic Guardians of the Galaxy V2 has made more money than WW, so Avengers 2 will be coasting on that goodwill? And let's see how well received Ragnarok and Black Panther are as well. Also, Civil War made $1.15 billion and that was with the Captain America branding as opposed to Avengers.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Unless the JL movie turns out bad and it kills the goodwill from WW because of that positioning.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
and Josh Brolin, possibly Brie Larson, Paul Rudd, and possibly Peter Dinklage.
the_darkness
Banned
Point taken
CaviarMeths
Member
IW. Ultron may have failed to capture the wow factor of the team getting together like the first time but the sheer scale of the cast and every single major hero getting together is crazy.
I feel Justice League has too much going against it but I'm sure it'll do fine BO wise. Still amazes me that they had Bats, Supes and Wonder Woman in a film and it didn't hit the billion mark. I guess word of mouth was just that toxic.
I feel Justice League has too much going against it but I'm sure it'll do fine BO wise. Still amazes me that they had Bats, Supes and Wonder Woman in a film and it didn't hit the billion mark. I guess word of mouth was just that toxic.
woah forgot Dinklage might be in this
Avengers:
Longer running franchise
The culmination that people have been waiting for since the first avengers movie
Guradians + Spider-Man + Avengers : all massive box office draws
They're probably gonna kill off some of the heroes
Guranteed high RT score
Not a chance JL does better.
Longer running franchise
The culmination that people have been waiting for since the first avengers movie
Guradians + Spider-Man + Avengers : all massive box office draws
They're probably gonna kill off some of the heroes
Guranteed high RT score
Not a chance JL does better.
quackamole
Member
Justice League stands no chance against the Avengers, seriously.