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PantherLotus said:
That's what I find interesting. Aleepermessiah is mad that Obama actually answered a question.
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White House: "Fox News is not a news organization"
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That's what I find interesting. Aleepermessiah is mad that Obama actually answered a question.
soul creator
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140.85 said:
Your concern is duly noted.
PantherLotus
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Yeah that's just trolling.
When this pushback against Fox started, I thought it was a bad idea and they'd just be upping Fox's ratings. I've now realized that it isn't even about Fox News at all. The strategy is to shame the real media into not legitimizing bogus Fox stories by reporting them as "controversies".
Notice how the legitimate news media isn't all over the Anita Dunn Mao garbage. Normally, the rest of the media would have parrotted Fox and made that the story of the week.
The insidiousness of Fox isn't that they openely broadcast GOP propaganda and talk radio drivel. It's that real news outlets get pressured into reporting their ridiculous stories as straight news because of their high ratings and accusations of "liberal bias". They have been setting the news agenda for years now and that's enabled right-wing talking-points to seep into the mainstream.
Notice how the legitimate news media isn't all over the Anita Dunn Mao garbage. Normally, the rest of the media would have parrotted Fox and made that the story of the week.
The insidiousness of Fox isn't that they openely broadcast GOP propaganda and talk radio drivel. It's that real news outlets get pressured into reporting their ridiculous stories as straight news because of their high ratings and accusations of "liberal bias". They have been setting the news agenda for years now and that's enabled right-wing talking-points to seep into the mainstream.
Divide and conquer seems to be working for now.
The commentators hand wringing over Obama making an enemies list or singling out Fox as being dumb may have missed the point.
By favoring the rest of the media and singling out Fox as an ideological outlet, which it is, (even if the accusation that it is a wing of the Republican party may have been far fetched) the Obama administration has had an impact on how their positions on issues are reported by isolating out Fox's slant from the rest of the media frenzy.
The commentators hand wringing over Obama making an enemies list or singling out Fox as being dumb may have missed the point.
By favoring the rest of the media and singling out Fox as an ideological outlet, which it is, (even if the accusation that it is a wing of the Republican party may have been far fetched) the Obama administration has had an impact on how their positions on issues are reported by isolating out Fox's slant from the rest of the media frenzy.
PantherLotus
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Cloudy said:
This is smart.
tekumseh
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140.85 said:
You mean like being upfront about how he sees Fox News? Fighting for a public insurance option that nearly 60% of the country support (and which 75% support for those who cannot afford insurance)? The only thing I see wrong with what he's doing is speaking out about such a small audience overall. At the end of the day, Fox viewership is still less than 1% of the population....
PantherLotus
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It was better when bowiez was debating semantics. Now all we have is a large, liberal echo chamber. Let's get some real debate going!
FOXNEWS is not a news organization. They're a tabloid. What's next, "BATBOY LIVES: IN THE WHITEHOUSE!"?
FOXNEWS is not a news organization. They're a tabloid. What's next, "BATBOY LIVES: IN THE WHITEHOUSE!"?
Here is a great piece by Glenn Greenwald on what real media control looks like:
http://salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/22/media
http://salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/22/media
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tekumseh said:
They account for 40% of the cognitive dissonance though.
Cloudy said:
It's still a bad idea and FOX's ratings will continue to rise. As Obama's approvals keep sliding.
As others have asked - do media outlets really want some sort of White House seal of approval? Is that really in their best interest?
This entire episode is pathetic and shameful. These are great times to be a conservative (who knew?) this admin is the gift that keeps on giving. I think some righty blogs are correct - this is about containment. Obama's burnt by the whole ACORN mess and he doesn't want it to happen again. But instead of manning up and facing the criticism he's trying to get his little busybodies to shut people up. What ever happen to rising above it all and hopeandchange?
And how exactly is this not news? :lol When you shove your face into the national spotlight, expect to have your past statements scrutinized. Especailly if you're starting some retarded war against a news outlet.
This is what I mean by right-wing talking points seeping into the mainstream. Obama was burned by the ACRON crap but was that fair? What does he have to do with some ACORN employees behaving badly besides them being an advocacy group that favors Democrats (because most Democrats actually care about minority issues!)
This retarded "guilt by association" crap that Fox "News" specializes in is NOT jounalism. It is just political smearing and legitimate news organizations shouldn't follow their lead..
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Cloudy said:
I seriously, seriously doubt the "real" media will continue refraining from Fox parroting. There's no upside to this, and the White House just opens itself up for attack.
Once Fox ratchets up the attacks again, after this spat has passed, the rest of the media will toe the line as well. Like it always does
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PhoenixDark said:
I hope you're wrong, but I fear you may be right. :|
ViperVisor
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140.85 said:
Mr semantics OUT THE ASS AND MOUTH to defend Limbaugh's wants this Lady to eat her words for a at worst lame joke reference.
Cognitive Dissonance, Distilled
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-e-burns/fox-news-is-the-story-wit_b_330102.html
The best article on this story that I've seen yet:
That's just the beginning of it..
The best article on this story that I've seen yet:
That's just the beginning of it..
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Cloudy
Eric Boehlert of Media Matters cut to the heart of it in a post. He said that these established media "liberals", who defend Fox or even go beyond and chastise the Admin for what they say, Don't watch Fox News.
That was floating around in my head and seeing it made it click.
You would assume they would notice the giant gorilla flinging shit in their backyard but they are most certainly oblivious.
Eric Boehlert of Media Matters cut to the heart of it in a post. He said that these established media "liberals", who defend Fox or even go beyond and chastise the Admin for what they say, Don't watch Fox News.
That was floating around in my head and seeing it made it click.
You would assume they would notice the giant gorilla flinging shit in their backyard but they are most certainly oblivious.
I got fed up with fox news a while ago (it was the only news station i watched... now i just don't watch any). But they do always have guests with opposing viewpoints to "balance" it out. Apart from Hannity/Beck/Oreilly (which shouldn't count anyway since they have opinion shows, and thus are entitled to talk about whatever the hell they want) it seems like the actual news programs (Studio B, Live Desk, etc.) are neutral. The news anchors don't give their opinion, and they have people from both sides of the issue debating
Am I missing something here? Is the WH just mainly pissed at the conservative commentator shows? Didn't CNN and NBC rip on Bush all the time when he was in office?
Am I missing something here? Is the WH just mainly pissed at the conservative commentator shows? Didn't CNN and NBC rip on Bush all the time when he was in office?
Why alienate a possible future employer?
Watch these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDR47EKTrCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx5ethd8JU
ViperVisor
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EzLink said:
Yes. The devil is in the details and even when you look at the par for the course shitty mid-day shows on cable news they more than occasionally dabble in smearing Obama or liberal things in general.
The whole point of partisan media (besides making you feel good when you watch MSNBC or read The Nation) is they they highlight stories which may have been overlooked by the press-at-large. It is not a good thing for the Office of the President to shame mainstream news networks into ignoring stories they may have not investigated, simply because the organizations that have happen to be ideologically-opposed to the ruling powers. In fact to do so (to abide by such a decree) is 100% contrary to the role of the press as an independent voice acting in the public interest.
The States need a government funded news organization eg. BBC, that reports the news like proper journalists. No biases, no slants, no politics, no entertainment, just information. The shit that goes on in the public cables news networks (especially Fox) is shameful, and the population is dumber because of it.
Simply because? Watch these videos:APF said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDR47EKTrCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx5ethd8JU
I don't think the United States has a civil society that can ensure integrity in such an organization.falastini said:
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falastini said:
DUMBEST statement of the thread (so far!)
Once we "The States" have a government funded news org, we'll know that this is truly the end of our Great and Free nation, you know, much like Britian. :lol :lol :lol
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Uhh... do those youtube videos really serve the purpose they were touting considering the first one is just a bunch of 2 second soundbites from the opinions of their opinion show hosts and their guests? And the second one was pretty much more of the same, there were a few news reports in there but those carried factually accurate information. Some people may not have seen those as relevant facts, but they weren't wrong.
Its like the ACORN stuff you folks keep wanting to gloss over, were there factual errors in the reports? And those asking what Obama has to do with ACORN it was Obama who kept saying they would have a "head at the table" for settings policy, and them being given the job of counting the census, so I do think it is in our interest to know how that business is run. If the tapes alone weren't enough the interview with the president of ACORN was enough to sour my taste for that organization. Show me an actual lie and maybe I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but its just like that Rush quote that is being spread around. No one can produce the actual audio of him saying that, they just keep calling him a racist desipite his number 2 guy being black. And considering all his shows are archived if he did say that actual quote I'm sure someone could bring up the actual audio for it.
Its like the ACORN stuff you folks keep wanting to gloss over, were there factual errors in the reports? And those asking what Obama has to do with ACORN it was Obama who kept saying they would have a "head at the table" for settings policy, and them being given the job of counting the census, so I do think it is in our interest to know how that business is run. If the tapes alone weren't enough the interview with the president of ACORN was enough to sour my taste for that organization. Show me an actual lie and maybe I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but its just like that Rush quote that is being spread around. No one can produce the actual audio of him saying that, they just keep calling him a racist desipite his number 2 guy being black. And considering all his shows are archived if he did say that actual quote I'm sure someone could bring up the actual audio for it.
You'd call the assertions in those videos "educating"? Well, I guess we'll just stop right there. And no, this is not a matter of us being from different ideological strands. I can appreciate completely different perspectives, but I'm also able to distinguish between mere belief and outright, systematically-produced bullshit.APF said:
No. "Assertions in the video" being the assertions by Fox News, obviously, not the assertions by Media Matters. Again.APF said:
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Wait wait wait. We have to reset here. I didn't realize you were talking about Media Matters in the first reply. My mistake. Let me reply again.
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I think PBS's Frontline is good.
Right, your post was just a little confusing and I didn't get what you were driving at. This takes us in a completely different direction.APF said:
PS, I like how instead of realizing that we were clearly talking about two different things, you were content to think that my posts were "backfiring" as I completely undid myself. :lol
I've never said that I completely agree with how the White House has handled this (Have they said that everyone has to ignore videos from media organizations, btw? Is that an actual implication?). And that's the central departure point. I think exposing Fox, however, is a completely different story and I took issue with your simple treatment of "the organizations that have happen to be ideologically-opposed to the ruling powers" and replied with the montages compiled by Media Matters. Simple.APF said:
Qwell said:
Ignoring those videos, there are plenty of other things that Fox News does that is so unprofessional it hurts my stomach ("Birth Certificate Conspiracy! Is Obama an American?" sort of shit) - then there are those times they purposely shopped democrats to look like... I don't even know, ugly versions of themselves. Then there's the whole... organizing and funding Tea Party Rallies, telling the crowd what to cheer, turning on the cameras and saying "Wow! Listen to that crowd cheer! These people are serious!".
I mean.... this isn't a hard game to play. They have plenty of shit on their hands.
Please... I am being sincere here, try and get your news and fact checking done at some neutral sources. Obama has never - ever --- ever said that he wanted ACORN at the head of any policy creating table. Ever. And Acorn was one of - 30,000 groups and organizations helping with the census - do you know why everyone picks out ACORN out of these 30,000? Even then, I can agree that ACORN needs to do some work, and maybe get rid of their commission based pay structure (as it can attract many unscrupulous employees) - but that has nothing to do with Obama - and trying to connect him to it is just... wow.
I am from Canada, and I can probably give you a list. One off the top of my head, is the Tea Part Coverage they did - after it was all done, they took out an add in some newspaper saying "How did CNN, MSNBC and [other news stations] miss this! Fox news is awesome!" (may not be word for word) - this text was at the top of a picture showing the protesters. This picture was taken by CNN's personal camera that ignores the fact that those Tea Parties were on ALL the channels. What those other news organizations where not doing was staging events and rallies, and encouraging protesters to scream and shout, and using this as material for their 'News' broadcasts.
Not to be mean, but did you really not know any of this?
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EzLink said:
They give it all the time, I don't know how you can say otherwise.
This is the Fox formula:
Reporter: I'm telling you anchor, I'm here on the scene where that democrat said that thing and real Americans are scared.
Anchor: What about parents? Shouldn't they be terrified for their innocent childrens' minds?
Reporter: You're right anchor, there's a real chance that thing that democrat said will make them Russian, gay or both.
Anchor: Thanks reporter. *Turns to co-anchor* Wow, can you believe that? It just goes to show that just when you think some of the democrats aren't commie queen pedophiles, they go and try to take even more of your rights. Gosh.
Co-anchor: Just shameful. Up next, America's awesome new tank that will have terrorists on the run - defense experts say it can flay an arab at up to 300 yards, you're not going to want to miss this.
I've come to learn Fox News doesn't represent real republicans. Just crazies
All of my republican pals hate to be associated with the Fox crowd.
It is very important that Fox isn't muddled with actual news outlets. That's been my mindset for many many years. Fox passes itself as a CNN for the anti-gay/anti-immigration/uneducated crowd.
The birth certificate and death panel stories for example. How shitty is our media that these lies and non issues are covered?
All of my republican pals hate to be associated with the Fox crowd.
It is very important that Fox isn't muddled with actual news outlets. That's been my mindset for many many years. Fox passes itself as a CNN for the anti-gay/anti-immigration/uneducated crowd.
The birth certificate and death panel stories for example. How shitty is our media that these lies and non issues are covered?
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LiveFromKyoto said:
Like I said before, CNN ran with the headline "Saddam's Threat to The Babies of America" before the Iraq war, for a segment that was all about terrorists potentially wanting to poison baby food products.
All your media are owned by entertainment companies really, or conglomerates that have an interest in not delivering actual news.
A GOVERNMENT FINANCED MEDIA? YOU MEAN LIKE THE BBC, PBS, APM, AND NPR? YOU MEAN THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO NOT ONLY BE MANAGING THE AIRWAVES AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TELEVISION, THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO FINANCE STATIONS AND BRAINSWASH US ALL BY MANIPULATING OUR BRAINS?!
TO WAR!!!11111
(Seriously, :lol @ people saying the prospect of a state financed tv channel being scary. )
TO WAR!!!11111
(Seriously, :lol @ people saying the prospect of a state financed tv channel being scary. )
PantherLotus said:
Real debate?
I'll try some points:
- PoliGAF is so completey unaware of itself, that in the very same thread which they rag on Fox News for being a horrible news organisation (which it is), they post articles from the other side of the coin, The Huffington Post, and treat it as legitimate (you thought I was going to say MSNBC, but that's dumb). Doing so completey waters down this desire for an actual fair and balanced (actually, not crappy Fox News buzzwords) new sources. You guys really just want a liberal version of Fox News.
- By focusing on Fox News, Obama is deflecting legitimate criticism. I mean, it's easy to pick apart Fox News' arguments, because most of the time they're either slanted, exaggerated, outright lies, or all of the above. By acting as if the only complaints are such, the Whitehouse can get people to ignore the legitimate complaints - that despite having the presidency and majority in the house and sentate, they're not actually doing anything.
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legend166 said:
Are you fucking kidding me? No administration has done this much in its first year since the New Deal.
The only reason it doesn't seem like anything is getting done is because the largest piece of legislature, the health care bill, has been stalled for months. We literally had been waiting since July for the Senate Finance Committee to get something done, and only now are we finally getting to see a full Senate bill. The House has been sitting on a complete bill for months now, and has made half a dozen alternatives for analysis since Baucus has stalled for so damn long in the other chamber.
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