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[GaimeGuy]

Uh, government funding represented an already small share of what PBS and NPR take in before it was cut further several years ago.

yeah, I know, only like 20% I think (40-ish percent when you factor in taxes at the state and local level).

I'm just saying, when people respond to the prospect of state funded media like we're gonig to turn into fucking North Korea or some shit like that, it's completely irrational and ignores the current reality.

 

[empty vessel]

The whole point of partisan media (besides making you feel good when you watch MSNBC or read The Nation) is they they highlight stories which may have been overlooked by the press-at-large. It is not a good thing for the Office of the President to shame mainstream news networks into ignoring stories they may have not investigated, simply because the organizations that have happen to be ideologically-opposed to the ruling powers. In fact to do so (to abide by such a decree) is 100% contrary to the role of the press as an independent voice acting in the public interest.

The mainstream, corporate press has a fiduciary duty to maximize profits for its shareholders. I don't know what this independent-voice-acting-in-the-public-interest nonsense you're spouting is about.

 

[adamsappel]

You guys really just want a liberal version of Fox News.

I would love a liberal version of Fox News. MSNBC ain't it. I also want a liberal version of George Bush, and Obama ain't that, either.

 

[bob_arctor]

So how goes it at Fox? Has the stifling begun? Has Karl Rove educated us on the shameful conduct of this Administration? Do conservatives have an even larger persecution complex?

 

[scorcho]

So how goes it at Fox? Has the stifling begun? Has Karl Rove educated us on the shameful conduct of this Administration? Do conservatives have an even larger persecution complex?

persecution complex? you mean that blacks haven't run amok since election day?

 

[Schattenjäger]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

 

[bob_arctor]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

I'll be honest. I never watch it and what I've seen is only clips on the Daily Show. I'm sure a station that employs both Karl Rove and Bill Kristol can't be completely full of shit though.

 

[Hitokage]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

I've watched a lot, but not because I put the channel there.

 

[Agnostic]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

I watch it. The problem is that I start getting flashbacks from my acid trips because the channel reminds me of another reality.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I still say it's just Murdoch ego-tripping.

He already has politicians licking his asshole, if he manages to takedown the president of the unitied states no one will dare to oppose him nor his interests.

 

[APF]

The mainstream, corporate press has a fiduciary duty to maximize profits for its shareholders.

True, much like *you* are a corporate tool of a private entity, where your speech is heavily regulated by corporate mandate, with the benefit of being able to speak on an elite venue but at the constant threat of having that benefit payout revoked if you harm the corporate bottom line, and therefore do no public good by speaking here.

 

[SCReuter]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

I've seen everything the channel has had to offer within the last four years, including Red Eye and now-defunct shows like "1/2 Hour News Hour," E.D. Hill's "America's Pulse" and John Gibson's "The Big Story."

With the exception of maybe Studio B with Shepard Smith, it's all garbage.

 

[PantherLotus]

Real debate?

I'll try some points:

1. PoliGAF is so completey unaware of itself, that in the very same thread which they rag on Fox News for being a horrible news organisation (which it is), they post articles from the other side of the coin, The Huffington Post, and treat it as legitimate (you thought I was going to say MSNBC, but that's dumb). Doing so completey waters down this desire for an actual fair and balanced (actually, not crappy Fox News buzzwords) new sources. You guys really just want a liberal version of Fox News.

2. By focusing on Fox News, Obama is deflecting legitimate criticism. I mean, it's easy to pick apart Fox News' arguments, because most of the time they're either slanted, exaggerated, outright lies, or all of the above. By acting as if the only complaints are such, the Whitehouse can get people to ignore the legitimate complaints - that despite having the presidency and majority in the house and sentate, they're not actually doing anything.

1. What conservative media would you like PoliGAF to cover, then? Politico? Drudge Report? I'm pretty sure I've seen you in that thread never, so I'm going to assume you really have nothing to add. But you're certainly welcome to join. We need a healthy debate.

2. Legitimate Criticism? Yes, there are things to legitimately criticize President Obama on. You can feel free to name them, but you'll certainly roll out the familiar birther criticism, deather hysteria, and socialist fear-mongering that is all the rage right now. But really, what legitimate criticism do you feel is being dismissed here?

3. And then you said the fucking "not actually doing anything" meme. Good god. Which is it? Is he tearing down our national ideals of personal freedoms and replacing it with a socialist state? Or is he just lazy, (like all minorities?) and "not actually doing anything?"

Or perhaps what you meant to say is, "President Obama has actually done pretty much exactly what he said he would do, outside of a couple issues that are upsetting the furthest left because he hasn't done them quick enough." ? Is that what you meant? Here's a checklist that was about 20 PoliGAF pages old yesterday:

(you might want to find a better source of information than FOXNEWS, chump)

=========================================================================
::::::::ECONOMY:::::::::::::::::HEALTH CARE:::::::::::::::::NEW ENERGY:::::::::::::::::EDUCATION:::::::::::
=========================================================================

:::THE CHECKLIST:::

Balance of Power | Constitutional Issues | Undoing Bush
[X] Reversal of Bush's Preemption of States
[X] Reenergize Freedom of Information Act | New Era of Transparency
[X] Reverse ban of foreign aid to countries with Abortions (The Mexico City Policy)
[X] Ease the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits | Lilly Ledbetter Act
[X] Selected Supreme Court replacement Sonia Sotomayor

Economy | Jobs
[X] Lower Class Tax Cuts/Upper Class Tax Hikes (repealing the Bush Tax cuts for the rich)
[X] Help American Auto Industry Survive Depression
[X] Credit card reform gets passed, signed into law
[X] Signed additional mortgage fraud protections into law
[X] American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (stimulus package)


Environment | New Energy
[X] New mileage and emissions standards set, with industry, labor, environmental and state approval
[ ] Regulate Power Plants, Factories, Oil Refineries to curb greenhouse gasses
[ ] 1 Million Plug-In Hybrids vehicles by 2015.http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/08/04/obama-1-million-plug-in-hybrid-vehicles-by-2015/
[ ] Green Energy Bill


Health Care
[X] Reauthorize State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
[X] Reverse Bush policy that prevents federal tax dollars from use in embryonic stem cell research
[ ] Health Care Overhaul - Public Option with Opt-Out Plan
[ ] Health Care (insurance for every American)


Defense | Foreign Relations | Diplomacy | Iraq/Afghanistan
[X] Weapons procurement gets overhaul
[X] Make diplomatic efforts at engaging Islamic Middle Eastern Countries in dialogue
[X] Scrap plans for Missile Defense Sites in Eastern Europe
[X] Win Nobel Peace Prize in first year of Presidency
[ ] Closing Guatanamo Bay
[ ] Torture Commision - Full Disclosure and Accounting
[ ] War in Iraq Draw-down and Resolution
[ ] War in Afghanistan Resolution



=========================================================================

FOXNEWS remains not a news organization. They are a circus act, meant to distract you, demean your intelligence, and reinforce your racist beliefs. They're doing well.

 

[Mario]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

I've watched a lot of Fox since becoming a Daily Show fan because it is like a parody of a news channel. It was funny for a while, until it became cringeworthy and then almost upsetting (and I live in New Zealand).

I think the most basic evidence that Fox News is not a "legitimate" news channel is the fact that 95% of their programming is opinion and pundits. There is hardly ever any actual news which is just straight up reporting of happenings and events. Fox generally just has a few talking points extracted from news snippets that it spends all day just talking about, and the tone and manner in which those discussions occur definitely has a right wing bias IMO. I don't think I have ever seen a journalist on the channel who hasn't offered a personal opinion regularly.

The relentlessness of their approach is scary.

 

[bob_arctor]

Oh damn. You done got PantherLotus all hot and bothered. He's even more upset than Bill Kristol was when the invasion of Iraq turned into a quagmire of awesome job, President Bush!

 

[blame space]

True, much like *you* are a corporate tool of a private entity, where your speech is heavily regulated by corporate mandate, with the benefit of being able to speak on an elite venue but at the constant threat of having that benefit payout revoked if you harm the corporate bottom line, and therefore do no public good by speaking here.

Okay, who wants to try and make sense of this?

 

[bob_arctor]

Okay, who wants to try and make sense of this?

I think it has to do with mods and the threat of being banned depending on what you say. I think.

 

[legend166]

Well damn. All we need is Dorothy, the Tin Man and the Lion and we've got ourselves a full on Wizard of Oz reunion. We've certainly got enough strawmen.

1. What conservative media would you like PoliGAF to cover, then? Politico? Drudge Report? I'm pretty sure I've seen you in that thread never, so I'm going to assume you really have nothing to add. But you're certainly welcome to join. We need a healthy debate.

Why would I want you to talk about conservative news sources? You've missed my point entirely. I'm saying that the people on GAF have no problem lambasting one obviously biased news source (Fox News), whilst welcoming the other with open arms (Huffington Post) purely because it agrees with their views. It's ridiculous.

2. Legitimate Criticism? Yes, there are things to legitimately criticize President Obama on. You can feel free to name them, but you'll certainly roll out the familiar birther criticism, deather hysteria, and socialist fear-mongering that is all the rage right now. But really, what legitimate criticism do you feel is being dismissed here?

Hahaha. So because I don't think Obama is black Jesus I must be:

a) A birther.
b) A deather (I don't even know what this means)
c) Socialist fear mongerer

How daft are you? Birthers are morons, and I live in a country with socialised health care which I participate in and support. I believe that a basic operating principle of a government should be to try and keep its citizens healthy. Keep on assuming though, it makes you look really smart.

3. And then you said the fucking "not actually doing anything" meme. Good god. Which is it? Is he tearing down our national ideals of personal freedoms and replacing it with a socialist state? Or is he just lazy, (like all minorities?) and "not actually doing anything?"

Or perhaps what you meant to say is, "President Obama has actually done pretty much exactly what he said he would do, outside of a couple issues that are upsetting the furthest left because he hasn't done them quick enough." ? Is that what you meant? Here's a checklist that was about 20 PoliGAF pages old yesterday:

I'll go through that list later (doing uni assignments at the minute), but the fact you put the noble prize on the list makes me lol.

(you might want to find a better source of information than FOXNEWS, chump)

I don't get my information from Fox News. I watch a lot of it because my mum does. I draw the line at Glenn Beck and Laura Ingraham though. Any time those two are on, off it goes if I'm in the room.

I like to read The Economist, actually.

FOXNEWS remains not a news organization. They are a circus act, meant to distract you, demean your intelligence, and reinforce your racist beliefs. They're doing well.

Well, it's good of you to just come out and accuse me of being a racist. It will certainly strengthen your argument and get me to listen to your point of view.

People like you don't realise just how close you are to those you criticise every day. You act as if you desperately want some 'real conversation' about politics, but I barely said anything and you've already called me a racist and a conspiracy theorist. What the hell is that?

Sounds like something Fox News did when people criticised Bush. But like I said, two sides, same coin, and all that jazz.

And for reference, the reason I don't post in the PoliGAF thread (I read it all the time during the election) is because it's a dumb thread. By keeping everything in one thread, it shuts off the actually possibilty for varied and interesting debate. It eventually just becomes a incestual circle jerk......just live Fox News.

 

[Firestorm]

Real debate?

I'll try some points:

- PoliGAF is so completey unaware of itself, that in the very same thread which they rag on Fox News for being a horrible news organisation (which it is), they post articles from the other side of the coin, The Huffington Post, and treat it as legitimate (you thought I was going to say MSNBC, but that's dumb). Doing so completey waters down this desire for an actual fair and balanced (actually, not crappy Fox News buzzwords) new sources. You guys really just want a liberal version of Fox News.

- By focusing on Fox News, Obama is deflecting legitimate criticism. I mean, it's easy to pick apart Fox News' arguments, because most of the time they're either slanted, exaggerated, outright lies, or all of the above. By acting as if the only complaints are such, the Whitehouse can get people to ignore the legitimate complaints - that despite having the presidency and majority in the house and sentate, they're not actually doing anything.

A very liberal man, Jon Stewart, goes on TV every night Monday to Thursday and criticizes both Obama and his opposition while making me laugh =)

Oh and the difference between The Huffington Post and Fox, again, is that they don't make the news. They also do not represent themselves as a "fair and balanced" network like Fox does. They are the liberal version of the Drudge Report and that is how they present themselves.

 

[bob_arctor]

And for reference, the reason I don't post in the PoliGAF thread (I read it all the time during the election) is because it's a dumb thread. By keeping everything in one thread, it shuts off the actually possibilty for varied and interesting debate. It eventually just becomes an incestual circle jerk......just like Fox News.

There's actually some good discussion on healthcare in there, specifically the jostling on policy etc. And financial/economic talk is usually solid as well. There are a fair number of reliably informative posters in that thread who have no problem engaging in varied and interesting debate. Since you read the election thread, you should know who they are. I say give 'em a shot. Panther is a little....over-reactionary sometimes.

 

[legend166]

A very liberal man, Jon Stewart, goes on TV every night Monday to Thursday and criticizes both Obama and his opposition while making me laugh =)

I know, I'm a fan of Jon Stewart.

Oh and the difference between The Huffington Post and Fox, again, is that they don't make the news. They also do not represent themselves as a "fair and balanced" network like Fox does. They are the liberal version of the Drudge Report and that is how they present themselves.

I'm referring to GAF and others represent them though, and the supposed 'elightened' who look down at those who watch Fox News, whilst happily follow along to the beat of a different drummer. It happens all the time.

Topic: Fox News report says blah blah

Replies: LOL FAUX NEWS IDIOTS

Topic: Huffington Post says blah blah

Replies: Oh why yes, this seems like a well reasoned and balanced article full of fair insight into todays political landscape.

When most likely, both are full of crap.

 

[cntr]

I'm referring to GAF and others represent them though, and the supposed 'elightened' who look down at those who watch Fox News, whilst happily follow along to the beat of a different drummer. It happens all the time.

Topic: Fox News report says blah blah

Replies: LOL FAUX NEWS IDIOTS

Topic: Huffington Post says blah blah

Replies: Oh why yes, this seems like a well reasoned and balanced article full of fair insight into todays political landscape.

When most likely, both are full of crap.

Most articles I've seen posted and taken seriously from Huffington Post are opinion articles.

 

[theBishop]

Anything involving ACORN or Bill Ayers is not news.

There was an interesting "debate" about this on The Young Turks yesterday if anyone is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkL5lZqWZ1U

 

[PantherLotus]

1. Well damn. All we need is Dorothy, the Tin Man and the Lion and we've got ourselves a full on Wizard of Oz reunion. We've certainly got enough strawmen.


2. Why would I want you to talk about conservative news sources? You've missed my point entirely. I'm saying that the people on GAF have no problem lambasting one obviously biased news source (Fox News), whilst welcoming the other with open arms (Huffington Post) purely because it agrees with their views. It's ridiculous.


3. Hahaha. So because I don't think Obama is black Jesus I must be:

a) A birther.
b) A deather (I don't even know what this means)
c) Socialist fear mongerer

How daft are you? Birthers are morons, and I live in a country with socialised health care which I participate in and support. I believe that a basic operating principle of a government should be to try and keep its citizens healthy. Keep on assuming though, it makes you look really smart.

4. I'll go through that list later (doing uni assignments at the minute), but the fact you put the noble prize on the list makes me lol.

5. I don't get my information from Fox News. I watch a lot of it because my mum does. I draw the line at Glenn Beck and Laura Ingraham though. Any time those two are on, off it goes if I'm in the room.

I like to read The Economist, actually.

6. Well, it's good of you to just come out and accuse me of being a racist. It will certainly strengthen your argument and get me to listen to your point of view.

People like you don't realise just how close you are to those you criticise every day. You act as if you desperately want some 'real conversation' about politics, but I barely said anything and you've already called me a racist and a conspiracy theorist. What the hell is that?

Sounds like something Fox News did when people criticised Bush. But like I said, two sides, same coin, and all that jazz.

7. And for reference, the reason I don't post in the PoliGAF thread (I read it all the time during the election) is because it's a dumb thread. By keeping everything in one thread, it shuts off the actually possibilty for varied and interesting debate.

8. It eventually just becomes a incestual circle jerk......just live Fox News.

1. That's pretty cute. First time you used that one I bet.

2. People have no problem lambasting FOX and ignoring Huffington Post because HP isn't being held up as a quality news source, nor does make up lies. It may be liberal, and it may be snarky, but it isn't a major cable tabloid parading itself as an actual news organization.

3. So you're not a birther or a deather. Congrats, you passed the "I have an IQ larger than broccoli" test. Please forgive me, the "not actually doing anything" comment made me think you were dumb. Easy mistake.

4. Yeah, the Nobel Prize being on there really wasn't on his checklist. You might notice the heading it was under, though. It means something, and starting wars for his corporate oil friends isn't it.

5. This is awesome! You draw the line at Ingram and Beck! How civil! No seriously. Hannity doesn't get you going a little bit? O'Reilly? Dick Morris? That cute little ticker at the bottom where facts are distorted into smears? At least you read The Economist, which means you're getting your distorted worldview from more than the FOX circus acts.

6. I don't think you're racist. I just can't place that "not actually doing anything" comment in any other locale than assumptive prejudice (and ironic, sadly, that I'm the one that appears to assume). I'll gladly accept that criticism, but I am not accusing you of being racist. The bit after the large quote was not directed at you, actually. It should have said "one's racist beliefs."

7. As far as you not posting in the PoliGAF thread, it's your loss man. It's obvious you don't actually read the thing or you would know better--and you might actually be better informed (at least informed enough to better define what "not actually doing anything" means). Either way, I see a number of people that circle the drain in these threads, defending their stupid beliefs, but don't dare set foot in the PoliGAF thread because of some giant left-wing GAF conspiracy to hold them down. Whatever. I think it's more along the lines of having stupid arguments destroyed by those with a modicum of intellectual capacity for debate.

8. It's worth noting that you agree that FOX is an incestuous circle-jerk, though.

 

[Corwood Rep]

Man, you're being a really condescending asshole. Seriously. How about you respond to people with the basic dignity they deserve instead of constantly insulting people and making overreaching assumptions about them? Legend isn't even a Republican, for fuck's sake.

 

[PistolGrip]

The mainstream is too damn liberal. Fox News is great. It's the ONLY news channel I watch. I can't stomach CNN or MSNBC.

The people who watch FOX are usually not well informed of what has happened in the world. They also tend to be non-educated and religious. Why would you want to brand yourself in this way???

The reason why the media is liberal is that educated people tend to be more liberal... In addition, this correlation is growing as the GOP self-destructs and educated people see right through their nonsense. Maybe if the GOP had more dignity. I would be a republican if this were the case. I hate welfare, limited border control, the fact that we are not incentivizing nuclear energy more. The fact that people with kids live in a bigger apartment and have better food than I while having no job (and I am single get paid 6 figures but get ass rape in taxes). Living in NYC, I have met a lot of these people and when you try and find out what their ambitions are, you get a blank stare or they tell you about their dream job as a McDs manager making $8 an hour but they need another 10 years to get there.

I am just hopeful that with all this help, their kids may grow up to be productive members of society and I have seen many examples of that especially when they are inspired by great teachers and schools.

BTW, most of the people I know when they receive tax refunds which typically amounts to over 10K, while earning 18K (go figure...) they put it as down payment and buy a luxury car. WTF! Meanwhile I am struggling to save to buy my car right now. I would gladly pay for their education and a roof over their head with taxes but they need to be held accountable. Just as if we are outraged at the bailouts, we should be outraged at some of these people. If they buy a luxury car, it should be taken away and they should be shamed for it. We can have a number to call for any fraudulent behavior or excessive living. If you do not like it then do not have the government support your ass. If you continue to fail in going to class and studying (they get free training), then your money is taken away. Have kids and no time, ok we will give you free child services (the government does btw) for you to continue school and try and work. Have an attitude problem and you keep losing your job? Then take anger management classes and counseling and if it doesn’t improve then help is minimal until you show improvement. I want to see results not excuses.

/rant ... Overall it is probably a small percent of what our taxes are spent on anyway. Plus what I mention is easier said then done ... social problems are complicated, who knew

 

[scorcho]

This entire episode is pathetic and shameful. These are great times to be a conservative (who knew?) this admin is the gift that keeps on giving. I think some righty blogs are correct - this is about containment. Obama's burnt by the whole ACORN mess and he doesn't want it to happen again. But instead of manning up and facing the criticism he's trying to get his little busybodies to shut people up. What ever happen to rising above it all and hopeandchange?

Few outside of a rabid conservative base cares a whit about ACORN. I also don't see the problem with dismissing an outlet that continually bends the truth and practically endorses anti-government rallies now that a Democrat is POTUS.

Other than a shrinking demographic and party capture by a lunatic base you're right - it's a great time to be a conservative.

 

[TruHero]

ConservGAF doesn't post in PoliGAF because they don't want to defend the Republicans. All they want to do is attack Dems like their leaders do on AM radio. Either that or they know their talking points are BS and they don't want to back them up.

Serious debate is welcome in PoliGAF. Just don't expect RNC talking points to go unquestioned. The liberals in PoliGAF aren't the same type of pathetic, timid liberals (J.William & Colmes) on Fox News.

 

[PantherLotus]

Man, you're being a really condescending asshole. Seriously. How about you respond to people with the basic dignity they deserve instead of constantly insulting people and making overreaching assumptions about them? Legend isn't even a Republican, for fuck's sake.

Something about the wizard of oz, being daft, and not posting in the thread because it's filled with people that resemble the people they criticize? How dare me!

 

[PistolGrip]

Something about the wizard of oz, being daft, and not posting in the thread because it's filled with people that resemble the people they criticize? How dare me!

I agree with him, stop being such a schmuck, keep that crap in the gaming section. If you cant be civil, why not keep your post to news and charts.

 

[PantherLotus]

I agree with him, stop being such a schmuck, keep that crap in the gaming section. If you cant be civil, why not keep your post to news and charts.

Why are you taking this thread about FOX"NEWS" and making this personal?

 

[Opiate]

While not entirely untrue, it's not entirely true that educated people tend to be more liberal, either.

Every survey I've ever seen has the demographics like this:

1) Totally uneducated: very liberal
2) Highschool diploma: more conservative than group 1.
3) Some college: even more conservative than group 2.
4) College degree: the most conservative constituency of all.

That certainly makes it look like you get more conservative as you get more educated, does it not? Of course, this ignores group 5:

5) Graduate degree. Precipitous movement towards liberalism, approximately as liberal as group 1.

So the most educated group of all does tend to be liberal, but it's important to point out that it isn't as simple as "the more educated you are, the more likely you are to be liberal," as that simply isn't the case.

 

[BowieZ]

Why are you taking this thread about FOX"NEWS" and making this personal?

I think it's because you were getting personal, first -- apparently -- and so these people are calling you out personally to make you stop being so condescending and schmucky.

 

[soul creator]

this made me chuckle

Ailes knows how to frame an issue better than anybody

and how!

 

[TruHero]

4) College degree: the most conservative constituency of all.

I thought Obama was the first Dem prez to win the majority of college educated voters, no?

 

[PantherLotus]

^I heard that too. He may be referring to earlier studies where only a certain type of people were really attending college. I think that what the average college student looks like and where he or she comes from has drastically altered in the past 30 years, with the main line of demarcation some time around 1989.

While not entirely untrue, it's not entirely true that educated people tend to be more liberal, either.

Every survey I've ever seen has the demographics like this:

1) Totally uneducated: very liberal
2) Highschool diploma: more conservative than group 1.
3) Some college: even more conservative than group 2.
4) College degree: the most conservative constituency of all.

That certainly makes it look like you get more conservative as you get more educated, does it not? Of course, this ignores group 5:

5) Graduate degree. Precipitous movement towards liberalism, approximately as liberal as group 1.

So the most educated group of all does tend to be liberal, but it's important to point out that it isn't as simple as "the more educated you are, the more likely you are to be liberal," as that simply isn't the case.

I think it's more along the lines of socio-economic status. Those with more money have the most ability to go to college. Those with the most money tend to be Republican?

 

[Opiate]

I thought Obama was the first Dem prez to win the majority of college educated voters, no?

I believe he was the first in a long time, yes. You can see why that doesn't change my point, right? It can still be the most conservative constituency.

If we're going to get even more specific, the most conservative constituency is college educated white males. With no graduate degree, of course.

 

[PantherLotus]

I believe he was the first in a long time, yes. You can see why that doesn't change my point, right? It can still be the most conservative constituency.

If we're going to get even more specific, the most conservative constituency is college educated white males. With no graduate degree, of course.

And studies have shown that white males are the most quickly descending group of people pursuing a college education in the United States. In particular, women are graduating more than men at a 1.5-1.0 rate, I think.

Let me look that up.

edit:
maybe not that large. THIS PAPER says the women:men ration is 58:42 since 1982.

 

[TruHero]

Something about the wizard of oz, being daft, and not posting in the thread because it's filled with people that resemble the people they criticize? How dare me!

Don't want to add to the shit-pile here, but yeah, your responses to him were schmuck-y a bit. Then again, he did attack PoliGAF with nothing of substance.

 

[PantherLotus]

Don't want to add to the shit-pile here, but yeah, your responses to him were schmuck-y a bit. Then again, he did attack PoliGAF with nothing of substance.

I think its time to move on.

The current discussion is whether changing demographics in college graduation rates will also effect the educated to Republican distribution. The common myth is that those with an education will tend to be liberal, and according to Opiate, that is demonstrably untrue. I hold that it's a socioeconomic issue of availability and access, but changing and improving community programs and access to student loans is changing that.

 

[BowieZ]

I think its time to move on.

I like how you get to decide the order of business, yet when you wish to call someone out on unnecessary personal attacks, you'll be the first to do so...

In other words, you're being hypocritical, no? The thread is about the White House taking time out from an ongoing debate (healthcare) to call out someone (Fox News) for its unfair attacks on Obama, and here you are guilty of the same thing... to an extent.

 

[TruHero]

I believe he was the first in a long time, yes. You can see why that doesn't change my point, right? It can still be the most conservative constituency.

I can see your point. My point, however, was that the college educated constituency is trending away from Limbaugh admirers.

 

[TruHero]

The common myth is that those with an education will tend to be liberal...

I see that as just another RNC talking point. It's part of their larger anti-intellectual agenda to label all (mainly just public) education as liberal indoctrination facilities.

 

[Josh7289]

I don't care what way you lean, the government leading an overt campaign to discredit a news outlet is fucked up.

It's so tired and cliched, but if President Bush led an aggressive public charge to discredit MSNBC or CNN many of the same cheerleaders here would be raging about misuse of power.

Some things should transcend party affiliation.

Yeah, this is true. I greatly dislike Fox News, but even I can see that the government telling others to avoid Fox News is not such a good thing.

Then again, Fox News really is biased while pretending it's not... It surely messes up a lot of people's opinions about things.

 

[tekumseh]

The biggest argument to be made against Fox is the nearly complete absence of liberal leaning contributors. Bob Beckel is on occasionally, Colmes still makes a token appearance, Juan Williams is allegedly a lefty, and, of course, Pat Caddell who, while serving several prominent democrats over the years clearly these days leans more in a conservative direction.


MSNBC is no different as a counterbalance, very few conservatives, aside from Pat Buchanan as a part of their discourse.

CNN is truly the only one of these outlets who, at the very least, tries to provide viewpoints realtively equally from both sides of an argument. Their opinion commentators are usually always divided equally between left and right. Bill Bennett, Alex Castellanos, Bay Buchanan, Mary Matlin, Ed Rollins are all clearly conservatives while Paul Begala, Donna Brazile, James Carville, Roland Martin, etc., are clearly all liberals...

 

[PantherLotus]

I like how you get to decide the order of business, yet when you wish to call someone out on unnecessary personal attacks, you'll be the first to do so...

In other words, you're being hypocritical, no? The thread is about the White House taking time out from an ongoing debate (healthcare) to call out someone (Fox News) for its unfair attacks on Obama, and here you are guilty of the same thing... to an extent.

That's not technically true, but I'd rather not continue down this path. I think the most personal thing I said was, "chump," and shame on me for doing so. I was responding to a not-so-free-from-personal-attack post as you would suggest, but whatever. It doesn't matter.

Of course, even if I was, am, and continue to be hypocritical (which I'm not), it wouldn't matter. I'm not a multi-billion dollar public relations smear campaign working for an entire political party.

 

[PantherLotus]

The biggest argument to be made against Fox is the nearly complete absence of liberal leaning contributors. Bob Beckel is on occasionally, Colmes still makes a token appearance, Juan Williams is allegedly a lefty, and, of course, Pat Caddell who, while serving several prominent democrats over the years clearly these days leans more in a conservative direction.


MSNBC is no different as a counterbalance, very few conservatives, aside from Pat Buchanan as a part of their discourse.

CNN is truly the only one of these outlets who, at the very least, tries to provide viewpoints realtively equally from both sides of an argument. Their opinion commentators are usually always divided equally between left and right. Bill Bennett, Alex Castellanos, Bay Buchanan, Mary Matlin, Ed Rollins are all clearly conservatives while Paul Begala, Donna Brazile, James Carville, Roland Martin, etc., are clearly all liberals...

I think the problem isn't the number of contributors each network has, but rather that one is actually reporting news and attempting to analyze it, while one network is giving you snippits of fake reality and smearing it to make it look as bad or excitingly shocking as possible. FOX is a tabloid, no different than WorldNews or any of the sleaziest British rags.

 

[MMaRsu]

Shut Fox News fucking down. I hate them so much but I don't even live over there.

 

[Sol..]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

dude, every time i watch news I always flip between CNN and FOX because the differences of how they run their programs amuses me. One time last month I saw CNN covering some bullshit story about dancing babies or some shit. And i don't know who that black anchor is. but for some reason I just wanna punch that cheese eating motha fucka in the face. ANYWAYS, so i flip to FOX and the first thing that pops up is some former house member (Duke?) that was recently jailed talking about how the jews are running all the shit.

GAME OVER MAN

GAME FUCKING OVER.

That's precisely why I always flip to FOX news. There will always be someone on there spiting some ol crazy shit that in most other contexts on TV you'd think they were kidding.

I still maintain they let this shit go for entertainment. FOX news is real, fantastic, entertainment.

 

[ProfessorLobo]

I wonder how many people here actually watch Fox News to formulate their own opinion about the news channel... my guess is not a lot

For people comparing to MSNBC the answer is no.