If your freedom of speach laws will give you nazis in power you can keep them
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Who's currently the Leader of the Free World?
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would have expected a German to understand the difference between the Nazi party and what's happening in America currently
His foreign policy is literally a Nazis view on the world(Bannon).
Kuroi Gogeta
Member
Is it though? it seems to have more in common with early 20th century american isolationism than nazism, which actively calls for the killing of ethnic groups
You mean like that time he called to kill muslim families because they might or might not be associated to terrorists or that time muslim civilian deaths are drastically up since he became president?
You can literally go on for an hour if you think about his muslim policy, his statements regarding immigrants etc.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
A comedy candidate in Maidenhead, totally useless at politics, unable to debate and seems to want to lose everything for fun. She's pictured here with leader of the free World Lord Buckethead.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Lol no it absolutely doesn't. We have people more and more tolerating the rise of fascism and calling nazism just a difference of opinion that deserves national platforms that's how absurd our free speech laws are as well as how they're understood.
IaN_GAF
Member
Can you explain why you say the free speech laws of America are better than those in The Netherlands?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
For those that don't know:
The Netherlands is far more progressive than the U.S. and part of it is due to laws like these. Since our culture takes so much from the Dutch we should seriously consider copying these laws verbatim because holy shit consider the notion that we even have to question who the leader of the free world is because our presidency is an incredibly dangerous laughing stock.
lucebuce12
Member
If she isn't then she should be.
Kuroi Gogeta
Member
I'm starting to look like I'm defending Trump or nazism, I am absolutely not, I just want us to be precise here. Yes what he is talking about is a war-crime, but to compare it with Nazism doesn't seem accurate to me as from what I understand about the Nazi party, they saw jews and other ethnic groups not as enemy combatants that they could match in battle and must resort to extreme measures like killing their families/affiliates to send a message--but as actual parasites that could be killed easily. The threat that nazis percieved Jewish people and others to be was more insidious, they were viewed as groups that "pollute" the "purity" of any country they enter, not as people who actually had weapons and could do harm. The assumption that the average Trump voter has when it comes to Muslims and Islam is that they have hate for america and will use violence to get their way. A Trump foreign policy represents a validation of those fears and an approach to Islam that is based upon perceiving Arabs as armed threats and their families as collaborators. It has more in common with the classic American Paranoia around communism and McCarthyism more-so than nazism, which itself borrows heavily from imperialism and overt ideas of "purity" and the defense of "purity"
DiipuSurotu
Banned
If she isn't then she should be.
This is the first time I see Merkel with a smirk.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
What country has more freedoms than America?
Better yet, list the countries that have better bills of rights and constitutional admendments than the US of A. After naming this country, explain why you havent moved there.
I have no idea where this US delusion of "the most free country in the world" is coming from. But it's quite embarrassing that so many people still believe this nonsense.
https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index
Austriacus
Member
To add to the human freedom index posted above me, you can look at the democracy index where the USA is below 20 countries and the press freedom index where its below 42 countries, so take your pick.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm gonna say Merkel/Germany.
American here - I say Marcon. His speech to America concerning the Paris Agreement was what really got me on his side. He's well spoken, has the right temperament, and is confident enough to reach out and send a positive forward thinking message.
Canada has got a looker for sure, however surface level that assessment may be. Justin, I think is the man for social issues. He doesn't seem to let politics compromise his stances and will make little gestures towards that, like standing away from world leaders yuking it up with Trump.
Merkel may have the tidiest "ship" in this race. But I don't know how she's reaching out into the world in a leadership role. Wish I could see her try to positively affect the EU more at some point. She just seems insular to me.
And no, it is not in any way shape or form Trump. It's more about influence than it is power. America can no longer coast on military protection anymore. In this semi post-nuclear era, and into this misinformation post-truth era - competent and confident leadership is sorely needed. Trump cannot, and would not, provide that.
Canada has got a looker for sure, however surface level that assessment may be. Justin, I think is the man for social issues. He doesn't seem to let politics compromise his stances and will make little gestures towards that, like standing away from world leaders yuking it up with Trump.
Merkel may have the tidiest "ship" in this race. But I don't know how she's reaching out into the world in a leadership role. Wish I could see her try to positively affect the EU more at some point. She just seems insular to me.
And no, it is not in any way shape or form Trump. It's more about influence than it is power. America can no longer coast on military protection anymore. In this semi post-nuclear era, and into this misinformation post-truth era - competent and confident leadership is sorely needed. Trump cannot, and would not, provide that.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
One day bannon is on the way out the next he's controlling Trump, the story keeps changing
Coriolanus
Banned
I mean, you've already shown staggering ignorange with all that's written before the bolded, but... do you have even the faintest idea how hard it is to legally move to a different country?
If you look at his foreign policy you see Bannon is still very influential
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Can you quote where I said Bannon is on the way out?
bootsthecat
Banned
Let's be real, folks. As your average American, nobody gives a shit about any of your non-US leaders. It's laughable, even. So, Trump by default. Sorry, folks.
Coriolanus
Banned
let us be real: who is following in his steps?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Let's be real, folks. In North Korea, nobody gives a shit about any of the non-North Korea leaders. It's laughable, even. So, North Korea by default. Sorry, folks.
bootsthecat
Banned
Who cares? We are self-centered. Whoever is next will be the world leader, and recognized as such. Until we get invaded and indoctrinated, whenever that may be. Exceptionalism at its best
Muffin1611
Banned
Well, you're right in that Americans decide their imaginary title. Since nobody else cares and they need to reaffirm their exceptionalism.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
That wasn't my point, it's that Bannon only seems to have this "control" over Trump depending on the narrative, remember the stories of Kushner and Ivanka pushing him out? They even did an SNL skit on it
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Then don't quote me if what you're trying to say has nothing to do with what I said
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Then you think on a simple level, if you say bannon is someone who controls trump and I respond that it's a narrative about his "control", and you can't see any correlation, that's on you
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Motherfucker I know YOU of all people are not trying to say anyone else thinks on a simple level lol
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Cursing at me won't change how simplistically you interpreted my post
RustyNails
Member
Why cant these two things exist at the same time? Bannon literally controls Trump. That's his Job Description. At the same time Trump does not like it when others get more credit than him.
Prophaniti
Banned
You don't see the difference between America defining itself as the leader of the free world and North Korea proclaiming it?
Austriacus
Member
In effect its the same thing since no one is actually following either of them right now. You cant be a leader if no one follows you.
bootsthecat
Banned
Nobody is following Trumps doings on the world stage? Where you at fam? The NK boy is only mentioned when he fires a missile, or kills an American. T-dawg gets a thread here every time he takes a shit.
Were this a NK-centered forum, maybe you would have a point...but, well...
Sunster
Member
well I think the Trump threads just come along with most gaffers being American
Prophaniti
Banned
No one is following the US? Or no one is following Trump? The US is still the most powerful nation with the biggest bank account and the largest influence. The world will grit it's teeth and wait it out like it always has. Being President is a 4 year job, maybe 8. The idea that one bad election cycle is the end of America as the dominate force in world politics is insane. We built the free world. We run the free world.
Muffin1611
Banned
Lmao, American exceptionalism at it's best. Can't do anything wrong and patting itself on the back.
"Largest influence" my ass. International relations are deteriorating so fast, it's not even funny. He's actively encouraging Europe to become more independent from the US.
Prophaniti
Banned
You just sound bitter. No one said anything about right or wrong. As far as patting itself on the back, Americans have a lot to be proud of historically. We've come a long way from an English colony on the ass end of the world.
Relations with Trump are bad. Trump is not America. You want to run around proclaiming that the sky is falling because you don't like Trump then go for it. America will still be here.
Muffin1611
Banned
Oh my god. Of course I sound bitter, which self-respecting citizen of an US ally wouldn't be?
No shit America will still be there, it's just losing any goodwill and much of its influence left in real time. The world went through a Bush presidency and said "Yeah well, we won't hold it against you guys, surely won't happen again". Jump to the present, here we are.
We had fucking Merkel saying that we shouldn't rely on the US anymore. One of the least persons I would have expected that from. The situation is that bad, and US allies are realizing that Bush wasn't a one-off, but that y'all gonna keep electing Republicans, most of which I wouldn't even wanna set foot in my country.
The US is weakening it's global position right now, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. That at the same time Americans discuss such veeeeery important topics like who the holder of this completely meaningless title should be, is just sad.
lastplayed
Member
I don't think any average citizen of a country gives a shit about anyone but their own leader. Sure we follow the actions of Trump like we would gaze upon a chimp in a circus of clowns, but then again we also follow other world leaders.
IISANDERII
Member
Lol wow. Even if you take your arbitrary standard of bills and constitutions as your measure, they're meaningless when in practice they fall way short of their promise.
And I haven't moved because there are over 20 countries which have more freedoms than the US of A and it's impossible to live in 20 different countries simultaneously.
Oh my God. Pick up a fucking book.
That said, I'm not sure you can undo this sort of nationalist inculcation. You are probably one of those people who consider public healthcare to be an assault on "freedom".
IaN_GAF
Member
I would like to, yet again, say that I enjoy a large amount of freedom in The Netherlands and when I look at America I feel like I would be less free over there, but I am not looking to convince anybody.
It was also completely easy for me to move to, and find a job in, different countries in Europe, adding to that feeling of freedom.
I wish nothing but freedom and happiness for all, but some Americans should really learn to look outside their own borders. They focus on a very small part of this huge world they claim to protect.
Just because you have a credit card with a large limit, doesn't make you rich.
USA have a $18.96 trillion debt.
Hahahahahahahahaha this is hilarious! The US have the second-highest incarceration rate in the world at 693 people per 100,000.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
People still care about this bullshit title?
If you ever wondered how a lot of foreign people see Americans, this right here is it.
If you ever wondered how a lot of foreign people see Americans, this right here is it.