killatopak
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Why am I facing 75 years in prison? (Trump inauguration protesters)
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Bullshit answer. Doesn't make the act any less wrong or illegal
LegendofJoe
Member
Some windows were broken? Omg, time to convict hundreds of people (many of whom are innocent) with a felony and ruin their lives.
America land of the free!
elrechazado
Banned
I'm shocked you don't know what you wrote. Not shocked you haven't read my repeated comments about how overcharging to generate plea bargains is a huge problem.
TheCochese
Banned
You also wrote this:
Own that bullshit too. And GTFO with telling me I don't know what I wrote.
Frozenprince
Banned
"Don't take a plea and force them to prove it" that's not a viable answer. Haven't we just established the legal system being broken?
LinkAndEpona
Banned
As someone already stated, insurance exists for this reason, derp
Bits N Pieces
Member
Id say more like Turkey right now and its not a good look.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Jeez, people should really just stop visiting North Korea
wait
Jacksinthe
Banned
YouTube has a zillion videos.
Tim Pool'a channel has about 6 straight hours of streaming of one of the protests. It's been well documented by not-mainstream-media and no, not Fox.
You'll find them on independent journalist networks, mostly left leaning, just not in not in the public eye.
Sure. Hurting and attempting to murder people to force your political ideology isn't terrorism. Nope. Just another case of mentally ill protesters! Nothing to see here!
And, yes, if you run with a group and cover your face, dress in uniform with the sole purpose of obscuring your identity so nobody knows exactly where those explosives came from and refuse to give up names, you are an accomplice. You don't have to commit an act to be charged with a crime, you just have to help hide it. And if you watch some interviews with Antifa geoups, they don't give anyone up or even criticise or speak out against the attacks when asked to. Their silence shows support. That's not a police state, that's them being an accomplice. I have zero symapthy for anyone who sympathizes with terrorist organizations. None.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
America has such a messed up system to purposefully put up a way too harsh penalty just to force people into not defending themselves for a more reasonable penalty.
You didn't say those were the things the business owners you invoked were concerned with. I assumed it was money, which insurance covers.
Angelus Errare
Banned
You get less time for rape
let that set in
You are promoting collective punishment and arguing against due process while citing Tim Pool who is sympathetic to 4chan alt-righters, Sovereign Citizens, 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, etc. Groups whose members or ideological subscribers have committed acts of terrorism against black people, Muslims, LBGT groups, abortion doctors and more. Who show up to political protests armed with loaded weapons and military gear arguably with the sole intent of intimidation. Should Tim Pool go to jail for covering these groups? Should these groups publicly apologize when members, or those with similar political ideologies, commit acts of violence or terrorism?
uncelestial
Member
Oh cool, the Fascism Defense Force is here!
Guess you missed the part where they applied a boilerplate affidavit to 200 people?
Psychoward
Banned
In the wise words of Modbot, Tim Pool is a bullshit peddler.
Oh hey look, the first video I clicked on from him is him defending James O'Keefe and Project Veritas about how the Russian story is bullshit. Left-leaning my ass.
Anything to defend those 75 year sentences for people who were breaking windows. Or people who weren't. "moderates"
Dude Abides
Banned
You have no idea what an accomplice is. Not giving information to the police doesn't make you an accomplice.
LinkAndEpona
Banned
You're free to cause as much havoc as you can a I guess, just don't complain that there are consequences to your actions.
Reading is hard.
Edit:
I'll spell it out.
Why should journalists who covered this receive such unjust and ridiculous sentencing? Why should protestors, without proof that they were involved in the damage of property, receive such punishment?
Can you answer that?
I am not even going into people who were caught destroying property even though the punishment doesn't fit the crime at all in those cases either.
TheCochese
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
"only"
Sickening, but expected now that a fascist has been elected President. This is why this piece of shit needs to be resisted at every turn, before it's too late. I shudder to think what this country will look like if he gets the full eight years (assuming he would even step down after that).
1. Arrest large groups of protesters indiscriminately, with boilerplate affidavits (individualized probable cause? No, lol!), regardless of if they were "rioting" or merely in the general vicinity those legitimately rioting.
2. File ridiculous initial charges against everyone (also uniformly and indiscriminately since they used the same boilerplate affidavit).
3. Force the legitimate protesters (i.e., not the rioters) to spend time, money, and incur stress to fight the charges (and, of course, there is always a possibility of a guilty verdict in a trial, regardless of level of actual involvement).
4. Oh yeah, and you also have an arrest on your record now. So, even if you fight the charges and are found not guilty, you have to worry about that impact on your professional and personal life.
5. Other citizens see the above and think to themselves, "I'll never join a protest now. It doesn't seem worth it regardless of the circumstances or cause." Thus, constitutionally-protected rights are chilled.
This is a page right out of the fascists' playbook.
Personally, if I'm the judge, I'm granting motions to dismiss left and right unless there is some level of individualized probable cause against the accused. Because, otherwise, this is a gross overreach and abuse of authority by law enforcement.
2. File ridiculous initial charges against everyone (also uniformly and indiscriminately since they used the same boilerplate affidavit).
3. Force the legitimate protesters (i.e., not the rioters) to spend time, money, and incur stress to fight the charges (and, of course, there is always a possibility of a guilty verdict in a trial, regardless of level of actual involvement).
4. Oh yeah, and you also have an arrest on your record now. So, even if you fight the charges and are found not guilty, you have to worry about that impact on your professional and personal life.
5. Other citizens see the above and think to themselves, "I'll never join a protest now. It doesn't seem worth it regardless of the circumstances or cause." Thus, constitutionally-protected rights are chilled.
This is a page right out of the fascists' playbook.
Personally, if I'm the judge, I'm granting motions to dismiss left and right unless there is some level of individualized probable cause against the accused. Because, otherwise, this is a gross overreach and abuse of authority by law enforcement.
nelsonroyale
Member
Fascist convulsions are rippling through America's political fabric. The sentancing tactics are absurd.
In a sane society Trump would be the one facing prison time. His crimes are already life+
In a sane society Trump would be the one facing prison time. His crimes are already life+
Psychoward
Banned
I'm pretty sure the same dude who had a breakdown in another thread about how the left is pushing him away with their tactics or something lol
Psychoward
Banned
You forgot
6) self-proclaimed liberals see steps 1-5 and think people criticizing it are OK with wanton destruction of property with no consequences at all.
Imperfected
Member
Threatening non-violent dissidents with life imprisonment certainly is a good way to inspire anyone who's borderline to make the jump into violent acts of revolution.
Can't help but feel like the US is trying to jump-start a second civil war.
Can't help but feel like the US is trying to jump-start a second civil war.
Claude Augario
Member
It's not a coincidence that certain people derailed a thread about mass charging and outrageous sentencing for protesting against a fascist into a discussion about how there must be consequences for window-breaking "terrorists."
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. And there's no doubt that Antifa's recent actions will cause more states to do the same.
Psychoward
Banned
Did you read that entry? Be honest.
Agreed (with all your posts ITT).
Going the other way, what's the minimum time for the crimes? A lot of our Felonies have high maximums, but I seriously doubt these people will be given the maximum sentence for all 8 charges. Does anyone know what the 8 charges they are being faced with, the article does not list them.
DukeSilverHaze
Banned
The so called moderates in this thread scare me more than the trump voters.
This might not be true for 2016. We'll find out at the end of the Russia investigation. But it's America so innocent until proven guilty- carry on, little fascist robot.
Link1110
Member
I've only ever seen jobs all if you were convicted of anything. An arrest without a conviction won't affect professional lives that much if at all
Haunted
Member
I'm glad I don't have to live in the USA.
seventy-five years threatened but they'll "only get a couple years, decade max." fucking fascist third world banana republic, get the fuck out of here with that shit
Imperfected
Member
Listen, it's important we remove any reasonable means of non-violent demonstration so that they see no reason not to resort to violence. It's the only way we're going to get anywhere.
Miles Quaritch
Member
And some of y'all have the nerve to talk down to European countries about their free speech laws.
Embarrassing.
Embarrassing.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Yep. All this says to me is I should bring some real weapons and use them against the police. I mean, if your going to threaten me with life in prison for protesting, and I decide to protest, why would I even consider not going to actual war with you?
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