NoctisVsStar
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Idk who to believe either GameSpot took the liberty to say that or the denkeki article is the real accurate quote.
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Why does FF: XV Demo's IQ look so bad? Artificial sharpening filter in place?
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Idk who to believe either GameSpot took the liberty to say that or the denkeki article is the real accurate quote.
TLZ
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Is this quote before or after what's posted in OP?
SneakyStephan
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Yikes at the screenshots on the first pages.
This uses luminous right? What happened
That original tech demo (that supposedly ran on a gtx 680 at 60 fps with 4x msaa on the hair) was the best looking thing I'd seen in realtime back then and still looks amazing today.
This looks just really bad, not just the image quality everything.
This uses luminous right? What happened
That original tech demo (that supposedly ran on a gtx 680 at 60 fps with 4x msaa on the hair) was the best looking thing I'd seen in realtime back then and still looks amazing today.
This looks just really bad, not just the image quality everything.
Yautja_Warrior
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I doubt it's a look at 100% finished visual's, unless they plan on doing nothing for 6 months until release, they will be finishing things and polishing the game ready for the September launch now, so I would expect things to look a little better in 6 months time.
Her toes? From the chest up, the part you're mainly looking at, the main characters in MGSV look more detailed than Noctis and also don't have hair that's modeled as poorly (again, just going by the demo; full game might be different).
I beat MGSV a couple days ago. MGSV is a notable difference. So is Witcher 3 to your comment below this.
With all this complaining about AA and resolution and whatever, do you guys only play like The Witcher 3 and The Order and that's it? Not every game needs to, nor should be, the absolute best game in graphics at its release. For Final Fantasy, this game seems impressive to me, and Square is new to a lot of this (well, new as in 10 years in but their first game)
So you don't know what IQ actually is?
A game doesn't need to be "the absolute best game in graphics at its release" to have proper IQ. In fact, IQ should be prioritized over the super shiny top of the line graphical settings that get absolutely murdered anyways because of poor IQ.
ethomaz
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It scares me too not because the visuals but the combat
NoctisVsStar
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I know
is banned but they posted an interview of Tabata talking to dengeki online about the demo performance today..Could Bs so who knows won't link cause it's banned.
Dual shockers
Astral Dog
Member
Just the result of trying to port a PS3 game on that engine to the current generation consoles, doont worry both KH 3 and FFVIIR will look (and run) much better
Yeah, same. If this is the final visual goal, I don't have much hope for it to improve. Also please switch Square and O for attack and dodge.
ethomaz
Banned
Nope.
FFXV is not using any type of tech like that (for resolution)... it has dinamic resolution up to 1080p.
BTW the resolution is not what made it IQ bad I guess... and the IQ looks bad in motionless too.
Some interesting information from that interview summary... Someone should post it / make a thread about it.
That was one thing that bugged me about what was shown, and it may just be the current build, but it seems as if they severely cut down on the ocean simulation. Everything was super flat and not like the CEDEC or Progress Report oceans with the rolling waves.
It would be a shame to fight Leviathan if the ocean was flat and lifeless...
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
That's not saying much, the internet has a habit of getting up in arms about anything and everything!
Its kinda got to the point that I doubt most devs actually take much notice, and if they do I hope they can just laugh it off because the endless carping and negativity would be soul destroying otherwise.
The third picture is interesting. The carpet seems rough but the boots look great (the mud under the boots, you don't see it too often). it's like a real person steps into a video game.
I feel sorry for the devs who lurk this forum. lol.
Spiritwalker
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Thank god they aren't using this frankenstein engine for future games like FF7r, KH3 and DQXI. I bet it's a nightmare to work with.
That said, I think Duscae looked pretty good in motion.
That said, I think Duscae looked pretty good in motion.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Am I the only one who thinks this game is gorgeous? Did you see the floor and walls in the long hallway?
Plus art direction > tech and XV has flawless art direction.
Plus art direction > tech and XV has flawless art direction.
NoctisVsStar
Member
The E3 combat trailer was using PS3 assets ( the characters ) once the porting to the new engine began they had to redo the characters from scratch.
zswordsman
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I feel like the screenshots don't do it justice and it looks worse in motion. I thought it looked a bit strange I guess it was the sharpening. I wasn't impressed with the demo, sure some assets looked good but that framerate was kinda bad.
I was scarred for life by those claws.
As I've said, the texture resolution and polycount of characters in MGSV is a lot lower. They simply aren't as detailed. Now currently the shit IQ of this game destroys all semblance of quality but the models are better.
Machinehead
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Art direction and tech are amazing, it is just IQ that is very, very poor. The game looks pretty cool on videos, but the demo was very weird to play. IQ was all over the place (just as frame rate was). Uneven experiences tend to bother me way more than it would with a lower resolution and regular AA solution, for example.
Whompa02
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No you're not the only one.
it does look gorgeous and the art direction is absolutely fantastic. There's some rough spots, if you look hard enough, but mostly the game is quite pretty.YankeeDonB
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I think it looks fantastic in certain places under certain conditions. The rain in the middle of the night in Insomnia was breathtaking I thought. But some of the textures (and the water, yuck) in Altissia seem quite poor. I don't notice frame pacing stuff much but get it's a big deal for those who do.
So it's uneven. I think the end product will be mostly quite pretty, so I'm not particularly worried. Will it win open world console graphics gold? I don't know and don't really care as long as the story is engaging and the world is varied and fun to explore with enjoyable combat (which after Duscae 2.0 and my time with the iron giant fight I have zero concern).
R10Neymarfan
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Redo? I thought they just straight up used the CGI models in Luminous
NoctisVsStar
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I'm trying to find the actual quote but I remember a quote stating that the characters were done from the ground up.
Issues aside, I really have to commend the lighting engine for this game. It's really what makes the visuals 'work' for this game. From what I remember what was said during the Uncovered event, the demo is meant to show off the final visuals and overall combat. Hopefully during the last few weeks before the GM copy is produced, we'll see more optimization as well.
I mean the fact that the Citadel area (barring going super high up then nitpicking LOD far off into the distance) is head and shoulders above hints towards an incomplete optimization process more than anything, with the caveat that even then you'd have to take the bustle of an actual city into account.
It feels like there are two different things that come up short in some areas of the demo - an overall post processing/AA/motion blur/lighting optimization (the engine level), and individual area optimizations (the asset level). They kind of go hand in hand (since both have the end goal of getting a target resolution and framerate, resulting in a bit of give and take interaction between the two) but are still discrete processes.
Still a few months for optimization. We'll see how the final game looks. I honestly doubt it'd get up to the level of the Oct 2014 Duscae walkthroughs, but on the other hand, I also honestly doubt Square Enix would ship a game that looked like that particular Altissia pic.
edit: Midway down this post, for reference re: October Duscae walkthrough.
Shin-Ra
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Some developers do appreciate that they can't just pick all the modern graphical whizz they like, treat image quality refinement as a drop-in afterthought and expect the murky window into their game world to showcase all the whizz adequately. Some of that whizz, like the highly detailed hair strands in XV, ends up having the opposite desired effect.
The tools are already available to create highly polished realtime graphics. Even in open-world games.
Dead Rising 3 still exists, if we're talking 'AAA'-only.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Duscae looks better, what's going on...
texhnolyze
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They've been mentioning over and over again that their focus now is optimizations.
They've also stated this on Twitter:
It means may 'upgrade' the graphics to DX12 for PC (and most definitely PS4K and XB1.5 as well) later.
With all this complaining about AA and resolution and whatever, do you guys only play like The Witcher 3 and The Order and that's it? Not every game needs to, nor should be, the absolute best game in graphics at its release. For Final Fantasy, this game seems impressive to me, and Square is new to a lot of this (well, new as in 10 years in but their first game
Y'know, I'm the first one to say people counting pixels are fucking themselves over, and it makes any head to head really pointless most of the time, but this demo looks and runs VERY badly, no, I don't think 30 FPS is too low for most games, no I don't think 1080p with full AA or my eyes will bleed, but I do think a game needs to look and run comfortably enough to not detract from the experience. This demo made me LESS excited for the game because it felt actually impeded by its awful IQ and framerate.
Everyone bringing up the beautiful art direction: same argument. Art direction is important, but the demo's engine is doing a huge disservice to that stuff. The controls feel shitty due to the poor frames, and 'nice' art direction looks pixellated and with weird ass halos around sharp edges which is supremely distracting.
Good thing the internet being up in arms means nothing at all for videogames.
I mean, shit, the last time the internet was up in arms about a gaming thing and it actually made the news, it was gamergate. So, yeah.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
XV looks better than Uncharted 4.
Maxey
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Nice tag.
Peterthumpa
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LMAO.
Peterthumpa
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Hairs overall are amazing, the aliasing and shimmering on them is what really sucks.
StrongBlackVine
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This looks pretty bad.