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Why is Pierce Brosnan's Bond era so heavily disliked?
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And turned into cheese.
Same thing as Craig. First movie was really solid., then downhill into shit from there. Dalton remains the only good Bond with all good movies.
Independence Day. Heat if you call it an action movie. Mission Impossible. Depends what you call mid 90's I suppose, if you take 93-97 that's a pretty narrow window anyway. Late 90's you have Matrix. Early 90's you have T2.
Independence Day. Heat if you call it an action movie. Mission Impossible. Depends what you call mid 90's I suppose, if you take 93-97 that's a pretty narrow window anyway. Late 90's you have Matrix. Early 90's you have T2.
Ninja Scooter
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Even shit like Face/Off or The Rock or Con Air are rough to get through nowadays.
DontBeThatGuy
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Die Hard with a Vengeance
There's no argument, this is true. Brosnan got let down by the writers big time. They could have done something special with him, but instead they had him play a cartoon character.
God, I love that movie.
fluffydelusions
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Frozenprince
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Because, as has been evident for a while.
Most of the people in charge of the franchise have very little idea what they are doing and basically just luck into the few runaway successes they have.
XANDER CAGE
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I feel sort of bad for Brosnan because I think he was a fantastic choice for Bond. He was a fun actor who had a good sense of camp and humor as well as looks, and the acting chops to carry more serious stuff. Goldeneye is a good Bond flick but he really got shortchanged with the rest of his films. Part of it, if I remember right, probably has to do with his films being the first to deviate completely from any Fleming fiction basis entirely. Most of them are just fucking bad. James Bond is a pretty spotty franchise to begin with, but I'd definitely rank most of the Brosnan films waaay low, like down with the worst of the Moore movies low.
They feel too intentionally stupid rather than tongue-in-cheek or kitschy. They bore me in the same ways that things like Kung Fury bore me. There's no earnestness or edge to them. Their luxury product hawking is even worse than the Craig era. There are no good villains, all of the high-concept action and chase sequences are weightless and boring thanks to the era's obsession with garbage green screen and CGI, and aside from Goldeneye's so-abrasive-it's-good soundtrack, the music is all terrible (aside from the theme to The World Is Not Enough, which I'd rank as a favorite for sure) and forgettable. The Brosnan era has like zero aesthetic identity. There's a reason the first Bourne Identity was such a smash hit in 2002 after 007 had made the spy genre look as gormless as it did.
I like him all the same and I wish he'd gotten some better scripts.
They feel too intentionally stupid rather than tongue-in-cheek or kitschy. They bore me in the same ways that things like Kung Fury bore me. There's no earnestness or edge to them. Their luxury product hawking is even worse than the Craig era. There are no good villains, all of the high-concept action and chase sequences are weightless and boring thanks to the era's obsession with garbage green screen and CGI, and aside from Goldeneye's so-abrasive-it's-good soundtrack, the music is all terrible (aside from the theme to The World Is Not Enough, which I'd rank as a favorite for sure) and forgettable. The Brosnan era has like zero aesthetic identity. There's a reason the first Bourne Identity was such a smash hit in 2002 after 007 had made the spy genre look as gormless as it did.
I like him all the same and I wish he'd gotten some better scripts.
Gaius Cassius
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Yup, only other maybe being Heat.
Brosnan was supposed to be Bond before Dalton. I'm always curious how that would have changed the timeline for everyone...
Frozenprince
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Action comedy moreso, the script holds up more than the setpieces. But yeah it's one of, what, two or three.
Sibersk Esto
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jack_package_200
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Obligatory Top 10
10. For Your Eyes Only
9. Dr. No
8. You Only Live Twice
7. The Living Daylights
6. Goldfinger
5. Goldeneye
4. Casino Royale
3. From Russia With Love
2. Skyfall
1. License to Kill
OT: The Bronsan era excluding Goldeneye isn't great but Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Ends With You are fun in a "this is dumb 90s shlock kind of way"
Die Another Day was self parody
10. For Your Eyes Only
9. Dr. No
8. You Only Live Twice
7. The Living Daylights
6. Goldfinger
5. Goldeneye
4. Casino Royale
3. From Russia With Love
2. Skyfall
1. License to Kill
OT: The Bronsan era excluding Goldeneye isn't great but Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Ends With You are fun in a "this is dumb 90s shlock kind of way"
Die Another Day was self parody
He would have had more good films for one.
That said I'm not sure that top 3 will be entirely static. Personally I feel Russia is the best Bond film.
I agree completely. Dalton's License to Kill is the best movie.
polyh3dron
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They also should've let Campbell handle the entire Craig era.
No OHMSS, for shame.
Hexxen-Panda
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He's a very good Bond, but the films bring nothing new or unexpected to the table. Yes, he fitted the role, but that's about as far as the characterization goes. It's mostly the fault of the scripts being very boring and by the numbers. (Except the 4th one, which is just bad.) At least the Roger Moore movies had campiness that kept it entertaining even if they have aged.
Goldeneye was pretty good, though. But that's more due to the cool Bond girl and Villains than it is from Bond.
Goldeneye was pretty good, though. But that's more due to the cool Bond girl and Villains than it is from Bond.
not that the movies would be remembered fondly otherwise but much of it probably has to do with the shift in tone action movies generally took in the 2000s. credit it to 9/11, people "maturing", or whatever, but the name of the day was dark and gritty. made a lot of stuff we enjoyed in the 90s seem like cartoons and in retrospect it's just hard to get past that.
BassForever
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Most of the bond movies are shit/guilty pleasures. The reason the brosnan era is so reviled by comparison is because his films have horribly dated cgi which lead to horribly dumb action scenes.
Hellwarden
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Goldeneye was okay.
Halle Berry was pretty hot in Die Another Day. (Rest of that movie was trash tho.)
That's the best I can say about those movies.
Halle Berry was pretty hot in Die Another Day. (Rest of that movie was trash tho.)
That's the best I can say about those movies.
You guys got me going.
Living Daylights complete score should be listened to by all. John Barry's last gift to everyone.
https://vimeo.com/135121994
Living Daylights complete score should be listened to by all. John Barry's last gift to everyone.
https://vimeo.com/135121994
Transistor
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I loved Goldeneye
I liked Tomorrow Never Dies
I forgot what The World is Not Enough was even about
I disliked Die Another Day
I liked Tomorrow Never Dies
I forgot what The World is Not Enough was even about
I disliked Die Another Day
Too much cheesy shit, too much CG, too many bad supporting actors/actresses. Purvis and Wade were no substitute for actual adaptions of Fleming novels. Awful scripts in general.
It's a real shame Brosnan didn't get better material to work with, because he's consistently fantastic in the role.
All that said, I'd still watch any of his films over Spectre, which was absolute fucking garbage.
I don't believe you. Goldeneye is a treasure and always will be. Second best film in the franchise behind Casino Royale.
It's a real shame Brosnan didn't get better material to work with, because he's consistently fantastic in the role.
All that said, I'd still watch any of his films over Spectre, which was absolute fucking garbage.
I don't believe you. Goldeneye is a treasure and always will be. Second best film in the franchise behind Casino Royale.
Gully State
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Rumble in the Bronx
George Oscar Bluth II
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Speed? It's been years since I last watched it, though.
Bobby Roberts
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Because he apparently had three good movies in him, and that's it.
Seriously, he's not that good a director. Sure as hell isn't like, the secret ingredient or whatever.
That's one of Jackie's worst. Granted, one of Jackie's worst is still better than most, but that movie doesn't hold up. It didn't hold up like, weeks after it dropped.
jack_package_200
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Frozenprince
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Mendes is a WAY better director and even he put out a stinker
Bond is much more than just a good director. Gotta be able to contend with the legion of producers as well.
It's still great, as well as Desperado (posted above)
Violence Jack
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I grew up with the end of Moore's Bond, through Dalton's badass Bond, then Brosnan's Bond. The worst Bond movies to me was everything after Goldeneye before Craig took over. But that being said, I feel like Dalton's films never got the credit they deserved and Brosnan seemed to always be listed above him.
Dalton had the better written films, but Brosnan was the better Bond. That's probably what it is to be honest.
Still better than The Tuxedo. No idea what he was thinking with that one.
He produced two stinkers, but was like to have Deakins save one.
Dalton is still the best Bond. Only one to be able to convey all the aspects, including the ones the films brought. From the charm to the assassin. With License to Kill, still be ahead of it's time. Every other Bond has their weakness on one side of the spectrum, but not him. Bronsan had charm for miles, but couldn't really sell the cold, ruthlessness of Bond. While Craig lacks that sort of charm to move about a room.
VeryGooster
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After Goldeneye the rest of Brosnan's run is just so unmemorable except for Garbage's TWINE song. The guy takes on like a Roger Ailes clone for Christ's sake.
And Goldeneye is a hard watch nowadays. Hell it was the case ten years ago.
And Goldeneye is a hard watch nowadays. Hell it was the case ten years ago.
Sorcerer
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Brosnan is no Lazenby.
Brosnan Bond is one of my favorites, but I admit that I only liked Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies, the latter more than the former actually (liking that one at all being an unpopular opinion around here, it seems). Hated The World Is Not Enough beyond its theme song, and Die Another Day was a massive turd.
I don't like Craig Bond or any of his films. At all. And I say this actually liking Daniel Craig as an actor.
I don't like Craig Bond or any of his films. At all. And I say this actually liking Daniel Craig as an actor.
Sibersk Esto
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Seagal's first five films (Above the Law, Hard to Kill, Marked for Death, Out for Justice, and Under Siege) are genuinely fun crime thrillers with great character actors.
QuantumZebra
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Is this one of those threads where someone assumes something is hated and it turns out its not?
Good, cause GoldenEye is my favorite Bond film.
Good, cause GoldenEye is my favorite Bond film.
Casino Royale is the best one ever made
Man Called Aerodynamics
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GoldenEye is great but the other movies just don't live up to it. Cheesy, forgettable. Brosnan is not the problem, the scripts are.
Ninja Scooter
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License to Kill is better than any Brosnan Bond flick.
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