Bayonetta 1&2, Metal Gear Rising, Vanquish, and Xenoblade Chronicles say otherwise.
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Why isn't Nintendo making MORE games like Splatoon?
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Bayonetta 1&2, Metal Gear Rising, Vanquish, and Xenoblade Chronicles say otherwise.
Freeman
Banned
Where did I said they didn't invent a ton of stuff, I just pointed something that I see happening somewhat frequently in Nintendo threads, I shouldn't have.
If you somehow question Nintendo you can only be a hatter I assume, right? Sounds healthy.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the single player part to be honest. I like how it is a somewhat simple mechanic that has implications that could result in a much more complex and maybe tactical game.
Curry-Hakase
Member
Wow, I'm going to be honest, I didn't realize a bunch of these were Nintendo games. They all looked like shovelware titles to me off a quick glance on store shelves.
I'm not entirely sure you know what shovelware actually implies.
shadowsdarknes
Member
New IPs are risky with such a small install base.
timetokill
Banned
I don't think Nintendo fans have anything against hats or those who make them. I could be wrong, though.
Captain Europe
Member
#consolewarrior
Of course it does, but even that doesn't look appealing to me, I'm not a big fan of shooters. Mario could have convinced me as I'm a big enough Mario fan to enjoy it.
And yeah, I'm just not digging the art style/music, sorry.
I know, but I'll never get enough of the Mario universe
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Freeman
Banned
So funny that you caught my misspelling of a word, congrats.
I actually have something against hats but I'll leave that to a TF2 thread.
Oh, I question Nintendo all the time.
But I don't troll their fans with statements like "Are Nintendo fans this much unaccustomed to new IPs?"
Especially when I'm pretty sure no major developer/publisher has released more new IP, in a wider variety of genres, than Nintendo.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Maybe we should make a collarge with the boxart of these games , and paste it in future "why dont Nintendo make new IP" threads
Just so people will have a harder time ignoring it.
it's adorable that kids still do the console wae thing, it's as timeless as the sega vs nintendo arguments on the playground
Astral Dog
Member
This is the perfect answer, they tried with W101 too, you could say Pikmin 3 too.and some 3DS games
But it doesn't count!... for reasons.
Curry-Hakase
Member
In this context? Low budget cheap cash grabs?
That's the impression games like Steel Diver left with me from just looking at its box off a shelf.
Consider me a consumer that was misinformed on a Nintendo product. Aren't we a dime a dozen.
There are a lot of hidden gems on these lists that I loved but it's kind of hard to expect me to be aware of all of them.
Well basically the obhective is terrain control and not to eliminate the opposite team. That in itself isn't exactly new.
What's innovative an interesting is that they made the ammo (the ink) also work as a traversal mechanic, the more control over the territory the more movement options available, one even has the option of inking areas that do not count towards the score (such as walls) to gain more movement options and have hidibg places for surprise assaults.
I think making it focused on the traversal by the way of the ammo used is going to make it a very dynic game.
timetokill
Banned
I figured since you were just here trolling it would be more fun to just joke around. No big deal.
Freeman
Banned
As someone who owns a 3DS it sure doesn't look like it to me, maybe I just the wrong impression.
A natural born troll then, because that was just my honest opinion. I haven't see the list before posting and I don't think its impressive at all.
Yea, it does sound good.
It will never go away, unfortunately.
I miss the days when 'hardcore gamer' meant you owned an N64, Saturn, and PS1. Or a generation earlier, SNES, Genesis, and TurboGrafx-16.
I never owned a TurboGrafx, I hope to rectify that mistake someday.
Good luck with that.
When people say Nintendo needs to make new IPs it usually translate to 'make something more western' or 'make something like Uncharted or Call of Duty'. Most people, at least on these types of forums don't really want a new IP as in new game, but for Nintendo to make something more hardcore mainstream. I remember IGN, I think it was them, saying that they wish Nintendo would make a game like Grandtheft as a new IP.
Also, I think it says something that Majora's Mask 3D got more people's attention than STREAM and Splatoon to the point that people called everything after Majora's announcement boring.
I like you.
Steel Diver
Pushmo
Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword
Dillon's Rolling Western
Ketzal's Corridors
HarmoKnight
Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.
Wasn´t it also someone at IGN who said, he wishes Nintendo would make a game like Fire Emblem?
3DS and Majora's Mask are trending Facebook right now.
even then, nintendo hasn't invested in as many new ips as say, microsoft or sony have in the last ten years. the reasoning for that should be pretty obvious, but as neat as it looks, it's not as impressively long when compared to others.
it's mostly a list that should be informative, not as ammo. you can tell what year and platform for the game, and also the team behind it. however it's a pretty blunt retort to the idea that nintendo has a habit of not creating new ips.
pushmo and nes remix have been rather fantastic new ips from them in recent years, but they don't get the marketing campaigns and budgets that retail releases do, despite each one having multiple entries at this point. it's hard for them to stand out when nintendo rarely, proudly declares they're doing something new, like they did with splatoon (which had the second most booth space at e3 last year, right behind smash bros.). you can even look back at xenoblade when it was monado and it was basically swept under the rug, but now it's one of *the* most loved rpgs of this decade. they could do more to make their work known outside of the tentpole franchises. splatoon is a good start.
I understand, people want "high profile" new IP and/or don't want or know about the many smaller new IPs.
well, I don't blame you, Nintendo doesn't really advertise those games and it's lagging behind in terms of marketing, compared to other companies, who can sell you crap with the proper marketing campaign.
it's kinda sad, however, that you're this ill-informed about those games, specially considering you're posting in NeoGaf.
Curry-Hakase
Member
Yea it's all my fault.
LUFTRAUSER
Banned
Nintendo fans like nostalgia. Compare the excitement for Splatoon, for instance, to the port of Majora's Mask for the 3DS that was just announced.
someone should really get on that.
This sounds like people with little to no relation to Nintendo. In my experience when people say they want new Nintendo IPs, often hardcore fans from past gens who dislike Nintendo post-Iwata, new IP basically means AAA internally, so something on the level of Zelda, Mario, Pikmin. Anything below that, like a Kirby Canvas Curse or Pushmo, is a non-game. Sad
jackissocool
Member
That's just not true. It's Sony, by far. I'm not interested in a list war but in terms of total new IP in the past ten years, nobody touches Sony.
did you even read my post?
ok, that's cool, I said "probably"... so maybe I'm wrong, but that wasn't the point of my post.
OP asked for Nintendo to make new IP's... I gave him some (and some other user posted a fuck-ton more)
care to elaborate on your compelling point?
Curry-Hakase
Member
I took that whole last sentence as a big "/s" indicator of the post.
If you were actually being sincere then sorry.
jackissocool
Member
Yeah good point, they do make more IPs then people realize. I think the issue, though, is they don't make many big new IPs that are supposed to stand with their classics. They don't even try. Pikmin is the last one, I'd say.
don't worry, it sounds kinda condescending now that I read it again. I apologize for that.
what I meant to say is that it's sad that you dismissed some pretty good games because of lack of proper research, most of them are pretty well reviewed and loved by the gaming community.
The fault never is the potential customer for not buying it but the publishers not properly marketing it. Get ads on Youtube, TV, game stores. Tell people a lot about the game you want to sell.
If a game like W101 (for example) doesn't get the sales it needs to make even, it is never the fault of the potential customer, but the marketing team for not explaining it well enough to the audience, or the developers making the game to complex/simple/asthetically unappealing or the publisher pricing the game too high.
Freeman
Banned
For real?
I didn't get to play any of the games on the list, but I'm interested in STEAM since FE was one of the best games I played on 3Ds(just because of that, what was shown on E3 wasn't enough to convince me of anything). Of the other ones I only heard of Pushmo and Rusty's Real Deal Baseball (it sounded like Nintendo's little evil experiment, I don't know if is true).
Captain Europe
Member
Who knows, maybe I'll see something gameplay-wise that'll make me fall in love with it, I'm open to it.
It's impossible to make IPs that will stand out next to Mario/Zelda/Pokemon, will never happen.
They're trying to.
Just give them time ?
True.
When most people say they want Nintnedo to make new IPs, what they're getting at is they want Nintendo to make new IPs that feel AAA and can live up to ridiculously high expectations. A new IP that people feel comfortable elevating to the upper echelons of Mario, Zelda, etc. Something with the polish of 3D mario, the epicness of Zelda, and of course, the most important characteristic of new IPs, characters that people want to see in smash bros. : p
On topic. The reason is because making games like this is tough and they rarely sell well. It's why this is an industry wide problem, not just a Nintendo problem.
You need time and money. More time than usual because everything is new. Time and money that may not be worth it do to the probably low sales.
And most importantly, you need a new concept that's worth exploring in the first place. Those are hard to come by these days. The old Nintendo who created new genres with every new game released doesn't exist anymore. Not because they're worse now, but because it's 2014. Everything's been done. You can't just pull new concepts out of nowhere.
Anyway, Splatoon looks amazing. It's basically the shooter genre getting Pikmin'd. Action, puzzle, platformer, mascot shooter. So give it to me now, please.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The trouble is, people have little interest in New IPs. For example, Project STEAM was another new Nintendo IP shown off during this Direct, but very few people seem to care.
I do.
according to this thread, it only "counts" as a new IP when it checks ALL the following requisites:
-It has to be as big as Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Instantly.
-It has to sell millions
-It has to be made by EAD
-It has to be made or supervised by Miyamoto
-It can't be an eshop-exclusive title
-It has to be colorful
-It needs to have a unique art style
-It needs to have a unique and innovative gameplay
-It needs to be well-received by game journalists
-It needs to have AAA budget
I'm amused.
-It has to be as big as Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Instantly.
-It has to sell millions
-It has to be made by EAD
-It has to be made or supervised by Miyamoto
-It can't be an eshop-exclusive title
-It has to be colorful
-It needs to have a unique art style
-It needs to have a unique and innovative gameplay
-It needs to be well-received by game journalists
-It needs to have AAA budget
what am I missing?
I'm amused.
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