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[Vicetrailia]

console size and power draw, it could be an underclocked chip to save on power/heat output to fit in the size console they are showing.

Oh okay size that they are showing, so it's not open ended considering that one thing.

 

[Shogmaster]

So what does wattage have to do with anything? Why are people concerned about the wattage?

Power consumption gives you clue about amount of shaders the thing might pack, based on PC video cards' power requirements.

 

[guek]

So, does that make the PC Brolly since it requires the might of multiple consoles to take it down?

 

[Minsc]

The 360 and PS3 are capable of some pretty wicked shit that's relatively impressive even to this day.

But is this capable of running everything that's made for it at 60fps and 1080p? Because the 360/PS3 failed largely in that area.

 

[Vic]

PC GAF: *laughs*

Wii U's impact on game development will matter depending on console install base. If this sells well, then this console will be the new benchmark unless Microsoft/Sony push in a better system.

None of the future consoles will touch the PC's top dogs when it comes to performance.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Meh. I was hoping they'd go for a DX11 level card and get some tesselation love since I thought the blossoms in that birds demo might have utilised that.

The RV700 line of chips has a tesselator, it just doesn't use one that is DX11 compliant. Which wouldn't matter for Nintendo anyway since they don't use DX on their machines.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Please add this to the OP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...essing_units#Radeon_R700_.28HD_4xxx.29_series

 

[shadyspace]

I don't care, you'll never get me to stop bringing up SSJ2 Gohan no matter how tenuously related it is to the conversation.

 

[clav]

Engadget failed in reporting though. It's not the 4890 as that's a huge difference between that and the middle end cards.

 

[Lonely1]

Engadget failed in reporting though. It's not the 4890 as that's a huge difference between that and the middle end cards.

Isn't that much better than a 4870. About 20% or so.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Engadget: reword it, no research.

 

[heringer]

So, does that make the PC Brolly since it requires the might of multiple consoles to take it down?

Naw man, PC is Goku ascending to the fucking skies on Shen Long's back.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Gotenks

 

[Nemo]

4850 again showing its boss status

Maybe now it'll finally get used to its fullest

 

[clav]

None of the future consoles will touch the PC's top dogs when it comes to performance.

Actually for the X360's time, it was on par with the PCs in terms of design. The embedded 10 MB RAM for shader use supposedly was a game changer.

Of course now, that fails in comparison.

 

[Minsc]

Isn't that much better than a 4870. About 20% or so.

20% under Windows. What's the actual % though, you have to go to fillrate and all those other direct hardware specs.

 

[guek]

I think that 50% more powerful statement was about the processing power.

yeah possibly. The xenon is 3.2GHz tri-core...power7s run from 3.0-4.25GHz quad cores. If the wiiU is indeed a modified tri-core like rumors suggest, an ignorant look at the clock speeds might lead you to believe the wiiU is only "50%" more powerful.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Engadget's reporting really sucks. I expect more and better from them.

They don't even get the name of the chip right, it's RV770, not R770.

This sucks because we still know almost nothing.

 

[beast786]

This is an awesome news if true. It seems Nintendo step up.

 

[Azure J]

I for one feel happy that GAF has adopted the "Dragonball Z characters per power output" approach to defining console ability. That's a metric anyone can understand. :lol

 

[Massa]

But is this capable of running everything that's made for it at 60fps and 1080p? Because the 360/PS3 failed largely in that area.

The only way it will run games at 1080p and 60fps is if they're not made for it, but for weaker hardware instead. The 360/PS3 didn't fail anything, developers choose to optimize the resources they have available in a way that doesn't favor the resolution and framerate you want.

 

[Lonely1]

Actually for the X360's time, it was on par with the PCs in terms of design. The embedded 10 MB RAM for shader use supposedly was a game changer.

Power budget for discrete GPU has increased considerably since 2005.

 

[DisenLedZep]

So a custom GPU based on several year old tech? Pretty much what was expected.

PS3 used/uses a modified 7900 series... it's the same they did a generation ago.
The rv770 is several miles ahead of the 7900 series.

 

[DSN2K]

if it is what they say then yeah its far far better then the GPU's in the PS3 and 360, but then frankly it should be its been 5 years...even budget Cards whip them.

 

[Dennis]

What is the news?

We heard this rumor weeks ago and debated it here on GAF.

As far as I can tell this adds nothing new.

 

[Luckyman]

Read the actual PC Watch article. Engadget is making shit up

 

[Minsc]

The only way it will run games at 1080p and 60fps is if they're not made for it, but for weaker hardware instead. The 360/PS3 didn't fail anything, developers choose to optimize the resources they have available in a way that doesn't favor the resolution and framerate you want.

Well a lot of people think next gen will run everything at 1080p and 60fps. You have a point, a lot of developers may not want their games to run 1080p + 60fps over being able to improve other things at the cost of resolution/framerate.

 

[mentalfloss]

Seriously though. Four player strategy/ RTS games, each player controlling his area of land, with one huge map on the tv would be killer. I can imagine so Many different games that could use 4 screens

Makes more sense to have the map on the controller and the gameplay on your TV.

 

[Nirolak]

Unless is severely (but severely) down clocked and outstripped, is way stronger than "just 50%".
SO would the 4830 and 4730, though. The "50%" only fits if they are using a downclocked 4650.

Honestly this whole thing makes no sense unless the cards are currently heavily downclocked.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Ah. Well, great. Now we can move on to the next mystery - the online - and leave this subject for dead.

Haha, good one Vinci.

 

[wsippel]

Honestly this whole thing makes no sense unless the cards are currently heavily downclocked.

Maybe they currently use 55nm PC GPUs, downclocked to not set the cases on fire.

 

[Sianos]

Maybe they currently use 55nm PC GPUs, downclocked to not set the cases on fire.

The system is powered by red Pikmin?

 

[Azure J]

Haha, good one Vinci.

I'm mildly annoyed that we'll know everything about this system's specs and potential before launch, whereas no one will get hands on with the online stuff until weeks/months afterward. =/

 

[DisenLedZep]

Well a lot of people think next gen will run everything at 1080p and 60fps. You have a point, a lot of developers may not want their games to run 1080p + 60fps over being able to improve other things at the cost of resolution/framerate.

This must be a standard. If not, we're talking about technical prowess for nothing.

"Oh yeah, the PS4 and X720 will be more power than the WiiU technically, but they will remain under the 1080p and 60Hz for design issues."

'Cause if that's been the main problem of developers (focusing on other things rather than better resolution and framerate) absolutely everything we said in the "last generation" was bullshit.

 

[Jocchan]

Honestly this whole thing makes no sense unless the cards are currently heavily downclocked.

The 50% statement is inconsistent with pretty much all the rumored specs. So they either got something wrong, or the rumored specs are all wrong.

Well a lot of people think next gen will run everything at 1080p and 60fps.

I'd say they'd better stop hoping.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Oh okay size that they are showing, so it's not open ended considering that one thing.

However, the console overall is larger than the Wii and all of the GameCube tech has been cut out. Overall volume of the console would seem to be a pretty healthy bump.

 

[Darkman M]

You are not running the witcher 2 max on a 4890 lol (i tried)

 

[apana]

powerful, not powerful, powerful, not powerful.......

 

[Paracelsus]

You are not running the witcher 2 max on a 4890 lol (i tried)

They can try to optimize, it's still an uphill battle though.

 

[Plinko]

Is anybody else disgusted by who these kids picked as "superheroes?"

Back on topic, the Wii U power news seems like a pendulum. At least this is some decent news, maybe.

 

[RedSwirl]

So the Wii U is the result of Krillin dying?

No, that would make the PS3/360 the result of Krillin dying. Given that, the Wii U would be the result of Vegeta and Trunks' time in the hyperbolic time chamber.

 

[ryūkotsusei]

Can anyone translate the original GameWatch source?

 

[Gravijah]

Is anybody else disgusted by who these kids picked as "superheroes?"

Well yeah, Broly is a bad guy. He should have picked Gohan or Goku or something.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

You are not running the witcher 2 max on a 4890 lol (i tried)

Doesn't mean anything in a closed environment.

Your PC performance with similar parts does not equal what those parts can do in a closed environment.

 

[Kenka]

Please add this to the OP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...essing_units#Radeon_R700_.28HD_4xxx.29_series

So, the only RV770-based GPU that is equipped with GDDR5 is the 4870 ? a 4870 inside the WiiU would be Janemba-level of power, seriously.

 

[Neo C.]

Honestly this whole thing makes no sense unless the cards are currently heavily downclocked.

I'll stay pessimistic and say it's heavily downclocked. After all, the console is quite small.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

What is the difference between an RV770 and a 4850? I don't understand the terminology

 

[Massa]

Well a lot of people think next gen will run everything at 1080p and 60fps. You have a point, a lot of developers may not want their games to run 1080p + 60fps over being able to improve other things at the cost of resolution/framerate.

1080p, sure; I doubt 60fps will ever be a standard for console games.

 

[Minsc]

Doesn't mean anything in a closed environment.

Your PC performance with similar parts does not equal what those parts can do in a closed environment.

His PC doesn't even equal what other PCs (with 4890s) can do, ultra @ 20-40fps.

It was sorta all a joke anyway I figured, since it's running on a 360 which is slower than the Wii U.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

This is how I see it............

PS3: RSX= "mediocre" CELL= "very good" 256MB-XDR+256MB-GDDR3

360: XENOS= "great" XENON= "mediocre" 512MB GDDR3

WU: GPU= "very good/excellent" CPU= "very good/excellent (hoping for 1GB GDDR5)

The WU should be a nicely balanced system relative to the HD twins and quite powerful. Though not 2x/5x or 50% better. From third parties we should see some nice stuff. I do wish Nintendo would setup a team to do a more realistic game though (something like Uncharted) to balance out the "classic" games.