Ideaman has the answer.And like others pointed out, games are more and more scalable due to the engines. Hences the Unity deal.
Protip: Nintendo bought one of those IPs mentioned in the pic.
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Wii U: Not Enough Bandwith?
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Ideaman has the answer.And like others pointed out, games are more and more scalable due to the engines. Hences the Unity deal.
Protip: Nintendo bought one of those IPs mentioned in the pic.
...heh
StreetsAhead
Member
Watchdogs or 1313 it is, then! Both pubs seem pretty ok with the Wii U so far.
How'd I miss that?
10x more? Um.... yeah... going to need a source for that...
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
So pretty much the same thing that happens every gen...?
I missed it too, but when you think of it, that was something bgassassin talked about with his splinter cell(lol) comparison talk and scalability. So it will be interesting to see how much it happen.
Please tell me an example of those circumstances, I'd love to know.
I can point out an aspect where it's ~10x slower than PS360 in return!
Mithos
Member
Getting 3rd party support ? ;p
I hope it's Watch_Dogs. That looks a hell of a lot more interesting than 1313, granted we have only seen a small glimpse of 1313 however that left a seriously bad impression for me. Looked and felt like Uncharted in Space rather than Star Wars.
10x i see..
Where can I get a ticket to get to the fantasy land you're in?
He probably has Wii U's potential 32MB eDRAM bandwidth in mind, which could easily be over 100 GB/s? But he's clearly taking some liberties since no one knows the configuration. He's also likely only comparing it to PS3 since Xbox 360 also boasts high eDRAM bandwidth figures(256 GB/s). Although, as mentioned before, Xbox 360's eDRAM bw figures are tied to ROPs, and sits off the GPU via a much narrower 32 GB/s bridge, which some say is a potential bottleneck. Wii U's eDRAM is expected to be "special" in the sense that sits directly on the GPU, improving the latency and bandwidth for a wide range of GPU processes, and could potentially far exceed that 32 GB/s figure of Xbox 360. Or, maybe not by that much at all. No one know.
Still, yeah, it sounds like someone is being way too dogmatic about something we know very little about.
Well, i think it's more or less 10 times faster getting trolled. You go.
test_account
XP-39C²
Which one?
Fatal Frame. Nintendo co-owns the ip.
Soo... Ubisoft or Disney... both it is!
StreetsAhead
Member
I hope Watch_Dogs too, but I wasn't entirley serious when Isaid that before, either.
I thought 1313 was Activision?
NinjaTehFish
Banned
Actually this is a (kinda) good point . Does Disney buying the starwars IP effect 1313?
Wikipedia said/says LucasArts.
Disney said there is "no change"
We should end up with both 1313 and Watch_Dogs then.
LucasArts brought the Force Unleashed games to the Wii and as far as i can remember they have been pretty good with their support of Nintendo systems.
Ubisoft so far has been the best supporter of the WiiU and they appear to have the best relationship (As a western 3rd party) with Nintendo unless im forgetting someone.
All deals are still in place at the moment. That was the last official word for the most part. Doesn't mean Disney can't or won't demand changes in terms of platform, etc in the future. Their IP (they own Lucasarts) to do with as they wish.
Chronos24
Member
Oh my god Fatal Frame is perfect for WiiU!!!
Indeed, and actually any next gen game that's also targeting PC, will be feasible on WiiU just down to the fact that PC games have to be scaleable by nature. If Crysis or Unreal didn't play on a broad range of PC's it'd be a financial suicide. PC games are configurable, resolution, filtering, etc... Turn down enough sliders and you get an uglier version of the same game for lower spec machines.
I'm not saying the Wii U will get all the next gen games, but if there is a PC release that's reasonably developed, there shouldn't be a technical reason for it to not happen.
Releasing games on the eShop......
Next!
I just checked and yes there is a high level of uppercase letters for sure!Wow i see there are passionate persons about tech in the article's comments lol
BTW: Great article IM. Nice to have it all distilled and put in one place.
laughingkizo
Neo Member
the wii u under powered topic has been over blown, even though it still has the same basic cpu the GPU(shaders) has been majorly beefed op. games are not cpu bond
and the wii u as a 32MB buffer cache as wll as a 8GB io buffer to compensate for the lower main memory bandwidth.
and the wii u as a 32MB buffer cache as wll as a 8GB io buffer to compensate for the lower main memory bandwidth.
Huh? Are you talking about the Flash RAM? If so, I'm not sure if it's not actually slower than the drive which is 22ish MB/s. The load times of things on the Wii U would suggest it's damned terrible.
XtremeXpider
Member
Some people must read some B3D, the "GPGPU/eDRAM" magic is back
laughingkizo
Neo Member
flash memery has zero seek time and works better with larger pages, the allgarythams were not optimized flash is always faster the disk
...said Iwata, regarding the specs.
yeahhh... okay buddy.
I hope it's WD too. I know it's not right to base opinions on a trailer but SW1313 just looks like your generic hallway simulator garbage but nope, not the WD trailer. Hah maybe I'm wrong and 1313 ends up being an open world game and that the only reason they showed that particular section for the trailer is because they wanted to show off the face tech and ooh particles so pretty.
When that WD trailer first showed up on E3, it was engaging, fresh and entertaining right from the get go. I have high expectations for the game and if I had to choose between WD and 1313 for the Wii U, WD gets my vote.
The game is perfect for the Wii U anyway. There were some parts of the game where the guy whipped out a PDA thing.... put that shit on the GamePad, done.
XtremeXpider
Member
I really think that they are realistic, and some of them knows more than most people in NeoGAF
EDIT: And they are not saying that we will never see anything better than current gen.
Projectjustice
Banned
I agree.
Not necessarily if it's some shitty USB keyring quality stuff.
And it's a Ubisoft title who are reasonably supportive of Wii U.
Some people must read some B3D, the "GPGPU/eDRAM" magic is back
I don't like this idea that some people have where whenever "GPGPU capabilities" or "eDRAM" are mentioned, somehow the entire post is discredited. Granted, there are people who know nothing about it, and actually do believe that these are somehow "magical saviors", but the terms themselves lend some credence, and don't deserve to be the butt of many of these overused jokes (bad ones, at that). I'm not referring to your post specifically, but just as a general thought.
Also, why the B3D worship I see from some people? B3D is just another forum; not some ultra-secretive tech cult. Many people there are also wrong about certain things, and many others just share their opinions. I see it as a more tech-focused GAF.
XtremeXpider
Member
A lot people "believe" that edram and/or GPGPU are the saviors. Can GPGPU and/or eDRAM (and a lot of work) do better things? yes, but it is not like a "magic" thing.
There are some devs and architects posting un B3D, and some people with more knowledge than me (and than a lot gafers xD ).
I'm not saying "B3D is better than other forums", I'm just saying some people on B3D have greater knowledge than most people in this thread.
Well, yeah. My point was that in light of the basic leaked specs, the terms themselves have been somewhat of a mockery throughout GAF, regardless of the credence of the posts themselves. But this is getting a bit off-topic, anyways.
I just wish we knew exactly what the GPU's specs are (and not inferring/extrapolating them based on launch games and ports) :/
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
The games always tell the true story.
Wiiu is just a really weak hardware for 2012.
you will probably never see games that match the best on ps360.
Wiiu is just a really weak hardware for 2012.
you will probably never see games that match the best on ps360.
I don't get this line of thinking. Do you think it's due to developer talent? Budget? Or do you suggest that the hardware isn't capable of keeping up with PS360?
Huh, So, you are saying is weaker?
Launch games and especially ports never do.
XtremeXpider
Member
AndyH, here in NeoGAF:
3/8/2012:
3/10/2012:
3/24/2012:
3/26/2012:
I guess he is legit.
3/8/2012:
3/10/2012:
3/24/2012:
3/26/2012:
I guess he is legit.
He's saying you should judge a console solely by it's launch lineup because King Kong is the best looking 360 game ever made.
XtremeXpider
Member
King Kong 360 has a better looking than Xbox 1 version... and a greater resolution too...
That's the thing, though. We know Wii U isn't miles ahead of its last-gen competitors, so things like higher resolution, or drastically better fidelity like the kind we saw jumping from Xbox to Xbox 360 is not really in the books.
Besides, a ~4770 esque GPU in a console is actually a pretty big step-up from Xenos. Not anything like an underclocked 7970M, but I digress.
I guess he's not a programmer, though. Marcan doesn't seem to agree that the CPU is actually weaker. Well, it depends on the workload, of course.
Also, neither Durango nor Orbis appear to be "monsters", with their netbook CPUs and notebook GPUs. Sure, the numbers are big, but what's behind those numbers isn't really all that impressive. I still don't see another Wii situation - at least not on a pure performance level.
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