ClovingSteam seems very confident in Arkam being in the industry. So I suppose he asked Evilore by PM and he answered him directly.
EDIT : Aaaaaand burn. But I wasn't that far.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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ClovingSteam seems very confident in Arkam being in the industry. So I suppose he asked Evilore by PM and he answered him directly.
EDIT : Aaaaaand burn. But I wasn't that far.
lordfroakie
Member
#makes note of hardware leakers for future reference
so Darksiders 2 wii U is worse than the x360 and ps3 versions? really???That's not what we've read about THQ producer interviews...
lordfroakie
Member
So did Eatchildren pages ago. Still dont believe you until Evilore posts in the thread.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
lol.
Lore just said he was in the industry. He didn't say anything more than that. Let's not go assuming this guy is a top tier producer or developer who knows the ins and outs of here.
bgassassin
Member
I still believe the problem(s) arkam mentioned are on the programmer side.
That's pretty fucking terrible news
Don't overreact now. This is hardly confirmation of anything.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I realize that much weaker than final hardware SDK's are common, but this still astounds me.
I'm guessing that wsippel is right, but that seems one huge gulf between sdk and final hardware.
I'm guessing that wsippel is right, but that seems one huge gulf between sdk and final hardware.
AceBandage
Banned
So his company sucks?
Annoying Old Party Man
Member
Well my guts tell me this is true. The screen, the small size if the system, the need to be affordable.
I guess Nintendo seems ok with making a modern console with older specs.
I guess Nintendo seems ok with making a modern console with older specs.
R
Rösti
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These "revelatory" notes I find utterly perplexing, though if true they bode for an absolutely cataclysmical media briefing at E3; we even might get to know more about this at GDC if people keep striding for Arkam, or other sources, to spill more beans.
If Wii U is indeed overall weaker than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, it doesn't have to mean anything bad for portability. But I can see developers struggling to port projects on Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 to Wii U, because of what I can imagine is a relatively large power and performance gap/ratio between the three systems. I'm staying mildly skeptical to this at the moment though.
If Wii U is indeed overall weaker than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, it doesn't have to mean anything bad for portability. But I can see developers struggling to port projects on Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 to Wii U, because of what I can imagine is a relatively large power and performance gap/ratio between the three systems. I'm staying mildly skeptical to this at the moment though.
Gianni Merryman
Member
As someone who has never been admittedly much into Pokemon games, I have been thinking about this myself for some time - a 3D Pokemon game on a home console with better graphics would be a big success I thought - but after some rethinking, I think I can see the Nintendo's viewpoint and I have no doubt about Pokemon games on 3DS having much more potential - not only commercially - than any possible Pokemon games on WiiU.
I guess it's just:
* In the first place Pokemon is a typical game tailored on purpose for handheld consoles, that's how it originated and it works perfectly on a tiny screen like many other turn-based RPGs, and since Pokemons' fans supposedly like it this way I think there's no need to change the winning formula.
* In Japan handhelds are more popular than home-consoles and Pokemon has been selling like hot pancakes there just because of this, on a much bigger user-base than Wii and possibly WiiU, on top of that Pokemon games have helped a big deal for the success of Nintendo' handheld over Western countries, so business-wise releasing a main Pokemon game on a home-console should not be quite a smart move.
* Lower development costs and less time required for developing teams to bother with HD graphics and stuff, in this regards I reckon in Pokemon games graphics are not that important compared to other games that rely much more on 3D full-detailed worlds.
Indeed. If it were inferior in some ways to 360 and PS3, I doubt highly that it would only take 5 WEEKS to get Darksiders II running on WiiU. NO ONE is that good at scaling a game back.
fabricated backlash
Member
How many duct taped Gamecubes are we talking about now?
AceBandage
Banned
Half one.
It's likely a combination of things. Arkam doesn't really talk in specifics, which seems to imply he doesn't have a lot of technical knowledge. I'm inclined to believe he his info is also second hand. I also wouldn't be surprised at all if nintendo was really lax about updating dev kits for smaller studios. Best case scenario, Arkam is referring to early gen 1 dev kits (which were stated as being superior to PS360 by several devs), has only a cursory grasp of the technical specs of the machine, and is going off of second hand knowledge.
Funny how none of this is going to really matter after E3. We'll have a much better understanding of the Wii U in a few months time. I'm still highly skeptical of Arkam. He's contradicting official statements by several devs, so who knows.
This means nothing.
With more sources saying the Wii U is more powerful than otherwise, I'm not prepared to take the dubiously negative and poorly supported opinions of a shady GAF member as gospel.
It's funny how easily swayed people are hearing random illogical statements from an anonymous source vs. the seemingly unanimous statements
from credible and renowned industry insiders.
I guess E3 will be a good time to look back and laugh at these ridiculous shenanigans we're suffering from now.
P.s. typing on the 3DS with your finger is frustratingly slow!
With more sources saying the Wii U is more powerful than otherwise, I'm not prepared to take the dubiously negative and poorly supported opinions of a shady GAF member as gospel.
It's funny how easily swayed people are hearing random illogical statements from an anonymous source vs. the seemingly unanimous statements
from credible and renowned industry insiders.
I guess E3 will be a good time to look back and laugh at these ridiculous shenanigans we're suffering from now.
P.s. typing on the 3DS with your finger is frustratingly slow!
The screen costs next to nothing. Its the same size you find in basic car GPS and in dash/seat DVD systems. I would be shocked if the entire controller cost more than $35. yes thats expensive when you consider a Wii Remote costs like $4 but its not going to cause power deficiencies.
bgassassin
Member
I wouldn't say they suck as we don't see what they are seeing. But what he's saying doesn't constitute itself to confirming their problems being due to the hardware. That's due to other info we have.
AceBandage
Banned
Ouch.
Maybe the console is a tad faster than the 360/PS3, but the overhead for streaming to the controller screens means visuals on par with or slightly less than this gen's HD consoles?
In any event, 1st party games at 720p will look mind numbing even with less horsepower. Nintendo's cache of franchise benefit from fantastic design and art direction.
Edit: To the poster above me, being weaker doesn't mean no 1080p. Just means major compromises visually to get there. There's nothing stopping the 360 or PS3 from rendering at that Res.
This could be bad for long term success with 3rd parties though.
In any event, 1st party games at 720p will look mind numbing even with less horsepower. Nintendo's cache of franchise benefit from fantastic design and art direction.
Edit: To the poster above me, being weaker doesn't mean no 1080p. Just means major compromises visually to get there. There's nothing stopping the 360 or PS3 from rendering at that Res.
This could be bad for long term success with 3rd parties though.
DocTarHeel
Member
Why all the drama over one anonymous source, especially considering the fact that there are so many other rumors that contradict it?
I'd believe stuff straight from developers before believing an anonymous rumor.
I'd believe stuff straight from developers before believing an anonymous rumor.
AceBandage
Banned
It's not weaker than the 360/PS3.
Even at E3, when the system was at its weakest, it was stronger than them.
This was confirmed by ACTUAL devs.
Even at E3, when the system was at its weakest, it was stronger than them.
This was confirmed by ACTUAL devs.
Then there's the direct comments from nintendo talking about how they want to address performance concerns of 3rd parties. Then there's the comments by Mike Capps, Mark Rein, Peter Moore, the Darksider's II dev team, the Aliens:CM team, Team Ninja, Crytech, etc. etc.
It boggles the mind!
It boggles the mind!
bgassassin
Member
It just means that they are dealing with an early(-ier) kit version. I give credit to arkam for being clear about that.
We don't know how many firmware updates they've received to even know what version of the dev kit his company has. And as we found out last month, companies (most likely the bigger ones) have started seeing kits that are better representations of the final hardware. And again I give arkam credit for saying they haven't received access to that yet.
My take, Wii U is massively NDA'ed, no responsible or respectable developer would dare talk about it on a public forum.
Dev kits are only in the hands of hand picked choices by Nintendo like every new platform, these guys don't casually chat on forums on future projects, if they did it would be foolish, nobody likes to be unemployed.
Dev kits are only in the hands of hand picked choices by Nintendo like every new platform, these guys don't casually chat on forums on future projects, if they did it would be foolish, nobody likes to be unemployed.
I think it's a testament to how much we still don't know about the Wii U. I mean, there are rumors and developer interviews that we can infer bits of knowledge from. But really, at the end of the day, we don't know shiiiiiiit about Wii U.
I still want to believe that Arkam is grossly misinformed, though. I do not want to believe that Nintendo would release a console that is underpowered compared to 7-year-old hardware. As far as gamers go, such a console would be a laughing stock right out the gate, and there'd be absolutely zero incentive for 3rd parties to support it long term.
Dreamwriter
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Because one of the big advantages to NeoGAF is how tough they are on people falsely claiming to have inside information on something. Other forums you'll hear lots of "my uncle has a personal Wii-U dev kit and it's basically a Gameboy Color with holograms", and then someone else repeats that ("I heard the Wii-U is a GBC"), and soon it is spread around as common knowledge. Here if you say that you'd better hope that turns out close to that or your ass is grass. Especially if you're a Junior. It makes for a better discussion environment.
But Nintendo could have decided to play it safe after losing money on the 3DS and opted for the lowest specced configuration to offset another potential early price cut. It's an utterly moronic decision but I wouldn't put it past them.
AceBandage
Banned
That doesn't make sense, though.
They'd have to go back and redesign the system.
You can't just magically make it weaker and save money.
You have to go back and spend money on R&D all over again.
bgassassin
Member
Not logical at all actually. They wouldn't make that kind of decision based on what the 3DS has done.
4 real
FreeMufasa
Junior Member
I agree. I just couldn't imagine myself sitting down and loading up a Pokemon game from a console. I see so many people out an about with gbc/gba/ds playing pokemon, trading and I think that is another major reason Nintendo will want to keep it handheld exclusive. It's also probably why they haven't gone full out with online functionality. They want people to actively meet, socialise and trade.
Oh definitely....
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If Nintendo was being truthful with trying to get 3rd-parties on board, then, no, it isn't.
Edit: LOL--read your quote as "POSSIBLE," not "IMPOSSIBLE." Nevermind, then.
So I think I'm just going to sit out of the conversations/threads regarding Wii U for a while, or at least until GDC. I don't want to imagine what it's going to be like with this little bit of new info and folks on both sides fighting it out to get a real understanding of what Wii U is capable of.
I still wonder how it's possible to put together anything in the modern age that doesn't wholly leapfrog the 2005 era stuff in PS360 even in it's early crude forms.
I still wonder how it's possible to put together anything in the modern age that doesn't wholly leapfrog the 2005 era stuff in PS360 even in it's early crude forms.
snowdog1971
Banned
BEST. CONSOLE. EVER.
One of my fondest memories from my childhood, arcade games in your own home - and in colour too!!!
Not to mention it would really piss off devs who'd already started developing games for the initial target specs.
lordfroakie
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