AceBandage
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They won't stop until the system is launched.
And even then, they'll just be renamed to the "Official Wii U [OT]"
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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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They won't stop until the system is launched.
And even then, they'll just be renamed to the "Official Wii U [OT]"
sadly 2013 smash u/3ds would be impossible...... unless they dont overdo adventure mode again
radioheadrule83
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With Sony having their own Android walled garden in the PS Suite, does anyone think it would be possible in a million years for Nintendo to do something similar?
I was thinking about it, and it would be very beneficial, but it would have to be an unusual setup. They'd have to re-write their ROM to output to the secondary display (the tablet controller), which would probably be a considerable amount of work... but the specs make it more than capable obviously, and what's more is that making your device compatible and tailoring the source code is 'free'.
Near Field Communication is possible on Android 4.0, and Wii-U has more than the 340MB necessary for the kernel and userspace, it has the 350MB+ necessary for App Shared Storage, it has the extensible memory via USB / SD... it is actually also possible and permissible to code a ROM so that it will launch applications (or games) in Alternate Execution Environments (environments other than the Dalvik VM) seamlessly too, as long as they don't dip into resources used by Android and it doesn't compromise security.
To my mind, its very very doable, and would make the controller much more useful and cool -- because to get a standalone tablet with the same processing grunt that the Wii-U would have would cost probably 2 or 3 times the amount that the Wii-U will cost. I think people would happily forgo the "leaving the house" aspect of a tablet, if they could get a very powerful one they could only use in the home. I just can't see Nintendo doing it though, because they are precious about controlling their eco-system. So are Sony and Microsoft actually.
I was thinking about it, and it would be very beneficial, but it would have to be an unusual setup. They'd have to re-write their ROM to output to the secondary display (the tablet controller), which would probably be a considerable amount of work... but the specs make it more than capable obviously, and what's more is that making your device compatible and tailoring the source code is 'free'.
Near Field Communication is possible on Android 4.0, and Wii-U has more than the 340MB necessary for the kernel and userspace, it has the 350MB+ necessary for App Shared Storage, it has the extensible memory via USB / SD... it is actually also possible and permissible to code a ROM so that it will launch applications (or games) in Alternate Execution Environments (environments other than the Dalvik VM) seamlessly too, as long as they don't dip into resources used by Android and it doesn't compromise security.
To my mind, its very very doable, and would make the controller much more useful and cool -- because to get a standalone tablet with the same processing grunt that the Wii-U would have would cost probably 2 or 3 times the amount that the Wii-U will cost. I think people would happily forgo the "leaving the house" aspect of a tablet, if they could get a very powerful one they could only use in the home. I just can't see Nintendo doing it though, because they are precious about controlling their eco-system. So are Sony and Microsoft actually.
I hope Nintendo announces GameCube Virtual Console at E3. Lately I have been going back and forth between buying a GameCube. (Mine was sadly lost during a move about 3 years ago). I have a great collection of games and several controllers, so I could always play them on Wii....But my gut is GameCube will still be running when its just nuclear zombies and cockroaches roaming the earth, and the Wii will crap out sooner or later.
I can see the 3DS version making it assuming another team went ahead without Sakurai. I'm sure Nintendo could get a team to make a Brawl/Melee downport and add a nice online, 3D support, spot pass, some new levels and DLC ready for mid-holiday 2013.
GameplayWhore
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This would mesh well with the ">512MB of memory restricted from developer usage" info that's been leaked out.
DragonSworne
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Nintendo is looking to please their investors, and the biggest push from some investors is to make Nintendo develop on iOS.
With this approach, Nintendo brings that market to them. Anything to shut up investors begging for iOS is a huge win in my book.
Price?
Release date?
1st party launch titles?
Bullshit xbox360 multiplier equivalent?
E3 Surprise?
$299.99
November 18, 2012
new super mario bros. mii (connects with super mario bros. 4 on the 3ds!), pikmin 3, monster games game
1.2x
zelda trailer. skyward sword was basically done in 2010.
Release date?
1st party launch titles?
Bullshit xbox360 multiplier equivalent?
E3 Surprise?
$299.99
November 18, 2012
new super mario bros. mii (connects with super mario bros. 4 on the 3ds!), pikmin 3, monster games game
1.2x
zelda trailer. skyward sword was basically done in 2010.
Agreed. We'll just move on to speculating about what titles will be delayed, what titles will suck, when Launch Day is, what the final price will be, different camping and preordering strategies, pre-Launch product reviews from media outlets, reported sightings of demo units at retail locations, how long the line is currently at your local Best Buy, what bullshit bundles your retailer is requiring with a preorder, any counter-moves that Sony and Microsoft make, comments from developers and publishers, and what food you'll be stocking-up for Launch Week.
There will always be plenty to talk about. It will be glorious, as usual.
Hmm. I'm worried that this would backfire.
I don't think we'll see Super Smash Bros release for Wii U until 2015 but it's nice to want things
If anything, wouldn't they be showing off a Zelda for 3DS?
Fixed. There's no chance in hell that it's over 512MB, though.
I don't know enough about Android to know how "pedal to the metal" it is and whether it would get the performance Nintendo would want. An OS seems to have a crapton of overhead which is never particularly welcome in a gaming console.
However, if Nintendo wanted to offer more OS type functionality it would seem silly to write their own full operating system.
not if they're going for the graphics hype. i suppose they could though. i don't think super smash bros: the wii u game that also has to look like a 3ds game is going to cut it.
bgassassin
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It will be the one thread that needs a remake even years later. Calling it now.
How much does Nintendo really care about their investors though? The company was public long before they were a game company and (I might be wrong) I think the Yamuchi family owns a HUGE percentage of the company. I've always felt Nintendo is a public company today because they were 50 years ago, and there's no point changing now.
Also, Nintendo games will be on iOS when the industry as we know it has completely collapsed and the company has cratered to rock bottom.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I still don't understand why that much memory would need to be walled off while p,aging the main game.... unless?? They will alow a second tablet user to use the O/S features while player one plays a disc game? But, then they'd need to dedicate CPU and GPU resources along with the memory. Can a PC even multitask in this way?
radioheadrule83
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The actual bootloader is usually really lightweight, but the kernel can be 2MB+. The "home" menus are effectively little apps themselves that serve as shortcuts to other apps, they all run in Dalvik VMs and do not interact/operate in each others spaces unless specifically designed to... a few persistent services usually run in the background, but nothing I would have thought too onerous, and when the system needs resources it usually kills a VM or unnecessary service in order to proceed.
Basically when a Wii-U game or Wii game launched, they could make a call to the loader to suspend / force close all non-essential VMs (including the home menu) and run the native code. If the ARM11 they've put in there as a handler for media functions and so forth is capable enough, maybe that could also act like the Starlet did in the Wii and handle all the low level bootloading, plus the app loading and suspending functionality too. If they did it right, they could probably get it down in such a way that the only resources being taken up would be on the solid state storage (for the OS itself) and by whatever persistent services they want to keep running (friends list / messaging / notifications).
Again, I think I'd love to see it, but I can't see Nintendo being open to it -- unless they got a nudge from some third parties or something.
That's a pretty cool thought to be honest. Also what if that RAM is also used for VC games so not only can you do OS stuff, you can actually play VC games on one tablet while the other is playing a "full" game or using the system for other things.
Even we don't get it, they might just be holding off on making the RAM available until they know exactly how much they need for their OS stuff - present and future features.
A quarter of 3DS's RAM is reserved for the OS. It makes sense that the same would be true of Wii U.
GameplayWhore
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This is absolutely possible. On Linux systems, for example, you can have a bunch of separate graphical sessions running at the same time, logged in as different users or even all as the same user, where special keystrokes swap back and forth between them on one monitor. It's really tricky to get two physical screens to have two logins (especially since you have to selectively allocate your input devices and soforth), but it is possible. It is likely far easier on a device where you build your the base level software up from scratch.
A very large part of me hopes that Nintendo is true to their word: if they stop making hardware, they stop making software. To be clear: this is just my personal opinion, and I completely understand if it's odd or awful-sounding to some of you, but the idea of playing a Nintendo game on a Microsoft machine seems very abhorrent to me.
At that point, I'd pack it up and stop following the video gaming industry. They could do what they want at that point; I wouldn't care one whiff about them. I'd work on my Nintendo collection. Nayru knows that there's a huge library of games out there from the 1980s onward - and plenty of gaps in my collection. I could live for decades on these gaps I haven't touched - and then more decades on the games that I already have.
I'd continue to collect sealed copies of my very favorite games. My current sealed game collection (for preservation purposes) is already well underway, so I already know what to look for and what to expect as far as pricing is concerned.
Those are my thoughts on that. I'm glad that Nintendo seems to be proud enough that they would be true to their word as far as this issue is concerned. /dons flamesuit
ClovingWestbrook
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TheCongressman1
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It's almost time.
I would assume it is total rubbish.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
The thing is that the idea flies in the face of the whole point of game consoles to begin with, that programmers can count on having access to the whole system and don't have to compete with other applications for resources.
Actually, this idea makes a little more sense in the new Sony and Microsoft machines in that those are reported to include TWO gpus... at least I think.
EricDiesel
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Seriously. I thought this was settled on. This title is so bland and lacking in creativity. >:S
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
What exactly is stored in that reserved memory while you are playing he game? Does it change?
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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I agree, is it possible for it to be changed? This thread deserves the greatness of a new hype.
It really doesn't.
NinjaTehFish
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Us Nintendo fans are a "special' bunch.
also:
And yes that's probably the worst "shop" you'll see all week.....
also:
And yes that's probably the worst "shop" you'll see all week.....
Hmmm...I like the current title.
Yes it may very well present performance issues in some cases but it depends on what tech is in the Wii U and how all the API's are constructed. Think of it like two distinct systems running. There might be two separate API's depending on whether you're running a VC/OS title or a main game.
These API's control access to their own set of resources like main RAM, 1t-SRAM/EDRAM/Nothing, sound channels etc with some pretty strong restrictions on the OS side of things so that there is little effect on the main game.
So long as there's enough tech to handle it (i.e. enough EDRAM for main and some extra for say the 3MB in Flipper of the Gamecube, if it's needed at all) it might work.
Not saying they will, it would require a lot of thought and a lot of work but it would definitely be a cool selling point that's for sure. Man, imagine if it could work in such a way that you could use 4 "tablets" at once, maybe at sacrificing a main game in this situation. Could be great for families.
Edit: Another thought. Could Nintendo essentially include a Wii (Or a Cube??) in there and so any OS stuff you wanted to do could be handled by that, including playing Cube VC games on the tablet and lower?
Wii U has more than 2GB RAM confirmed? (Someone had to say it right?)
IceDoesntHelp
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It's almost time.
Now I'm excited.
Father_Brain
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Posted a week or so ago, and almost certainly bullshit, since Lucid is hiring for a character-based UE3 project. They're way too small to be simultaneously working on two projects for HD consoles, so I think it's safe to call this one.
It's almost time.
It's 54 Days away still! .....must....resist...hype...increase....
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
What I just posted on another site moaning about the Wii U graphics..
Nintendo are right - graphics aren't important.
We have reached a level now where the graphics are "good enough" and we're rapidly hitting a wall.
Super Mario Galaxy 1-2 were the highest rated games this gen on any format. If graphics really mattered, it would be a PS3 game in that position instead.
If you want the best games, buy Nintendo.
If you want the best graphics, buy a $3000 PC.
Nintendo are right - graphics aren't important.
We have reached a level now where the graphics are "good enough" and we're rapidly hitting a wall.
Super Mario Galaxy 1-2 were the highest rated games this gen on any format. If graphics really mattered, it would be a PS3 game in that position instead.
If you want the best games, buy Nintendo.
If you want the best graphics, buy a $3000 PC.
Its like Sadist likes to watch us suffer.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
It's almost like they're a Sadist or something....
GameplayWhore
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That's pretty spinnable. If you look at that particular listing, out of the top ten console games from this generation, the two highest may indeed by those two Wii games, but overall 80% are HD games*. The fact that they're HD systems doesn't make their games automatically inferior on the whole by default.
* there is a ton of repetition there, though
Full disclosure: I always buy Nintendo consoles and enjoy their games highly, even the ones that laugh at you
Oh, did I not make it obvious enough.
Its like he's a
sa·dist  [sey-dist, sad-ist]
noun
1.
Psychiatry . a person who has the condition of sadism, in which one receives sexual gratification from causing pain and degradation to another.
2.
a person who enjoys being cruel.
Graphics are important though. They just aren't the most important.
And the way your post sounds, it implies that PS360 games had shit gameplay for the sake of better graphics. The 360 had the best library of games this generation, in terms of quantity of quality titles.
This "Nintendo monopoly on good gameplay" is the only thing that miffs me about Nintendo fans.
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