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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Still not getting people who declare that Metroid is dead. I will enjoy Retro's Prime 4.

I'll take Prime 4 - Prime 100 before I take another "Other M." I don't care what wsippel says--that game was terrible.
 

Levyne

Banned
I'll take Prime 4 - Prime 100 before I take another "Other M." I don't care what people say--that game was terrible.

Do people say otherwise?

If they do they need a swift butt kicking

(Safe answer: if they do they are entitled to their opinion)
 

Christine

Member
Still not getting people who declare that Metroid is dead. I will enjoy Retro's Prime 4.

Metroid sold far more handhelds than it ever did home systems; it should go to 3DS.

I'd like to see Retro with a big budget project, but Metroid is not going to be the make or break for any part of Nintendo's current audience, nor is it likely to pull in new people at this point.

The caveat is that this is all moot if Nintendo can establish some sort of radically unique and attractive new selling point for the series. But who can reliably predict such things?
 
You know, we talk a lot about memory and Nintendo and what they may or not be getting right with the Wii U. But let's not forget that three years ago on March 25, 2009 they finally did something right regarding games and memory, namely storage. Yes, the SD card menu update. It was laughable to those on the outside but it was a big deal to us. I made this gif a few years ago which I've posted before to honor that little milestone. ;)

indiana-jones-fridge-neverforget-1.jpg
 

Levyne

Banned
The "find the plot item" segments were terrible though.

Battle gameplay was ok. Maps were too linear. (I'm not in the camp of linear = bad always, but for metroid games it is)
 

HylianTom

Banned
You know, we talk a lot about memory and Nintendo and what they may or not be getting right with the Wii U. But let's not forget that three years ago on March 25, 2009 they finally did something right regarding games and memory, namely storage. Yes, the SD card menu update. It was laughable to those on the outside but it was a big deal to us. I made this gif a few years ago which I've posted before to honor that little milestone. ;)

indiana-jones-fridge-neverforget-1.jpg

Nice. I remember a number of Nintendo podcasts where folks wanted a solution for constantly having to "clean out the fridge." When that simple solution came out, there was such relief and thanks and "what took you so long?", and then the storage issue seldom came-up again. Baby steps, I suppose.. but storage will be back soon..
 

D_prOdigy

Member
I always thought analysts spouting off like that was fundamentally oxymoronic, seeing as they have to make a living by demanding money for their analyses.

It's how I always rationalised Pachter talking bollocks whenever he makes his media appearances. Like... that's not actually him doing analysis, because analysts wouldn't do that for free.

Maybe I'm being optimistic about these people.
 

Thraktor

Member
From ArsTechnica, last June:

Don't know how much relevance it holds here, but it gives you more to discuss.

I always read the Watson comment as to be about the Wii U's CPU using elements of the Power7 architecture, like the eDRAM cache.

As far as the PowerPC A2 is concerned, it was very explicitly designed as a specialist high-bandwidth networking chip and is very unsuitable as the base for a console CPU. It's not impossible that the Wii U CPU will inherit some tech from the A2's cores, but that's about the extent of it.

Furthermore, the reason Nintendo went with a (customised) existing design for the Gamecube is that a suitable chip already existed. That's not the case at the moment, so a custom processor is by far the most likely scenario (especially as the characteristics we do know about the CPU aren't shared with any existing processor).
 

guek

Banned
If stories like this are accurate, Nintendo needs to start showing stuff off. Regardless of the truth, waiting until E3 runs a significant risk of investors being totally driven away.

I mean, yes, a couple of those points are bollocks, but Nintendo cannot allow them to take hold.

Seems to me that the fact that the guy says don't invest until after E3 is a pretty big flag indicating that he doesn't know anything that we don't.
 

BD1

Banned
Plus, 18th allows them to split the launch shipment in two and maintain momentum in to black friday.

Sell out at launch, send another shipment that week, be fully stocked for Black Friday with hype of "the sold out Nintendo system" at their backs.

This makes me sad for no other reason than I typically buy everything off of Amazon, so unless the work out a special shipping arrangement, it's either go to retail (ugh) or wait until it arrives on Tuesday (uuuuuuggghhhh)
 

Reallink

Member
Plus, 18th allows them to split the launch shipment in two and maintain momentum in to black friday.

Sell out at launch, send another shipment that week, be fully stocked for Black Friday with hype of "the sold out Nintendo system" at their backs.

Problem is their goal should be building as large an install base as possible as fast as possible. Anyone can manufacture a Holiday shortage with gadget these days. A couple months of headlines is not going to secure third party support like a 5 or 10 million unit head start might. It also leaves plenty of room for MS/Sony to "Dreamcast" the U with fake dates and bogus promises they have no intention of keeping.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Is it just me or are mods changing thread titles to make these Wii=doomed threads even worse?

This is getting ridiculous. I should probably bail on the board until after E3.
 

antonz

Member
The new thread I posted turned out better than I expected.

Really is an amazing thread and analysis from a guy. The whore of the industry not making anything for Wii U. Thats rich

Is it just me or are mods changing thread titles to make these Wii=doomed threads even worse?

This is getting ridiculous. I should probably bail on the board until after E3.

If I had to guess they are in the process of list developing of people to temp ban around E3 for the good of the people listed.
 

Christine

Member
Fuck analysts who want to tell you about the market they know nothing about

The threat analysis is worst-case, but "don't buy before E3" is incredibly sound advice.

If stories like this are accurate, Nintendo needs to start showing stuff off. Regardless of the truth, waiting until E3 runs a significant risk of investors being totally driven away.

I mean, yes, a couple of those points are bollocks, but Nintendo cannot allow them to take hold.

Nintendo doesn't finance their ongoing operations through speculative investment, and the majority of shares are in long-term hold positions. If anything, a sell-off by the least confident investors would likely be purchased by these controlling interests to consolidate their position and increase their dividend earnings. Nintendo can totally afford to let the media spin itself senseless before E3. It's the narrative they do or do not establish there that's going to count. If it's good enough, it'll vaporize everything that's gone before. If it's not good enough, it's not good enough regardless.
 
This is why making new threads for every damn bit of tangential info we get is a bad idea, guys.

There was no reason why that shouldn't have stayed in here.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Jesus christ, it didn't.

LOL, settle down. I was joking.

I do absolutely abhor that game, though.

I'll also echo another poster's thoughts: I don't get what the fuss is over Starfox. I just couldn't get into Starfox 64. I tried again with the 3DS version and still didn't like it.

Kid Icarus, on the other hand, is amazing.
 

Penguin

Member
Problem is their goal should be building as large an install base as possible as fast as possible. Anyone can manufacture a Holiday shortage with gadget these days. A couple months of headlines is not going to secure third party support like a 5 or 10 million unit head start might. It also leaves plenty of room for MS/Sony to "Dreamcast" the U with fake dates and bogus promises they have no intention of keeping.

Well, I mean that's conventional wisdom, but even outselling your nearest competitor by 40 million units didn't get them great 3rd party support.
 

Thraktor

Member
If stories like this are accurate, Nintendo needs to start showing stuff off. Regardless of the truth, waiting until E3 runs a significant risk of investors being totally driven away.

I mean, yes, a couple of those points are bollocks, but Nintendo cannot allow them to take hold.

I really shouldn't bother with this guy, but:

Wii U GPU is less powerful than Xbox360/PS3 according to developers, which means it has no edge besides the tablet interface to attract core users. Initial third-party titles are likely to be only ports from Xbox360/PS3 titles. A bundled WiiSports/Mario title may help initial sales beat Wii launch, but Wii was severely production-constrained and the surprise factor from Wii U is less.

Wii GPU is less powerful than Xbox/PS2 according to developers, which means it has no edge besides the motion interface to attract core users. Initial third-party titles are likely to be only ports from Xbox/PS2 titles. A bundled WiiSports/Mario title may help initial sales beat Gamecube launch, but Gamecube was severely production-constrained.

iPad with its retina display shows where Apple is taking its 4 screen infrastructure, leaving Wii U less connected and less relevant. The GPU processing power for handsets is reaching consoles such that we think core gamers have no interest in buying into the Wii U. Apple might add in a controller to its line-up to be more attractive to core users. MocoSpace survey shows that 96% of gamers like to play their games at home, and with a better infrastructure we think iOS will be able to deliver a single game experience across four screens that Nintendo cannot.

iPad has four screens now?

Wii U will have 1-year window to gain installed base before PS4 (Orbis) and then Xbox Durango launch in late 2013. At that point, the core gamer that Nintendo is after for the first time will have no interest in Wii U.

PS2 will have 1-year window to gain installed base before Gamecube and then Xbox launch in late 2001. At that point, the core gamer that Sony is after for the first time will have no interest in PS2.

We understand that Activision has no plans to support Wii U, which means the biggest selling title of Call of Duty will be missing; Konami is also planning minimal support.

The idea that Activision wouldn't release a quick port of Black Ops 2 on the Wii U when they basically rebuilt MW3 from scratch for a Wii release is pretty laughable.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
oh why? WHY?

Every little quibbling news story doesn't deserve its own thread.

Hey, at least in that one people aren't talking about the Wii U itself, more about how crazy and stupid it is to think Activision won't support it.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Expectations are being set so low now that as long as it's as powerful as a SNES and has a side-scrolling COD at E3 it will be considered a success.

Unless there is still no Pikmin 3, in which case DOOMED.
 
Glad to come and see a sane thread today.

I'm not sure if it's been stated already (since this thread moves way too fast) but what wsippel has been saying about fixed function units in addition to your standard modern GPU hardware seems to be true here, if a reputable B3D poster is to be believed:



I understand it's probably being done to remain backward compatible with Wii (and GC, through digital download emulation) TEVs but a mistake in my opinion - third parties and middleware makers likely won't give a damn.

That does fall in line with the hypothetical, non-traditional GPU we were coming up with.
 

HylianTom

Banned
Hey, at least in that one people aren't talking about the Wii U itself, more about how crazy and stupid it is to think Activision won't support it.

That's news to me. Not sad news personally, but still, I see the craziness and wonder what is making them so comfortable as to write-off what could be a huge part of the market.

Those who write-off or underestimate Nintendo seem to usually end-up looking foolish.

(hmm.. maybe the 'U' stands for Underestimated?)
 

udivision

Member
Expectations are being set so low now that as long as it's as powerful as a SNES and has a side-scrolling COD at E3 it will be considered a success.

Unless there is still no Pikmin 3, in which case DOOMED.

Any COD at all we be asking for too much if recent rumors are to be believed. wow.
 
My expectations are actually quite high. But I mean that regarding games.

I'm expecting a balls out launch/launch window with a very strong first year overall. Anything less would be f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-ffaaaillll.
 
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