AceBandage
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Y is far from impossible, since it comes down to feature set, not raw power.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Y is far from impossible, since it comes down to feature set, not raw power.
maybe there are two consoles
one is the system that nintendo will be releasing this year
the other is the 3ds revision developers have mistakened for the wii u
abstract alien
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Absolutely.
What I'd want first and foremost is a good hardcover art book of Nintendo franchises, from beginning of their video gaming era to the present. Something that would make for a very hefty coffee table book, something really substantial.
I'd pay a high price for something like that. But I don't think Nintendo realizes how crazy its fans are, or how willing we are to part with our cash for high-end collectibles. Otherwise, they'd be on that gravy train already.
I would almost say they could recoup their entire R&D losses solely off of high priced collectibles such as this. Hell, they would have my pay check, and quite willingly.
Zoramon089
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How would using a completely different engine be cheaper than using the same engine but with reduced performance? Especially when the engine is made to be highly scalable?!
OK, well I read it from this post: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1634671&postcount=857 and the quote came from http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1634440&postcount=833
Seeing as the topic was about the Wii U GPU it was talking about the fact that maybe Nintendo has implemented some fixed function/optimised features as opposed to everything being done with programmable shaders - that's all. I wasn't assuming that the Wii U did those exact things. I know what Flipper is.
JoshuaJSlone
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IF we're in a situation where UE4 doesn't easily work on Wii U, it would probably cause any third parties with decent Wii U success to have second thoughts about bothering to make the shift anytime soon.
jump_button
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so where are we today doomed? I do hope they give us a little hint before E3
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60 days to go
so where are we today doomed? I do hope they give us a little hint before E3
60 days to go
Doom factor 3. We've hit 2 before and if we get to one, god help us all.
Is multitask far fetched for this console?
Has it been discussed? It would be amazing if you were playing Smash Bros Wii U but at the same time, downloading Super Mario Sunshine and Metroid Prime HD from the VC and updating your friend list, records, time trials, achievements and all that stuff
Has it been discussed? It would be amazing if you were playing Smash Bros Wii U but at the same time, downloading Super Mario Sunshine and Metroid Prime HD from the VC and updating your friend list, records, time trials, achievements and all that stuff
EBGames in Metrotown. Gotta find a warm indoor place to sit, and they were pretty good with the Mass Effect 3 midnight launch, so we'll see.
We can't even buy GBA games on the 3DS but you expect GC games on the WiiU?
I'm expecting GBA games on the 3DS soon. I think they don't want GB, GBC, NES, and Game Gear games to get overshadowed too quickly.
As far as GC games, I don't see why not.
1) You'll be able to download full retail Wii U games on the Wii U according to an Iwata investors conference.
2) You can download Xbox 1 games on Xbox 360 so I don't see why GameCube games should be outside of the realm of possibility.
3) We can use external harddrives on the Wii U.
4) No GameCube backwards compatibility.
I think GameCube games as downloads are possible. Or at least sold as HD collections on disk.
i don't know how they're going to do this if they're seriously gonna have 8 gigabytes of built-in flash memory and let that be all.
gamecube games, especially nintendo's, were pretty small, too. a lot were under a gigabyte. several were just a few hundred megabytes.
You won't be able to carry over your Virtual console games from the Wii though will you? Just making people buy the VC games they already have on the WiiU will probably be enough for Nintendo. Why spend time making more rom dumps (of GC games) when they can just sell you the same game for the millionth time?
Nothing has been confirmed about this. You can transfer your DSiware games from your DS to your 3DS. If people can't transfer their downloaded games from Wii to Wii U then a lot of people are going to be pissed.
JoshuaJSlone
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The same way PSP, X360 Core/Arcade, and Vita do.
But I think we're used to being pissed at Nintendo by now. 3DS from $250-$100 in less than a year? Terrible VC service? Refusal to release games in NA? Terrible online play?
I love Nintendo and primarily buy their products as I prefer to play games on PC instead of Sony or Microsoft's consoles, but Nintendo has been slacking the past couple of years and needs to get with the times to keep up with the market.
(Hence why I don't expect GC games on the VC anytime soon after the WiiU's release, and don't expect them to allow you to carry over your Wii VC games. I just don't expect much out of Nintendo at all anymore)
AceBandage
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None of this applies to the 3DS...
I don't think supporting any SD card or external hard-drive is 'letting that be all'.
3DS's online is a big improvement in Nintendo's online.
But Nintendo still has some work to do. I think the Wii U's online service will surprise people by how good it will be.
Even on my days when I'm most cynical about Nintendo, I still think Wii U's online service will be leaps and bounds over anything Nintendo has ever done that is online related.
The 3DS's online service surprised me by how shitty it is.
AceBandage
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In what way, exactly?
Friend codes. Chatting via slow and clumsy apps. Slow release rate for content. Prices for virtual console. Weird browsing method. No universal play with the Wii.
Nothing weird about the browsing, Nintendo can't release what doesn't exist, and there simply are no multiplayer titles on Wii and 3DS, so the universal play thing makes no sense whatsoever.
They could release as many VC games as they wanted and make bundles out of them. No instead we get one NES game a week if we are lucky and oh how obscure and rare those releases are. Fuck man I've never played Legend of Zelda and Super Mario. What a deal for 5 euros a piece.
If you only own the 3DS, that's fine I guess, but when I have multiple consoles and an Ipad, the rate of release means I barely touch the device.
Neon_Icarus
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Hasn't GC on Wii U already been confirmed
Gamers will get the last-gen games via the company's existing WiiWare service, Nintendo of America exec Amber McCollom told NintendoGal.
"GameCube discs will not be compatible with Wii U, but a number of the games that were playable on GameCube can be downloaded from WiiWare," McCollom said.
Gamers will get the last-gen games via the company's existing WiiWare service, Nintendo of America exec Amber McCollom told NintendoGal.
"GameCube discs will not be compatible with Wii U, but a number of the games that were playable on GameCube can be downloaded from WiiWare," McCollom said.
I agree that the prices for NES games are fucking laughable.
But I don't agree about the overall game variety on 3DS's eshop being weak.
The variety of games on the eshop are pretty damn good. Mutant Mudds, Pushmo, Samurai Sakurai, Mighty Switch Force, Cave Story, Dillon's Rolling Western, Game Boy/Game Gear games.
I'll take many of these over the stuff you play on your Ipad.
You're assuming that because not all e-shop games appeal to you, that the games on the eshop don't appeal to everyone else. That's plain wrong.
I'll give you that. I think Nintendo's choice, rate and price of VC games are all appalling. They have some 30 years to draw from and look at what they give us and expect us to pay.
A lot of the titles appeal to me and I own them. But my point was that the usability and the amount of content is not sufficient. I realise that PSN, XBLA and the Wii VC had exactly the same problems in the beginning, but Nintendo should've learned from them, not repeat the same pattern.
If Nintendo releases their entire library of games all at once, the service loses steam.
And tons of niche games will get overshadowed by the Mario's and Zeldas, and will receive horrible sales because of it.
With the Wii, Nintendo normally released big Virtual console games whenever there were long droughts in quality retail software.
There are points between "once a week" and "everything at once".
DXB-KNIGHT
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Have they announced COD yet?
fabricated backlash
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You could ask otherwise: Which device with a screen do you expect COD to not release?
After seeing how some applications, once being optimized for the Wii U CPU, have a dramatical increase of their performances (many hundreds percent more), i tried to search what in the CPU is so different than its current gen counterparts to explain this. Then appear my scenario where maybe, its OoO nature is the problem, as normally, this architecture is supposed to speed the execution of a code by changing the order of the sequence here and there, and perhaps, in the case that interests us, the heavily customized processor involved had a problem (at a certain time in its designing, with certain applications, with a certain software to use it, with certain type of code), and this traditional OoO initiative to modify the order of the sequence is, in this scenario, counterproductive and slow the process. But clearly, IBM & Nintendo must have found such a deficiency if it existed quickly and correct it before implementing such CPU on their dev kit. Anyway, thanks for the precisions
Correct me if i'm wrong, but to generalize/make this more accessible, AltiVec and VMX are like extended versions of MMX or SSE, an additional "package" of instructions set, of features, on a CPU. But do you really think that there are such differences between the instructions set of the Wii U CPU and the Xenon that it could explain the phenomenal increase of performances of some middleware after being optimized ? What is the probability that the same manufacturer, IBM, changed or added to or modified the VMX128 instruction set of the Xenon, already more adapted to gaming purposes, to an extent that the Wii U CPU see such poor performances for some middleware, and require a lot of optimizations ?
I don't think Nintendo can pump out Virtual Console titles the way everybody seems to think they can. Virtual Console games seem to strive for accuracy, and must undergo rigorous testing before being released. Nintendo's a big company--big enough to keep a few VC games on the back burner, but not so big that they'd have the majority of the GB/GBC library ready and waiting by this point, especially with the rate at which they've been releasing boxed games.
In fact, I would guess that the Ambassador games are a good look at what a "beta" Virtual Console release looks like. Consider the release time between Super Mario Bros to the ambassadors and it's finalized version to the eShop as an indicator of at least some of the time that might be required to finish up these games.
By trickling out VC releases one by one, Nintendo ensures that each game, however obscure, gets a modicum of attention. They can't afford to release them en masse and allow the bulk of them to be ignored; the cost of labor has to be recouped.
In fact, I would guess that the Ambassador games are a good look at what a "beta" Virtual Console release looks like. Consider the release time between Super Mario Bros to the ambassadors and it's finalized version to the eShop as an indicator of at least some of the time that might be required to finish up these games.
By trickling out VC releases one by one, Nintendo ensures that each game, however obscure, gets a modicum of attention. They can't afford to release them en masse and allow the bulk of them to be ignored; the cost of labor has to be recouped.
Apparently, LucasArts could develop for Wii U
Don't know if it was said before
It could be related to their licensing of the Unreal Engine 3
Their "open world RPG" project
Or their Action Adventure game, First Person Shooter, or Aerial Combat game projects
Don't forget their job announcement for "a new way of connected online gaming that is going to revolutionize the industry."
So, Battlefront 3 with an extended online service (aka LucasArts battlenet) for Wii U ?
Source: mapyourshow
Edit: it's interesting because Rebellion is also listed (Category: Action & Shooter), and it's rumored they have pursued the development of Battlefront 3 after the difficulties of Free Radical Design and their acquisition by Crytek and Pandemic closing in 2009.
Don't know if it was said before
It could be related to their licensing of the Unreal Engine 3
Their "open world RPG" project
Or their Action Adventure game, First Person Shooter, or Aerial Combat game projects
Don't forget their job announcement for "a new way of connected online gaming that is going to revolutionize the industry."
So, Battlefront 3 with an extended online service (aka LucasArts battlenet) for Wii U ?
Source: mapyourshow
Edit: it's interesting because Rebellion is also listed (Category: Action & Shooter), and it's rumored they have pursued the development of Battlefront 3 after the difficulties of Free Radical Design and their acquisition by Crytek and Pandemic closing in 2009.
Dreamwriter
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Once the emulator is created (a one time cost for all VC games for that game console), the "cost of labor" is ripping the Rom off of a cartridge, digitizing the instruction manual, creating the "banner" art, and uploading it. A few hour's work, most of that editing the manual.
AceBandage
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I have no faith in Lucasarts to make any game that I woiluld want to buy.
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Rösti
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Yeah, I just got back from work and saw this. Deep Silver Inc. has also been added (to almost every category). Most interesting regarding LucasArts is that it's listed under "MMO - Nintendo Wii U". Star Wars: The Old Republic, m'kay? I know it's BioWare, but still.
Now I wanna know what we'll see at PAX East. Any news from there yet?
AceBandage
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Except that is not how any of the consoles download BC works. There isn't a catch all emulator because it would be messuy and have many problems.
Every game has to have its own version of the emulator created specifically for it.
It's no where near as simple as people think.
Yes they could stand to release more games At once, but they can't just plop them all down at once. It's simply impossible.
A real offline KOTOR 3 could be ijzseliejr huge !
A X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter modern revival could be iroizjuireu huge ! (i CRAVE for spatial combat titles, they are lacking since a few years)
A good Battlefront 3 could be cool
AceBandage
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None are actually from LucasArts. I'd be thrilled if BioWare or some other good dev made a good game under the StarWars banner.
Rösti;36704356 said:
It could be a Old Republic console port with a sort of cross-play between PC and home system (therefore their teasing about "revolutionary online" thingy).
Or it could be the online mode of Battlefront 3, that may be listed as MMO.
Seriously, LucasArts, do a good job ! Regain your noble letters !
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