http://www.techtalkz.com/windows-7/...isable-automatic-updates-windows-7-guide.htmlMisterAnderson said:
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Windows 7 is a piece of shit
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Problem found, solution posted.
wmat said:I like how this guy appears out of nowhere:
It's crazy!
Nah, you can see his arms in front of the dude on his phone in the original gif, you can't see it after you put that huge red box in the gif.
edit: Actually you can still see his arms before the red box appears
On Windows XP there's a dialog box that will pop up every 10 minutes or so, asking you to restart now.DeathNote said:
On Windows 7 there's a dialog box that will pop up, asking you to restart now, and that lets you choose when the message pops up again (10 minutes, 1 hour, etc).
First of all, this behavior was introduced three years ago in Vista. It is nothing new for Windows 7.
Secondly, Microsoft has already covered the issue at length here: http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2008/10/02/windows-update-and-automatic-reboots.aspx
Windows Update automatically restarts computers at the default setting for a reason. Maybe some of you are too young (or too naive/blind to history) to remember the Blaster worm, but it happened because people didn't patch their shit.
When non-tech-savvy people don't install security updates, they make the entire ecosystem unsecure.
When updates are installed without a reboot, it can create all sorts of instability, and the computer remains just as insecure as it was before the update was installed.
Microsoft obviously has data to show that, if you don't automatically reboot someone's computer eventually, most will just postpone and postpone and postpone, never finishing the installation, never stopping their computers from potentially sending out malware once infected by a worm
You guys think it's just some sort of poor, overlooked design choice with an easy solution? Hardly. It's a deliberate decision, done for deliberate reasons, to help keep something like the XP Blaster worm debacle from ever happening again.
Oh, and if it wasn't for this behavior, Conficker would have been far more severe than it ended up being.
And no, there is never any time where Windows will instantly reboot your computer without any sort of warning. Well, unless you're on a corporate network and your system administrator set some dickish policies :lol
Secondly, Microsoft has already covered the issue at length here: http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2008/10/02/windows-update-and-automatic-reboots.aspx
Windows Update automatically restarts computers at the default setting for a reason. Maybe some of you are too young (or too naive/blind to history) to remember the Blaster worm, but it happened because people didn't patch their shit.
When non-tech-savvy people don't install security updates, they make the entire ecosystem unsecure.
When updates are installed without a reboot, it can create all sorts of instability, and the computer remains just as insecure as it was before the update was installed.
Microsoft obviously has data to show that, if you don't automatically reboot someone's computer eventually, most will just postpone and postpone and postpone, never finishing the installation, never stopping their computers from potentially sending out malware once infected by a worm
You guys think it's just some sort of poor, overlooked design choice with an easy solution? Hardly. It's a deliberate decision, done for deliberate reasons, to help keep something like the XP Blaster worm debacle from ever happening again.
Oh, and if it wasn't for this behavior, Conficker would have been far more severe than it ended up being.
And no, there is never any time where Windows will instantly reboot your computer without any sort of warning. Well, unless you're on a corporate network and your system administrator set some dickish policies :lol
skybaby said:
That is the screen I thought the OP was referring to when he said cancel caused a shut down.. I knew it came up, but I couldn't remember if the 'stop shutdown' button was cancel or not.. thanks for clarifying that as that is always the screen that comes up for me with unsaved work open - whether it be a restarting update, or regular restart
optimiss said:
That happened from time to time on certain popups in XP too (I never used vista), it depends on the popup, and i'm fairly sure automatic updates weren't one of them - which (again, i'm fairly sure) is also the case for windows 7
As a side note to this, if you have your taskbar on a secondary monitor, the reboot prompt window thing appears over there instead of on your primary monitor, so it doesn't get hidden by full-screen apps. (At least in Vista. I haven't seen the popup in 7 yet.)
I'm gonna guess that the issue here is exclusive control of the video device, blocking the reboot notification.
Starting with Windows 7, MS is trying to fix that problem. Should be part of new certification requirements I guess? I'm not quite clear on that part, but the basic info about it in relation to compatibility manifests is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371711(VS.85).aspx
That's assuming this Flash app actually took exclusive control. If its full-screen mode is just the same kind of thing as hitting F11 in a web browser, then I dunno why the OP wouldn't have seen the shutdown pop-up. (Unless the reboot pop-up isn't set to be always on top? Surely not...?) EDIT: Well I'll be damned, it's not always-on-top. So, if you were working full screen (with the taskbar not visible) and it popped up and right that second you clicked on the window you were working on, you could probably hide it so fast you don't notice.
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On the topic of program behavior itself:
Some apps, such as MS Office programs, when they receive a shutdown signal, will save your work and reopen automatically once rebooted. But they still give you a "save or don't save?" message like the OP experienced, which can be confusing due to the time limit, as the OP also experienced. It's a compromise to deal with both shutdown-aware and non-shutdown-aware apps in situations where the user is present when not present, and to not delay shutdown too long.
The question is, should apps even prompt you to save when it gets a shutdown signal, or would it be better to just auto-save and restart with no prompt at all, to avoid mistaken button presses? That's the sort of thing that really needs an option setting on the app so the user can set as desired. (If this Flash dev program isn't even shutdown-aware at all, then it just sucks.)
I'm gonna guess that the issue here is exclusive control of the video device, blocking the reboot notification.
Starting with Windows 7, MS is trying to fix that problem. Should be part of new certification requirements I guess? I'm not quite clear on that part, but the basic info about it in relation to compatibility manifests is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371711(VS.85).aspx
That's assuming this Flash app actually took exclusive control. If its full-screen mode is just the same kind of thing as hitting F11 in a web browser, then I dunno why the OP wouldn't have seen the shutdown pop-up. (Unless the reboot pop-up isn't set to be always on top? Surely not...?) EDIT: Well I'll be damned, it's not always-on-top. So, if you were working full screen (with the taskbar not visible) and it popped up and right that second you clicked on the window you were working on, you could probably hide it so fast you don't notice.
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On the topic of program behavior itself:
Some apps, such as MS Office programs, when they receive a shutdown signal, will save your work and reopen automatically once rebooted. But they still give you a "save or don't save?" message like the OP experienced, which can be confusing due to the time limit, as the OP also experienced. It's a compromise to deal with both shutdown-aware and non-shutdown-aware apps in situations where the user is present when not present, and to not delay shutdown too long.
The question is, should apps even prompt you to save when it gets a shutdown signal, or would it be better to just auto-save and restart with no prompt at all, to avoid mistaken button presses? That's the sort of thing that really needs an option setting on the app so the user can set as desired. (If this Flash dev program isn't even shutdown-aware at all, then it just sucks.)
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