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[Haunted]

Can't we just cut and paste the replies to the "360 nxe advert" thread in here, and then just switch the replies from pro-sony and pro-360 posters?

:lol true.

Just make sure to keep my posts intact, I'm an equal opportunity hater.

 

[TTP]

The bottom part of that comparison video is edited so to make it look like the no-ad loading is faster. You can easily see it @0:08.

Here is another video showing how much it does actually takes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLTkF1IFuo&feature=related

 

[kamorra]

Like hell they are (I actually play the game). A second longer, at most.
They never come up for short loading screens either, by the way (like restarting a race).

So this is a fake then?

 

[CreatureX3]

Real world ads do not belong in Wipeout's cohesive, future setting, unless as a parody of the form X company might take in that fictional future world.

QFT! These adds totally destroy the atmosphere of the game. This is sad and disgusting.

 

[Kai Dracon]

What's the big deal about ads being games? Does it really affect your experience that much?

It depends on the product placement and usage. It's relative. In some in-game settings real-world ads are not out of place and are not shoved in your face. In others, it seems a little forced and overly commercialized for a product you've already paid a large chunk of money for.

Which I think, is what may offend many people subconsciously: this isn't like broadcast television where you watch for free and accept ad breaks. It's a bit more like buying a DVD of a movie and having increasing amounts of obnoxious start-up ads on the disc, or worse: imagine buying a DVD and having ad breaks during the movie? People are annoyed at the prospect of commercialism gone mad, because advertisers see video games as a plump, unpicked field ripe for exploitation.

 

[donkey show]

I like statefarm.

Like a good neighbor...

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

The first ad I got was for The Fury expansion and I thought that was a good idea b/c maybe some owners dont know about it. But when the State Farm one came up I raised an eyebrow.

I wish there was some quick survey of my interests I could take so at least I can get ads for things I care about.

 

[TTP]

So this is a fake then?

Read my post above yours

 

[Mahadev]

Fuck you Sony. I don't want this shit in my game.

 

[John_B]

Sony either wants to kill the Wipeout franchise by actively working against it, or this is some alternative publishing experiment.

I really hope this gets the worst negative attention possible. It's bullshit to lay that kind of money down and then be forced to watch fucking commercials.

If there ever was a cause for video game journalists to fight, then this should be the one.

 

[topofuji]

you know I was thinking about buying fury, but I dont know anymore. I expect ads in a free game, but if I pay money for a game, ads need to stay out.

If this is your determining factor, you deep down don't even want to buy it, and Wipeout isn't your type of game.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

The bottom part of that comparison video is edited so to make it look like the no-ad loading is faster. You can easily see it @0:08.

Here is another video showing how much it does actually takes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLTkF1IFuo&feature=related

Right yeah, I see that now. In the comparison video it skips to gameplay before even loading the rest of the progression bar. Shitty move on that youtube uploaders part to create more controversy.

 

[gofreak]

The bottom part of that comparison video is edited so to make it look like the no-ad loading is faster. You can easily see it @0:08.

Here is another video showing how much it does actually takes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLTkF1IFuo&feature=related

That's pretty shady of them.

If it doesn't affect load time I'm not SO bothered. Still prefer not to have them, but better than seeing completely out of place ads on the tracks themselves.

 

[Blast Processing]

I can't believe how complacent some of you are, willing to just bend over and take it for these fucking vandals. You come into my house and try to paste a billboard on my wall and you can expect trouble. Why should we accept this incredible affront to our personal space?

Or have years of Pepsi and Hot Pocket commercials really turned your brains and spines to mush?

 

[kamorra]

Read my post above yours

Yeah, I just read it. We posted at the same time.
So it isn't much longer, that's ok I guess. Would have preferred without the ads but as long the loading is not much longer I can

Spoiler

have to

live with it.

 

[John_B]

And what happens if I put a SSD in my PS3? Will the commercial cut short because the level is loaded 3 seconds faster?

 

[topofuji]

So this is a fake then?

Dammit, I knew something was off about the loading times when the ads came up.
This is fucking inexcusable. Why did they have to put these intrusive ads in such a "perfection" game like Wipeout HD?
Go pollute something like Fat Princess.

 

[Haunted]

The bottom part of that comparison video is edited so to make it look like the no-ad loading is faster. You can easily see it @0:08.

Here is another video showing how much it does actually takes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLTkF1IFuo&feature=related

So taking both of these vids, it's roughly 15 seconds with ad.

Now we need an (unedited) vid showing the loading without the ad and then I'll decide whether I'll continue bitching about in-game ads in a game I paid for leading to an increase in load times, or whether I'll continue bitching about in-game ads in a game I paid for leading to no increase in load times.

Or I could check for myself in-game, but I'm too lazy to get up and plug the PS3 in.

edit: alright, I fired it up to check and the load times from the video (with ad) are pretty much identical to the ones on my PS3 (without ad). Tried two times, took 14 and 17 seconds, respectively.

I can see that the load could be shorter if the bar has filled up completely but the ad hasn't finished playing.

 

[LiK]

And what happens if I put a SSD in my PS3? Will the commercial cut short because the level is loaded 3 seconds faster?

no, Sony will add a patch that will make the loading screen 10 sec longer for SSD PS3s. ;P

 

[elohel]

Wait so how does gaf feel in general regarding the whole in-game advertising?

Outta curiosity

 

[OokieSpookie]

As long as they keep supporting the game they can put all the billboards or ads that they want.

 

[Zeliard]

I wish they'd keep the in-game ads to games that are actually free to play, like Quake Live, and are solely reliant on the ads themselves to make their profit.

 

[woodypop]

It depends on the product placement and usage. It's relative. In some in-game settings real-world ads are not out of place and are not shoved in your face. In others, it seems a little forced and overly commercialized for a product you've already paid a large chunk of money for.

Which I think, is what may offend many people subconsciously: this isn't like broadcast television where you watch for free and accept ad breaks. It's a bit more like buying a DVD of a movie and having increasing amounts of obnoxious start-up ads on the disc, or worse: imagine buying a DVD and having ad breaks during the movie? People are annoyed at the prospect of commercialism gone mad, because advertisers see video games as a plump, unpicked field ripe for exploitation.

You, sir, are a voice of reason. Kudos.

 

[kamorra]

As long as they keep supporting the game they can put all the billboards or ads that they want.

But the game isn't free to begin with. We've already paid for it and we also have to pay for future content. Doesn't sound right to me.

 

[taoofjord]

I've seen the state farm ad 3 times in the past few days and it absolutely annoys me. The loading times are even longer because it doesn't go to the race until the ad is finished. I wouldn't mind ads in certain games but Wipeout is a game of such artistic integrity that it REALLY seems out of place to me. Plus, adding it in AFTER I bought it is a really lame move.

 

[corn_fest]

Would be okay with it if they were only for online racing, as they have to keep the servers up. But adding ads to a single-player game that I already paid for after the fact? Not cool.

And if they really do increase to loading times, that's total BS. Don't know if that video is real though.

 

[CreatureX3]

Wait so how does gaf feel in general regarding the whole in-game advertising?

Outta curiosity

If a game is free, then great. If I'm paying money for the game, not so great.

 

[Leatherface]

This is pretty annoying. >:|

 

[neojubei]

I've seen the state farm ad 3 times in the past few days and it absolutely annoys me. The loading times are even longer because it doesn't go to the race until the ad is finished. I wouldn't mind ads in certain games but Wipeout is a game of such artistic integrity that it REALLY seems out of place to me. Plus, adding it in AFTER I bought it is a really lame move.

I have to agree. The load times does seem longer now than it was before.

 

[LiK]

If a game is free, then great. If I'm paying money for the game, not so great.

well, at lleast it's nowhere near as obnoxious as the ads in the NFS games.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Now I totally can't enjoy the game.

.

 

[Zeliard]

I have to agree. The load times does seem longer now than it was before.

That's because, as a couple of others have noted, the loading time is artifically lengthened in order to allow the ad to play in full.

 

[chubigans]

TTP is right- the Youtube comparison is a fake.

Check out this Giantbomb quick look:

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-wipeout-hd-fury/17-1087/

Skip to 1:50. It takes exactly 13 seconds to load a level without an ad.

 

[No_Style]

So who here has seen an ad in their game? I haven't yet. I'm curious as to what Canadians get to see.

 

[-PXG-]

FUCK. THIS. SHIT.

When ads lower the cost/ make things free, then I won't complain. But doing it for the sake of showing off crap, that people will either ignore or won't give two shits about, is so asinine and just a waste.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Lengthening the load time because of an ad is not cool unless the game was free.

 

[Felix Lighter]

So who here has seen an ad in their game? I haven't yet. I'm curious as to what Canadians get to see.

I've seen the State Farm ad and an ad for the FURY expansion. I'm from the US by the way.

 

[BeeDog]

Well, pretty annoying place to do the advertising, but if it doesn't hinder the load times too much, I won't lose any sleep over it. There's more pressing matters to worry about, though I'd prefer in-billboard ads instead.

 

[gofreak]

TTP is right- the Youtube comparison is a fake.

Check out this Giantbomb quick look:

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-wipeout-hd-fury/17-1087/

Skip to 1:50. It takes exactly 13 seconds to load a level without an ad.

Just tried myself, and a single race on the same track (metropia) took ~13s to load.

Whoever did that youtube comparison is a baaaad troll :lol

Thankfully still no ads here.

 

[TTP]

Well, pretty annoying place to do the advertising, but if it doesn't hinder the load times too much, I won't lose any sleep over it. There's more pressing matters to worry about, though I'd prefer in-billboard ads instead.

I'm not sure I prefer to stare at same loading screen every fucking time as compared to one that changes via advert. I mean, I've read those Wipeout hints a lot already! :lol

 

[Haunted]

So who here has seen an ad in their game? I haven't yet. I'm curious as to what Canadians get to see.

I haven't.

PAL is safe from the ad attack so far?

 

[PoweredBySoy]

you know I was thinking about buying fury, but I dont know anymore. I expect ads in a free game, but if I pay money for a game, ads need to stay out.

I'm with ya. I abhor advertising - commercials, billboards, etc... It's why I rarely watch tv or go out to the movies. If I pay money for a product I expect it to be free of advertising. And every time they try to make their way into my beloved hobby of gaming I bust out my boycott stick. For serious, I was just about to pick up Fury because I keep hearing how fun it is - but now that's out. Perhaps I'll check out Shatter instead.

 

[Version 3.0]

My friend made that youtube video. Let me clarify (as I believe he does in his comment as well). That video is him re-loading the same track again, which is much faster than loading a new track--or at least, it is unless the ad decides to play.

He contends that a normal track loading is also a little longer if the ad plays.

 

[Prezhulio]

screw whoever posted that fake loading screen comparison. i saw this after i did the patch when fury hit (still haven't bought it yet, where's my damn tv amazon!?) and it was a video for fury. shocking at first, but anything to keep liverpool producing my wipeout.

 

[Nakazato]

Yea i saw a state farm ad last night and my GF was like WTF

 

[Zeliard]

I'm not sure I prefer to stare at same loading screen every fucking time as compared to one that changes via advert. I mean, I've read those Wipeout hints a lot already! :lol

The ads are jarring, though. That State Farm ad? It's some attempt at edgy, urban hipness, but it's of a modern-day mentality that doesn't work at all with Wipeout HD's futuristic and stark aesthetic and style.

 

[Warm Machine]

I really don't care about the ads so much, just that is blatant and ugly. Wipeout deserves to have ads that reflect the tech and the setting.

Hell, an Blackberry or Nokia ad makes sense in there to a certain degree especially if they were stylised to reflect the game world. StateFarm is not futuristic and not sexy.

Give me a Sennheiser ad and that would make more sense.

 

[Malio]

Sad to see this. Golden age of gaming indeed.

 

[edbrat]

So who here has seen an ad in their game? I haven't yet. I'm curious as to what Canadians get to see.

UK-er here, I've not seen one yet, played a few hours on each of saturday and sunday this weekend. Will keep an eye out. Sounds like its US only then?

The ads during online play only idea mooted earlier in the thread sounds like a good one. Gamers are v clear on what we feel is fair / unfair, while I am not crazy about ads for single player offline play when I have paid for the title I can well understand the need for server infrastructure / admins perhaps for online play. Alternatively another idea might be to warn gamers that a title might have ads in it before its sold - saying something like "ok guys we can't fund this one from sales alone so we are going to be running ads in it every now and again" and then summarising how they will be implemented. Then at least they are upfront about it and purchasers can make an informed decision.

 

[Shurs]

This sucks. I didn't mind the billboard ads in Burnout Paradise because they seem like they could be part of the game world. Loading screen ads, on the other hand, are out of place and, judging by that video, delay the start of the game. Bad deal.