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[Chamber]

I hope Dark Tower doesn't hurt Idris' leading man potential going forward. He hasn't been getting a lot of visible face time recently. Even with Ragnarok, you can tell he's in it for like 30 seconds.

I'm extremely worried about this actually. Thankfully, The Mountain Between Us looks pretty damn good.

 

[Prompto]

When Thor Ragnorok does 800 million worldwide and everyone suddenly loves Thor finally, Paramount will re-announce that Hemsworth/Chris Pine Star Trek movie and fast track it

 

[MHWilliams]

Yeah, it's like ACIV: Black Flag

But not boring.

How dare you!

 

[OrangeAtlas]

I just Googled Star Trek 4 to see what's up and all the hits are just interviewers constantly asking Zachary Quinto about it and him going "Look I don't know anything either, stop asking".

 

[Stage On]

I was going to mention this too. Ultron, Iron Man 3 and Civil War all made 80-85% of their money in the first 17 days and these movies are going to get more frontloaded, not less. I don't see a problem with a Star Wars movie coming a month after big MCU stuff.

Yeah sure they might be mostly front loaded buy why risk cutting your legs off? Even if "only" costs you 20% of what it could have made that's still a hell of a lot of money to lose out on, especially when you factor in how expensive these movies are to make in the first place.

Not to mention they risk fatiguing the audience. Imagine they hadn't moved back the last Jedi, it would have been coming out the same month as Guardian's 2 and then you'd have 2 big space action movies in the same month. Some people might get their fill with the first movie and skip the second one because it's too soon for them to be hungry for more.

 

[Toa TAK]

How dare you!

Cry moar

 

[igordennis]

I think that Your Name passed it recently. In Yen if not in USD.

Yasss, deserved.

 

[Chamber]

Yeah sure they might be mostly front loaded buy why risk cutting your legs off? Even if "only" costs you 20% of what it could have made that's still a hell of a lot of money to lose out on, especially when you factor in how expensive these movies are to make in the first place.

Not to mention they risk fatiguing the audience. Imagine they hadn't moved back the last Jedi, it would have been coming out the same month as Guardian's 2 and then you'd have 2 big space action movies in the same month. Some people might get their fill with the first movie and skip the second one because it's too soon for them to be hungry for more.

I think you're overestimating the risk and also underestimating the demo overlap between Frozen and Star Wars for that matter. They're both family movies and Rey is positioned like a Disney Princess herself. I wouldn't call that counter programming.

We know the summer box office can support multiple big blockbusters. I don't see any reason to think Guardians 2 and Episode 8 couldn't coexist in the market.

 

[Jigorath]

Yeah, it's like ACIV: Black Flag


But not boring.

You could have just said Assassin's Creed in general.

 

[Cvie]

Yeah sure they might be mostly front loaded buy why risk cutting your legs off? Even if "only" costs you 20% of what it could have made that's still a hell of a lot of money to lose out on, especially when you factor in how expensive these movies are to make in the first place.

It's not going to cost them 20%, people don't just completely stop seeing one film when the next one comes out.

 

[lightskintwin]

Idris is 45. I don't know if he's going to get much more popular than he is now.

This.

They've squandered Idris's prime years.

 

[CassSept]

The worst in the MCU is Aaron Taylor-Johnson (but his character is dead now) followed by Evangeline Lilly in Ant-Man.

Huh, that's two major film franchises in which Evangeline Lilly plays the worst character.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Huh, that's two major film franchises in which Evangeline Lilly plays the worst character.

I had to think of what other franchise she starred in. That's how big of an impact her character in The Hobbit films made on me.

 

[Pachimari]

I really kinda want to see Valerian in the cinema. It looks so good based on the trailers, and I know it's not supposed to be, but at least it looks like a visual treat.

 

[Chamber]

I really kinda want to see Valerian in the cinema. It looks so good based on the trailers, and I know it's not supposed to be, but at least it looks like a visual treat.

Please donate to the Valerian Charitable Fund, thank you.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I really kinda want to see Valerian in the cinema. It looks so good based on the trailers, and I know it's not supposed to be, but at least it looks like a visual treat.

Same here. My wife is a sucker for big, bright, silly sci-fi epics as well. Perhaps a weekend matinee is in order.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

My girlfriend saw Valerian with friends and hated it seemingly as much as she hated Phantom Menace, a movie she refuses to even say the name of, so I think I'll pass.

 

[Stage On]

I think you're overestimating the risk and also underestimating the demo overlap between Frozen and Star Wars for that matter. They're both family movies and Rey is positioned like a Disney Princess herself. I wouldn't call that counter programming.

We know the summer box office can support multiple big blockbusters. I don't see any reason to think Guardians 2 and Episode 8 couldn't coexist in the market.

About that....

Star wars The force awakens opening weekend

Men made up the bulk of ticket buyers, comprising 58% of the opening weekend audience, and despite the franchise having been bought out by the kid-orientated Disney, adults represented 71% of the crowd with families only accounting for 20% of consumers.

Frozen Opening weekend

Kids between the ages of 2 and 11 made up the largest percentage of the audience (38 percent), while families overall made up 81 percent. The movie skewed female, although males made up a healthy 43 percent of ticket buyers, according to Disney.

As for Guardians and Star wars they could co-exist but being in the same genre they would cannibalize sales off each other if they where both released together in the same month making less money overall then if you released them further apart from each other.

 

[MHWilliams]

You could have just said Assassin's Creed in general.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Do not see Valerian unless you really feel great visuals can overcome Razzie worthy performances and an atrocious script.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Do not see Valerian unless you really feel great visuals can overcome Razzie worthy performances and an atrocious script.

I saw BvS in theaters, and that had all of the above except great visuals.

 

[Jon Carter]

Saying "great visuals" is all Valerian has going for it is the definition of reductive. It makes it sound like the filmmakers just poured three cups of money into a large bowl of CGI and the film came out.

 

[Slayven]

This.

They've squandered Idris's prime years.

Yeah, Idris always seem more popular on the internet then he was IRL. But then again it always came off as he was the only black actor people knew. MBJ kinda of taken that over now

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Yeah, Idris always seem more popular on the internet then he was IRL. But then again it always came off because he was only black actor people knew. MBJ kinda of taken that over now

I know some people that still drool over Idris, and a few that will see a film just to get wet over MBJ.

 

[Beren the Empty-Handed]

Do not see Valerian unless you really feel great visuals can overcome Razzie worthy performances and an atrocious script.

That will be a hard pass then. Great visuals do almost nothing for me.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Shade grown coffee makes sense though.

Shade grown coffee insinuates that they plantation retained some mixed-canopy forest, allowing for more plant and animal diversity to be retained on land that was once tropical forest. The non-shade grown kind was grown in a monoculture on clear-cut land.

I understand that. I read the bit on the site, which is what I was responding to. I was imagining the perspective of someone whose job it is to sell cups of coffee at a coffee shop getting asked if the coffee was grown in the shade or not. Of all the questions to be asked at random, that strikes me as one that might seem strange at first blush. Thus my post.

 

[lightskintwin]

Yeah, Idris always seem more popular on the internet then he was IRL. But then again it always came off as he was the only black actor people knew. MBJ kinda of taken that over now

Well i absolutely think Idirs could've been built into a box office draw in the vein of Denzel. He just was never really given a shot to be that. And now it's like they're just randomly putting him in things with no rhyme or reason.

 

[Lima]

I wake up and there is 6 new pages. Box office Gaf is crazy.

 

[Chamber]

About that....

Star wars The force awakens opening weekend


Frozen Opening weekend

Opening weekend...

Disney's own demo numbers for Force Awakens had the audience as 42% families.

As for Guardians and Star wars they could co-exist but being in the same genre they would cannibalize sales off each other if they where both released together in the same month making less money overall then if you released them further apart from each other.

Generally speaking, people watch what they want to watch regardless of competition. I can't imagine too many people skipping Episode 8 or Guardians 2 with the rational that both are space action movies.

 

[Busty]

Please donate to the Valerian Charitable Fund, thank you.

It's true. You can claim the cost of your Valerian tickets as tax write offs.

 

[WaffleTaco]

You know who is excited for Frozen 2? This girl!

It's like AC4 Black Flag movie you didn't know you wanted. Amazing movie.

Holy fuck I am in!

 

[LordOfLore]

John Wick Universe

 

[Lima]

John Wick Universe

Now this is a cinematic universe I can get behind.

 

[berzeli]

What is up with the budget numbers for Valerian? Mojo now says $177.2 million.
Like is that another really weird currency conversion (150 million €?)? Did they take some tax rebates into account? Is this a follow on from that weird Forbes contributor article which said that "documents he had seen" shown that the budget was $180 million?

The lowest I've seen the budget being reported in French media is "above 180 million €" (though I haven't exactly scoured through all of the French media). Then again, Screendaily is going with 180 million $, and they are pretty good.

Dammit, it is much easier to find this stuff when productions are forced to disclose their budget in order to get tax rebates/other subsidies.

But that script. Come on man someone had to have some common sense in this deal. Lucy was 40m lol. This film was 200m. You never go 200m unless you are damn sure of what you are doing.

I don't know if they showed investors the script. And a script isn't always that indicative of whether or not a film is good or successful.
fake edit: Found the answer

How did the distributors come on board?

What I did was very simple. Two years ago, I went to Cannes and asked all the distributors from around the world to come in for a presentation. Dane and Cara joined me on stage and I showed something like 60 or 70 drawings, explaining the details of the different aliens and the concept for the film.

Then they went into a room and had two hours to read the script and make a proposal if they were interested. We got the immediate backing of some 140 distributors and locked down financing in one day.

Why do you think independent distributors were so hungry for this production?

Unless you’re Disney and Warner Bros, most distributors just watch these big films passing by. But for nearly 30 years, I’ve been bringing films like Leon [aka The Professional], Nikita and Lucy to the market, and this in turn has created good relations with the distributors who like the fact that once in a while they have access to something of this calibre.

 

[BronsonLee]

The rampant stupidity of last night has left me emotionally scarred and depleted of all energies

 

[Lima]

Like expected then. Besson used all his credit he had in Hollywood to make this movie and now it bombed he won't get anywhere near that anytime soon.

 

[Krev]

Have we had examples of the inverse of that happening?

Like was Speed Racer despised when it came out, but now is considered a cinematic masterpiece?

I wasn't here when Speed Racer dropped but I get the sense that the film's cheering section (of which I'm kinda/sorta a member) was a somewhat late thing.

The cult of Speed Racer was being built from day one.
http://sergioleoneifr.blogspot.com/2008/05/days-of-speed-racer.html

I remember threads on GAF and movie forums full of praise for it, despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews.

 

[Messofanego]

Huh, that's two major film franchises in which Evangeline Lilly plays the worst character.

strafer somewhere is seething.

I've never seen that dude without an Evangeline Lilly avatar XD

 

[BronsonLee]

(and then there's Bronson and TRON: Legacy, which is like Ralph Wiggum and his bent Wookiee)

It's a really cool movie and has an awesome soundtrack Bobby goddamnit don't fight me on this

 

[berzeli]

Like expected then. Besson used all his credit he had in Cannes to make this movie and now it bombed he won't get anywhere near that anytime soon.

To be more accurate.

And yeah this will have fucked Europacorp for the foreseeable future. Much in the same vein of how Lionsgate got fucked with Gods of Egypt.

 

[Schlorgan]

Written by Max Landis, Damon Lindelof, and Ernest Cline

If the BO Gaf movie isn't directed by Alan Taylor, then it ain't happening.

 

[kswiston]

$7.38M for Dunkirk and $870k for Wonder Woman on Tuesday. It's crazy that we're still getting early Wonder Woman dailies. Wonder Woman is down 27% from last Tuesday.

Tuesday bumps seem to be more muted this week, but maybe that will lead to better Wednesday holds. Dunkirk was ahead of both War for the Planet of the Apes and Star Trek Beyond on its first Tuesday.

 

[Random Human]

I was close to tears watching some of his scenes.

The man found his niche.

Hemsworth has always had a great knack for comedy. It's a shame his comedic movies do about as well as his dramatic ones. Ragnarok making 4 billion notwithstanding.

 

[Toa TAK]

The rampant stupidity of last night has left me emotionally scarred and depleted of all energies

And I thought it was just me

 

[Penguin]

What happened last night?

 

[Gentleman Jack]

What happened last night?

The GAF equivalent of 8-player Mario Kart.

 

[Cooter]

$7.38M for Dunkirk and $870k for Wonder Woman on Tuesday. It's crazy that we're still getting early Wonder Woman dailies. Wonder Woman is down 27% from last Tuesday.

Tuesday bumps seem to be more muted this week, but maybe that will lead to better Wednesday holds. Dunkirk was ahead of both War for the Planet of the Apes and Star Trek Beyond on its first Tuesday.

WW hitting 400m after this weekend?

 

[Schlorgan]

What happened last night?

I read the last five pages this morning and I still have no idea.

 

[Penguin]

I read the last five pages this morning and I still have no idea.

I tried to scan, but just saw something about vegan coffee and was like... ok I'm good

 

[Chamber]

WW hitting 400m after this weekend?

2-3 weeks. Probably around $395m after this weekend.