Going to be funny seeing the reactions of those same execs if Captain Marvel takes off.
'Well, the market just wasn't there two years ago."
No, it was. You just made a shitty movie and or sent it out to die.
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Wonder Woman and the Mystery of the Missing Marketing.
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'Well, the market just wasn't there two years ago."
No, it was. You just made a shitty movie and or sent it out to die.
BreezyLimbo
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I dont think thats how marketing works
bananafactory
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Chezzymann
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Its probably gonna have a marketing push in a couple weeks, i wouldn't worry
Inferno313
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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Probably lol, I would've loved MM and GL.
WW has more charm in her pinky then Cap in his whole body. And that comes from someone who likes Cap.
They trailers also already showed great hommages towards Superman 78 wich is great also and gives the movie charm.
I don't get. How is Harley's story any different from Kill Bill or Rapunzel from Tangled(in this case Mother Gothel takes Joker's place)
Ha no. Cap stands for the ideals America should stand for. I have no clue what WW stands for and Gal Gadot is nowhere near Chris Evans in terms of being endearing.
Bobby Roberts
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OP updated with more comparisons from later in the thread.
excelsiorlef
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Did you see Kill Bill Volume 2.... the affection was fucked up but it wasn't one way.
And you know there's a difference between a story about a journey of revenge in the name of killing your abuser and a story about never ever ever really leaving your abuser who has and will never love you but god we hoe you do someday because you're so endearing that way.
That's just delusional. It's not even a fair comparison between Evans and Gadot.
Zen_Arcade
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That person was obviously talking about the marketing push in America, where Guardians hasn't been released yet. That's why he's saying that WB is waiting until Guardians releases for them to start their WW marketing push. WB, or anyone else for that matter, isn't going to design their marketing strategy in America based off the release dates for when a movie comes out in a foreign country.
So the Captain America character has more charm then Wonder Woman character?
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I assume they don't want to ruin the twist about his identity and he's only in the costume for one or two scenes.
Sibersk Esto
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Inferno313
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In Cinema? sure. That's not to shit on Gadot either. I honestly like her in the part. But Evans' Cap is just toooo good.
He's talking about the character as a whole
I'm in the minority because I feel like I've seen enough marketing. I knew it was coming soon but wasn't sure of the exact date. The Dr Pepper cans are nice - if you buy a 12 pack you get reminded 12 times.
But the marketing for GOTG has been off the charts. And it doesn't help that Wonder Woman is the latest in a line of movies that's basically sucked. It looks like it could be interesting to me, but the fact that it's attached to all that other DC garbage makes me want to see it less.
But the marketing for GOTG has been off the charts. And it doesn't help that Wonder Woman is the latest in a line of movies that's basically sucked. It looks like it could be interesting to me, but the fact that it's attached to all that other DC garbage makes me want to see it less.
But Harley does leave him in the end, in multiple comics, and gets in a slightly less abusive relationship with Poison Ivy. Her abuse/obssession is as much a part of her origin story as Iron Man's alcholism. How she overcomes it is where DC should be getting our interest.
flaxknuckles
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Hell nah. That wasn't even true before Chris Evans. Wonder Woman has less charm than a dead turtle.
I assumed you were referring to the actors, but yes, it's the same answer just talking about the characters.
That said, I wouldn't use the word "charm" to describe either character on paper.
Type offcourse. 78
Cap is great. And Winter Soldier is very high on my list of favorite comic book movies. But i dont think he is really that charming.
Exactumondo.
Well she does exist and she's very popular especially among women and girls so...
BreezyLimbo
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What in the ever loving fuck. I love me a good orgy, but dc writers thought this would be a good page to put into their comic? "Haha she fucked all the cosplayers just to make sure!"
Easily. Captain America as a character has an ideal. However twisted they may be in the current comicverse.
Wonder Woman in the meanwhile is always simply an auxiliary character to either Superman or Batman now a days.
starchild excalibur
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The former explanation doesn't make any sense. If you have a bad movie you want to build hype so that at the very least you can have an explosive weekend before the poor WoM sinks the boat. They've already spent what they have on their film. Not advertising it because they don't think it's a good film wouldn't be a sensible play.
The latter may be the case, but it'd still be an awful play. Maybe ramp up the advertising after Guardians passes, but don't wait until it passes to even start.
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excelsiorlef
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Exactumondo.
Well she does exist and she's very popular especially among women and girls so...
Compelling arguments here.
WW has no ideal? Wut?
Zen_Arcade
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Leagues more charm.
Captain America is pretty much the moral center of the Marvel Universe. WW is great, but even a lot of people who like her can usually admit that she's kind of bland. There are even running jokes about it.
Third comic down is basically Wonder Woman in a nutshell.
Yes, he does. What does wonder woman stand for? Who are the sidr characters that form her permanent ensemble?
Steve has the hellboys, sharon carter, maria hill, bucky,falcon, the red skull, hydra , and Baron Zemo.
Wonder Woman doesn't even have a permanent side kick.
I think he definitely does.
You put a well written Captain America against a well written Wonder Woman, I'm probably going to still be drawn more to Cap.
Idk bobby your brute force marketing idea is just too risky. Sounds like something out of EA marketing (hello Titanfall). Just because it's the "traditional" way to market a comic book movie? Maybe if Warner Bros had that Disney money they could do that.
Who are these "multiple characters" in this this movie cause I only see two (I've been on a media black out so shoot me if there's more) and random soldiers don't count.
Both characters are nothing more than archetypes.
BreezyLimbo
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Does helping out batman and superman count as an ideal? Because thats like, the only major things shes a part of now a days. Like Martian Manhunter or Cyborg, shes a boring character will little autonomy compared to the moneymakers.
As a GL fan (not the movie the character), Johns is probably fan number 1... and he's definitely going to push for GL I feel.
I already said why she's such a popular character, if you don't like it, too bad, the people have spoken.
Bobby Roberts
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Seems like SOP to me.
Original post is updated with relevant comparisons.
Hera
Steve Trevor
Etta Candy
ANY of the villains (including Ares)
What is Wonder Woman's archetype.
You should read up about WW first. Because otherwise this is pointless.
God.
It's starting to get to the point where I feel like every time I pick up a modern comic book involving Harley Quinn these days, I'm almost always guaranteed to walk away feeling incredibly uneasy about the way she's being characterized. It definitely feels like, over the last few years, DC have really developed this deep-rooted obsession with sexualizing Harley as a character much as possible. forcing her into increasingly skimpy, revealing outfits in comparison to her original harlequin costume, in addition to emphasizing her increasing portrayal a lot of the time as some kind of restless nymphomaniac.
I don't read enough DC comics to know if that's been a general trend with a lot of DC's female characters over the last few years (I know Starfire underwent a similarly horrendous, hyper-sexualised reimagining for New 52) but it strikes me as strange that in many ways, DC seems to be going backwards and not forwards in regards to how progressively it's treating certain members of its female cast.
excelsiorlef
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I already said why she's such a popular character, if you don't like it, too bad, the people have spoken.
Twilight was also popular...
Hey Bobby, there are WW TV Spots... just not on the WB Youtube page... which is puzzling.
To be fair her character was almost always sexualized since her inception.
Iron Man had no sidekick till the second movie, villains noone remembers and comics noone reads.
I mean I read her newest book with tye weird zeus baby. It was entertaining but nothing to write home about. T he ending was absolutely rage enducing though.
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