Sub has the problem of Shadowstrike teleporting you around, and since you use it a lot, often it will dump you into the middle of something you don't want to be standing in. You also have the positional requirement of Backstab, which was taken out of Feral but remains a definite thing with Subtlety. And Sub also requires you to pool resources, which has less of the flavor of "I'm winding up for an alpha strike," and more "I'm watching paint dry."
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Sub has the problem of Shadowstrike teleporting you around, and since you use it a lot, often it will dump you into the middle of something you don't want to be standing in. You also have the positional requirement of Backstab, which was taken out of Feral but remains a definite thing with Subtlety. And Sub also requires you to pool resources, which has less of the flavor of "I'm winding up for an alpha strike," and more "I'm watching paint dry."
Spoilers from the new audio files from the PTR 
http://www.wowhead.com/news=260114/patch-7-2-voice-over-spoilers-xalatath-aluneth-anduin-and-more
http://www.wowhead.com/news=260114/patch-7-2-voice-over-spoilers-xalatath-aluneth-anduin-and-more
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Spoilers from the new audio files from the PTR
http://www.wowhead.com/news=260114/patch-7-2-voice-over-spoilers-xalatath-aluneth-anduin-and-more
Anything major?
-There was a structure/citadel where the Tomb of Sargeras was long before any of the mortal races were there. Old God related, something about a fight between Y'Shaarj and N'Zoth, and N'Zoth actually lost that battle.
-The Knaifu/Xal'atath considers Elune to be an enemy (and upstart)
-There still is a gaping wound for Azeroth below the Tomb (I believe).
-"Soon all will be drenched in its (Azeroth's) lifeblood."
-"Arthas may have sought revenge on the citadel, but I have... other plans." (Bolvar saying this)
-Greymane is pissed Anduin came to the front lines
-Anduin wants to lead from the front lines
-Xal'atath mentions that the circle will be complete soon, echoing both Il'gynoth and the Echo of Medivh
-The Knaifu/Xal'atath considers Elune to be an enemy (and upstart)
-There still is a gaping wound for Azeroth below the Tomb (I believe).
-"Soon all will be drenched in its (Azeroth's) lifeblood."
-"Arthas may have sought revenge on the citadel, but I have... other plans." (Bolvar saying this)
-Greymane is pissed Anduin came to the front lines
-Anduin wants to lead from the front lines
-Xal'atath mentions that the circle will be complete soon, echoing both Il'gynoth and the Echo of Medivh
Not a voice line, but the boss description for Kil'jaeden mentions how the fight will alter Azeroth's destiny forever, so...I get the feeling we may see something happen that we don't expect.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It'd be a good time for a hard reboot of the game.
A reboot is honestly a very dangerous gamble. You run the risk of splitting your fanbase and killing both the successful game and the new one.
What happened to Everquest is a perfect example, though the original is still around, at least.
Anyway, I don't expect anything like that or a sequel or anything, WoW will be as it is and keep going. Just expect the story to go places.
What happened to Everquest is a perfect example, though the original is still around, at least.
Anyway, I don't expect anything like that or a sequel or anything, WoW will be as it is and keep going. Just expect the story to go places.
I mean the sequel is still around as well.
I doubt they'd ever do a 'sequel' or reboot but if they did, I'm positive they'd maintain both the original and the new release.
True, and also still receiving expansions, no less (just like the original). Still, I don't think it'd be a wise idea, yeah Everquest managed to survive but it stumbled hard, and allowed a certain upstart named World of Warcraft (which launched right around the time EQ2 did) to take its place.
Seems a bit too big a gamble to me, in all honesty.
Huh. Wow. I feel like I play quite a bit on these two toons, but I basically do all the emissaries on them, and only really do any M+/LFR on the main. I absolutely do not make 60k a week on their gold quests though, wtf. I make maybe 10k from the main's gold quests (including bonuses). They're just not up that often. I see one every two days. The second character's gold quests are only worth like 150g right now.
How are you getting 60k from those?!
I notice mostly the same. How often do you sell a batch, and how many do you sell? (Prolonged Power)
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Argus will just be Firelands, just skinned green.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Tomb must be built over a Black Empire temple. Maybe one of the ones Knaifu talks about that dwarf Titanic and mortal constructions
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
What hint?
I'm also guessing it's going to be essentially the size of tanaan jungle if that.
HarryDemeanor
Member
They need to bring their A-game when it comes to crafting Argus. People have been waiting to see that for a long, long time.
fireatwill
Member
I take back what I said about Outlaw in my previous post. While Roll the Bones can be annoying as hell in a raid sense, I just did some world quests and stuff just melted in groups. Blade Flurry, Cannon Barrage, Adrenaline Rush all at the same time is just fun. It really does bring back some memories of a combat rogue in vanilla.
I did a raid last night as assassin, and it just felt a bit boring.
Warlock skull says "This place is so like Argus. Twisted, shattered, and broken. Ah, almost makes me homesick."
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
People weren't lying about the last boss of Court on Tyrannical. Dude brought us down to 1 chest
Not entirely surprised that it would be like that, to be honest, though a part of me had held out hope that maybe the eredar would have kept it in a more pristine state as a sort of monument or something to their greatness. But who knows.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I don't know what the difference is between my gold missions and yours, but I generally have between 0-2 gold missions up per character per day, with more days at 2 than 0. Per char I almost always make 20k minimum per week, I think I average 10 gold missions per week? I have two toons that have all 850 followers (meaning ~900g with 1500g bonus) and can guarantee 200% every gold mission. The extra 5-6k comes from doing the 150-500g gold missions on my shittier alts.
My main problem is that I prefer Outlaw for PvE stuff and general play (I would be doing more M+ than raiding) but I also really enjoy rogue PvP and would want to play my rogue as my PvP alt, and from all that I hear Outlaw is in a really bad state right now in PvP. Though I guess this is technically fine since you only need 34 points in an artifact to PvP since paragon traits don't work, and ilvl mostly comes from gear so having a lower ilvl artifact wouldn't be THAT bad for PvP.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Finally got my Hunter to 110 and received a legendary within 4 hours. Nice.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
EverythingShiny
Member
You guys have any recommendations on getting into mythic progression guilds (not anything major, like 3/10) without mythic experience? Just focus on parsing well in heroic and knowing fights? My friend and I are shopping around for new guilds as our current one is falling apart and it's looking like our best bet is finding a heroic guild that's transitioning into mythic. He parses better than I do, but I'm typically 80th+ percentile for my ilvl.
There sadly aren't too many heroic raids posted on OpenRaid - has anyone had any success pugging them through LFG?
There sadly aren't too many heroic raids posted on OpenRaid - has anyone had any success pugging them through LFG?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
usually item level is the most important thing. if you've cleared most of heroic you're probably a shoe in in most guilds at that level.
my guild is on heroic guldan about to do mythics, so maybe we're a good fit for you:
http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/ner-zhul/Turbo+Cyborg+Ninjas
Question for you guys. During normal progression we prioritized tier to dps to get their 4 pc, majority of the dps now have 4 pc and we're starting heroic, but one of our tanks didn't get much gear from normal due to a very crowded tier he's on. Should we prioritize dps getting their heroic sets or make sure heals/tanks gets some pieces since they didn't get much tier from normal?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
well i loaded up when it was like 20 or 30k and got like a year's worth. but now that its 80k... i can make that in like a week and a half or something just by selling stuff on the AH. if i went harder i can make like 10k a day.
just depends on what your professions are and what you can find to make money from.
you should probably just get everyone their 4 pc before thinking about upgrades.
Are your tanks dying, or feeling demoralised because they feel the system doesn't give them much personal reward?
Tanking gear's a rather hard thing to judge; there's a metric that is 'enough', and there's not a *huge* amount to gain through gearing beyond that (although, to be fair, Tank DPS isn't quite as insignificant as it used to be, and that could potentially be a clincher when you're brushing the enrage timer); plus tank deaths aren't *necessarily* the fault of tank gear, it could be healers not having enough throughput or even DPS taking unnecessary damage and in turn distracting healers.
Certainly, at the bleeding edge gearing DPS always comes first, because there's no point where the usefulness of gear to a DPSer stops at 'enough'. However, to get psychological for a moment, at the Normal level of progression, I'd be tempted to argue that that philosophy wouldn't work - when you're pushing server firsts, people have an extra layer of motivation that would make them more receptive to personal sacrifice in the short term for guild victory in the long term. At a slower progression rate, I think you run the risk of the players who don't get rewarded feeling undervalued.
FWIW, there's two other points I ought to make from a personal perspective:
In the *very* specific example of protection paladins, the two-set is great, but the four-set isn't much good unless you have the legendary helm; I don't know if similar situations exist for other tanks.
And in my role as both MT and RL, I'm generally comfortable with passing on gear anyway if there's a net benefit to others in the raid; it sets an example, but it's a decision I'm making in my own right; I frequently say "I'm needing, but I'll pass in favour of anyone else", independent of our underlying loot distribution system. That might ultimately be key, here: Ask your tanks how they feel, whether they feel like they have 'enough', whether they feel squishy (and you might want to co-ordinate that discussion with the healers), and whether they're comfortable with what they're getting.
If *nothing* else, one thing I would suggest in such a discussion is to establish if there are any specific slots they feel are badly lagging behind; while I feel like I have 'enough' in general, I do have a few 865s knocking around that would make a big difference if I could replace them, and they'd be comparatively cheap to replace (because I'd get a noticeable improvement from just a basic Heroic - or even in some cases Normal - upgrade for them, whereas other people who'd be competing with me for that slot might only really see a small improvement in the event that a War- or Titan-forged item drops.
cartographer
Member
I make new ones two to three times a week, with whatever bloods I get from doing emissaries on my alchemist. With Bloodhunter, herbing while I go and world quests, that's around 500 potions a week, more if the price is high enough. I supplement that with some flasks and other potions, but not a lot as the margins aren't as good.
I could do more, but I don't like having a big inventory.
It's a running joke in my guild (and I'm sure many others) that Vault keys always rot, unused. It's the new Oculus, easily.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
I miss oculus. Can't wait till it's back in timewalking
Our 15 this week was Vault. Wasn't bad at all with these affixes. We actually almost two chested it, but I took it slow in the spider room.
Now any high level Vault with either Fortified or Necrotic (because of the second boss) is the worst shit ever. Tyrannical on the first boss when he's in tank mode is awful too.
Now any high level Vault with either Fortified or Necrotic (because of the second boss) is the worst shit ever. Tyrannical on the first boss when he's in tank mode is awful too.
Vaults easy as shit though.
This is our THIRD week in a row where our +15 stone was HoV in my M+ 5 man group. We don't have a ton of time to play, so generally we just do whatever +15 we get instead of spending the time to take one of our other +11 stones to +15 (side note, I really wish if you did a 15 the previous week it would start you with a 12 instead of an 11, would generally eliminate an extra run for us per week depending on luck). This week wasn't as bad as the past two weeks, but like everything else there are fun unexpected doom moments in HoV with every affix combo at +15...
Also I think I officially found the longest grind in WoW. Before, I thought it was Hydraxian Waterlords on a new toon, but after playing my loremaster toon I saw that even new characters unlock the "Black Prince" reputation, starting at 2800/3000 neutral despite all the content being removed. Well, almost all of the content...
You can get 500 rep per week for killing one of the August Celestial world bosses on the timeless isle. That means that, on a new character, if you really wanted to max this rep (for no gain whatsoever), it would take you 81 weeks of doing august celestials. Over one and a half years of doing a world boss weekly. I guess slightly less if you are human or accounting for the darkmoon faire, but still an ungodly total amount of time. Can't think of anything else ingame that would take that long to "max out" from start to finish.
Professor Lich
Member
Such insolence... such arrogance... it must be punished!
Yea, but it's an annoying instance is all.
Depends on the affixes, since mini bosses count as trash, anything Fortified + something that makes trash worse (raging is particularly notable) can combo to be quite hard on Glayviana or the two mini bosses before bosses 3 and 4. Glayviana was hitting me for 60% of my HP per hit last week on a +14 when raging kicked in. Necrotic is also really bad in there, depending on luck, since for some stupid reason the imps apply necrotic (before the fat lady after the first boss), and if the 2nd boss summons a large pack of adds after his 2nd teleport there's no easy way for some tanks to reset necrotic for the final 30% of the fight. The only other issue we've had with Vault is that the trash before the last boss loves to bug out, we've had one of those stationary humanoid mobs that knocks you back just teleport away and aggro another trash pack several times.
Overall though, VotW is a solid mid tier M+ dungeon. It's no Maw or DHT, but it is certainly no HoV or BRH either. Similar to Arcway in my mind, not too bad on its own, but certain affix combos don't play well in there because of some of the pull sizes/mechanics.
Immortal Technique
Member
What is the darkest timeline for WoW and WoW 2? Even if you split the current WoW userbase and add nobody new, those are still two healthy populations.
EQ and EQ2, I'm not deep into those games, but they've survived longer than just about any other MMORPGs, so, it can't have been that bad. And I'm pretty sure WoW would've stomped EQ regardless of whether EQ2 existed.
I agree that WoW 2 won't happen, but just more because of expense vs. upside. There's a fantasy MMORPG market that has reached maturation at this point, and I'm sure Blizzard figures they have a big enough piece of it already, and the massive, massive undertaking that would be WoW2 represents somewhat of a limited upside. It would have to be a genre-busting game to expand the market enough to make it a worthwhile gamble.
As someone who doesn't run high end mythics, I'm confused. All you guys say "your group's +15 for the week." But doesn't each member of the group have a keystone? Can't you just run up another stone to +15? Or is that not worth the time? Or is there something I completely don't know about keystones at that level?
In your order hall there's a chest, at the start of each week it gives a random piece of loot based on your highest cleared keystone. It doesn't need to be your keystone.
Right now the best possible reward is an ilvl 900 item, which you get by clearing a +15 keystone (these drop 885 normally, the box is +15 item levels higher than the level of keystone you cleared).
My group used to grind mythic+ relentlessly but we don't give a shit anymore and just do the bare minimum to get our 900 item for the week. We did it in 3 dungeons last night, although we did an extra for alts/friends to get their dungeon chest weekly reward.
At what point do you guys sacrifice ilvl upgrades for secondary stats? I main a blood DK and keep getting thrown high ilvl items with no +haste which is not ideal.
For example, I have an 860 ilvl ring with crit/haste which I'm currently using over an 890 ilvl ring with crit/versatility. Should I be using the ilvl 890 ring because it's such a massive ilvl upgrade?
I keep having to make these decisions on various pieces of gear and my haste is now hovering at a lowly 23-24%.
For example, I have an 860 ilvl ring with crit/haste which I'm currently using over an 890 ilvl ring with crit/versatility. Should I be using the ilvl 890 ring because it's such a massive ilvl upgrade?
I keep having to make these decisions on various pieces of gear and my haste is now hovering at a lowly 23-24%.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
You really need to install pawn and set up the stat weights in it, and change them around if/when you reach breakpoints.
There isn't a simple answer to this question.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
Sim your character. It's a pretty easy process.
Yeah, I get that, and I get not wanting to grind, absolutely. But it just seems like there's options for pushing up another keystone that would be better than just not running it at all, which is the impression I get from some posts here. Though I'm sure slogging through a crappy +15 and just getting it done is still less time consuming than grinding up a lower keystone and hoping for a different dungeon.
Unrelated edit: NA token prices seem to be stabilizing in the 80-85k range.