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[Funky Papa]

Yeah, messing that would be pretty bad. One of the best things about GAF's X-COM Ironman Challenge is the little stories about your beloved soldiers getting ripped to pieces by alien nasties.

X-COM's awesomeness owed no small part to the fact that it made you care about your troopers, only to have them killed in the most nonchalant way. Opening a door was a hair pulling adventure by itself.

 

[charlequin]

I think we can forget about 12-people squads. IMO, based on nothing, there will be 8 people limit max that makes 4 people + 1 tank available.

That's for sure.

 

[Rentahamster]

Not bad, I like what they did with the Cyberdiscs. Really cool.

The sectoids look alright, I think I would have liked the head and eyes to be bigger. Perhaps have the psi-capable sectoids have larger heads maybe?

I dunno about the mutons. If they wanted a hulking soldier type enemy, they probably should have just created a new one, or made it a separate class of muton. I prefer the sleek, fit design of the old school mutons. I think my complaint is that the new mutons just look a little too brutish or hulkish for my tastes.

Thin men - eh, neat concept I guess, but I'm not feeling them at the moment. I get the concept of the "aliens among us", but to just have them appear in a mission would be strange, unless they kinda pop out from the civilian population in disguise or something.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I love the Muton design. It just reeks of "I will screw you up".

 

[turk128]

Yeah, the overall design and use of colors is fantastic. They understand their KISS principle well.

 

[I should be doing hw]

I want to see those Cyberdisks in motion, it kind of stinks of Bayformers a little too much for my liking. Also those Aeon Flux comments are pretty concerning given how shit that film is, but I don't honestly see any influence of it in the current art design though which is relieving.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

I want to see those Cyberdisks in motion, it kind of stinks of Bayformers a little too much for my liking. Also those Aeon Flux comments are pretty concerning given how shit that film is, but I don't honestly see any influence of it in the current art design though which is relieving.

I thought they meant the cartoon

 

[I should be doing hw]

Edit:
You know what, I'm talking shit I think. Don't know why I thought he said 'film', because that is nowhere in the article. So scrap that comment, the Bayformer one still stands though.

 

[ruttyboy]

The devs have specifically and repeatedly stated that the challenge and perma-death in the original game are cornerstones of their design approach.

Can someone explain to me how they will keep the impact of losing 15 of a 16 man team with a four man team limit?

It seems the opposite approach to the original, if anything you needed (to lose) more men at the start of the game than the end and so could send out smaller teams as time went on.

If they've kept it the same, and the survivability increases as you go through the game that means the more you don't need them, the greater squad numbers you have access to.

Unless they just swamp you with enemies or make the enemies rock hard as you go on?



NB: This isn't me denigrating the game or the design team, I am genuinely interested in how they have affected (if at all) the balance of the game with these changes. I expect I will buy this game.

 

[Sullen]

There isn't a 4 man squad limit. How does misinformation like this keep cropping up on every page? Just read the op.

 

[ruttyboy]

There isn't a 4 man squad limit. How does misinformation like this keep cropping up on every page? Just read the op.

Erm, wut? You start the game with a 4 man squad limit.

 

[peakish]

They could increase difficulty as the game progresses up to a certain point so that you're expected to lose one or none of your squad in the beginning but more later on. Maybe they'll not balance it correctly (impossible to say), but for good or bad they certainly will not follow the same type of balancing the original had. I'm very interested in seeing how they'll solve it.

There isn't a 4 man squad limit. How does misinformation like this keep cropping up on every page? Just read the op.

I don't think he's saying that, though it's said in a weird way.

 

[Noisepurge]

i hope they have a new version of the Chryssalid, still have nightmares about getting my entire squad wiped out by a single one of those :E

 

[robin2]

Can someone explain to me how they will keep the impact of losing 15 of a 16 man team with a four man team limit?

I can't say if this game will be good or bad; what I think I can say is this game won't be the that sequel (it isn't after all) the fans (I mean people who still plays the originals every year) were waiting for. Because I'm one of them and I believe this design, on paper, won't satisfy my hunger for a"new x-com", that I have since Apocalypse.



Edit:

EDGE interview with Julian Gollop about this game and turn based games:
http://www.edge-online.com/features/julian-gollop-xcom


..please, someone rich, let him make the turn-based game he has in mind, pleaseeee!

 

[Minsc]

Today's update: Sid Meier Talks XCOM: Enemy Unknown

And a few new shots I haven't seen, only thumbnails from the video though.

Nice to see the LB/RB target selecting, that should work well. I think we've just about exhausted this location, hopefully there's a game video or trailer at the end of these GI exclusive features.

 

[Funky Papa]

UNF

 

[Neuromancer]

EDGE interview with Julian Gollop about this game and turn based games:
http://www.edge-online.com/features/julian-gollop-xcom


..please, someone rich, let him make the turn-based game he has in mind, pleaseeee!

With Gollop currently working on an unannounced game that's "part of a major Ubisoft franchise" at its Sofia studio,

Huh I wonder what this is... Hopefully its turn based. I could see a Rainbow 6 TBS, or another Ghost Recon. I can't really see it being a Splinter Cell game.

 

[Corto]

Huh I wonder what this is... Hopefully its turn based. I could see a Rainbow 6 TBS, or another Ghost Recon. I can't really see it being a Splinter Cell game.

An Assassin's Creed full blown strategy game perhaps?

 

[Neuromancer]

An Assassin's Creed full blown strategy game perhaps?

Hmmm.... You may be right, that is the series they've been pushing hardest on.

 

[Sinatar]

An Assassin's Creed full blown strategy game perhaps?

Nah it'll be Tom Clancy. Most likely a sequel to his Ghost Recon strategy game.

 

[Neuromancer]

Nah it'll be Tom Clancy. Most likely a sequel to his Ghost Recon strategy game.

Yeah that's the safe bet especially after this topic Julian made on GameFAQs (and yes it really was him, I confirmed through Ubisoft's Twitter account):

What would you like to see for GRSW 2 ?

Julian_Gollop (tc)
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Hi everyone. I am interested to hear your opinions on what you would like to see improved or added for a sequel to GRSW - if we ever get the chance to make it. Try to prioritize your suggestions - what are the 2 or 3 most important things for you? (of course we would like to do everything, but time and resources would be limited).

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997780-tom-clancys-ghost-recon-shadow-wars/58861975

 

[Emitan]

In fact, I'd say Pokemon is very similar in many ways to X-COM when you think about it - you recruit your squads, you have lots of choice over where you go and what you fight, though the story is ultimately linear. And it has a strategic meta-game to it as well as a tactical one. It's an involving and complex game. Pokemon is not a small-selling game, though at its core its a turn-based system. That's enough to say that turn-based does not mean some geeky niche for spotty RPG nerds.

Heh heh heh... next time someone says Pokémon is shallow...

 

[robin2]

Yeah that's the safe bet especially after this topic Julian made on GameFAQs (and yes it really was him, I confirmed through Ubisoft's Twitter account):


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997780-tom-clancys-ghost-recon-shadow-wars/58861975

Make sure it comes out on pc. I'll buy it.


... or at least on Nintendo DS (and not only 3DS)!

 

[Emitan]

Make sure it comes out on pc. I'll buy it.


... or at least on Nintendo DS (and not only 3DS)!

Who's making DS games in 2012?

 

[Slime]

I still can't believe this is happening. I'm loving it more every time I see it.

 

[r1chard]

I can't say if this game will be good or bad; what I think I can say is this game won't be the that sequel (it isn't after all) the fans (I mean people who still plays the originals every year) were waiting for.

I'm a fan. I've played all the XCOM games there are, including the ones that weren't official XCOM licences (or at least all the ones I've become aware of - about 5 games by now). I re-played UFO Defence last year. It was awesome, nostalgic, clunky, challenging and frustrating when compared to modern games. You do not speak for me.

 

[robin2]

I'm a fan. I've played all the XCOM games there are, including the ones that weren't official XCOM licences (or at least all the ones I've become aware of - about 5 games by now). I re-played UFO Defence last year. It was awesome, nostalgic, clunky, challenging and frustrating when compared to modern games. You do not speak for me.

But you just admitted you don't play it every year, just once last year!
Jokes aside, of course I'm fine about fans thinking differently from me, after all I'm one of the few who likes Apocalypse too.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Must not buy. Day one.

 

[Funky Papa]

Must not buy. Day one.

That's a weird picture now that I think of it, considering that X-Com won't feature crounching. Maybe you can crouch but only to take cover?

 

[Neuromancer]

That's a weird picture now that I think of it, considering that X-Com won't feature crounching. Maybe you can crouch but only to take cover?

Yeah I think they just mean when you can't take a knee at any time. Taking cover is probably automatic when you're up against a wall or whatever. If I had to guess.

 

[Orgun]

Seeing as i've been enjoying X-com UFO Defense massively I thought I would try Apocalypse..wow it's it's just horrible. Back to UD for my X-com fix until this arrives.

 

[archnemesis]

Seeing as i've been enjoying X-com UFO Defense massively I thought I would try Apocalypse..wow it's it's just horrible. Back to UD for my X-com fix until this arrives.

I think it's a masterpiece on par with Enemy Unknown and Terror from the Deep. What didn't you like about it? Did you play it in real-time or turns?

 

[epmode]

I think it's a masterpiece on par with Enemy Unknown and Terror from the Deep. What didn't you like about it? Did you play it in real-time or turns?

I hope you don't suggest that he play with turns. I still have nightmares from when I tried that back in the day.

I remember it being a decent to good game with interesting ideas but it's certainly not on par with the originals.

 

[archnemesis]

I always play it in real-time, but I know other fans who prefer the old turn-based system.

 

[robin2]

Apocalypse stats are just not balanced for turn based play.

In real time units take a lot of hits, so these can't be as deadly as they need to be for turn based play (like they were in UFO:EU); and that's how they're balanced in Apocalypse.

I played it almost only turn based last year and things just never get messy or tense.

Tension tough is still low in realtime too (also no night mission!), and that is, together with its incompleteness, what I think is the major problem of Apocalypse (which I still consider a masterpiece, and the only game ever that keeps and tries to expand the design principles of UFO).

(And I love its graphic style and setting).

 

[Orgun]

I think it's a masterpiece on par with Enemy Unknown and Terror from the Deep. What didn't you like about it? Did you play it in real-time or turns?

Everything! The look, the colours, the gui, the setting. I was playing in real-time but i've deleted it now.

 

[NoirVisage]

i watched a lets (re)play of enemy unknown to try to understand the love for this series, it was harrowing, i actually found myself getting attached to certain named characters and almost shed MAN TEARS when they passed on and could see how fulfilling a plan going right was..got up to the first base defense section and afterwards found it a bit redundant and lost interest..but overall, i fully understand the disdain for the FPS idea, and can't wait for this game to drop!

 

[Neuromancer]

Dissecting A Classic: How To Modernize X-COM - Video interview with lead designer Jake Solomon

Recreating and updating a classic game isn't easy, especially when the original is your favorite game of all time. The lead designer of XCOM: Enemy Unknown is Jake Solomon. It's his job to pick apart the original game and update the key ingredient for a 2012 audience. X-COM fanboys will no doubt object to any and all changes from the original formula, but Solomon is quick to stress his own allegiance to the 1994 PC title. There's a reason behind every change, Firaxis Games understands what makes a strategy game enjoyable and, as Jake Solomon puts it, they're "as hardcore as it gets."

 

[Orgun]

Dissecting A Classic: How To Modernize X-COM - Video interview with lead designer Jake Solomon

Great interview!

 

[Yozetty]

Hey guys,
I hope you enjoy the latest interview I just posted with the game's lead designer. He seems like a great guy and I hope the information in that interview wins over the skeptics.

 

[krakov]

I really don't like the artstyle judging from the screens. I feel the same about the alien redesigns, can't imagine them any less interesting than the final results. They look ripped straight out of some god awful ps2 shovelware title. All this negativity aside, I'm really looking forward to this game and hope it turns out good.

 

[robin2]

There has been an update: Advanced Tactics: Exploring XCOM's Combat, Part 1

Does the suppressive fire paralyze the targeted unit? Because in that situation the guy could still move around the car the other way. I really really hope it doesn't work that way.

 

[duckroll]

Stop bumping this thread. We have a new thread for the mission gameplay already.