BigSpleenRupture
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DEMO means squat when it comes to practical in game use.
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XB1: Microsoft Claims that Cloud Computing Can Provide Power of 3 XB1's, 32 X360's
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DEMO means squat when it comes to practical in game use.
Nightengale
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The moe culture that's known to us only appeals to a very small segment of the market.
This is true moe, loved universally by Japanese young and old.
I've made this mistake before myself, but apparently time doesn't freeze when you load up a thread.
Tripolygon
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Another option will be to reduce the damage ability of the smart AI, don't make a dumb AI.
Psycho_Mantis
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Yamcha = Xbone in Japan
Isn't that the WiiU?
The moe culture that's known to us only appeals to a very small segment of the market.
This is true moe, loved universally by Japanese young and old.
An Xbox One with Kinect ain't gonna fit into that living room. Back to the drawing board.
The WiiU is Krillin.
Cthulhu_Steev
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We know it can offer extra compute to enhance the xbone CPU, but MS talk like they're shoving three machines into one Voltron console that jumps to next gen. It's disingenuous.
Sony did it with the Cell; it was suited to specific tasks and really came into it's own when used correctly with the GPU, but it was never going to give PS3 ultimate power like Ken promised. If Sony had talked about what the Cell could really do, I don't think they would've taken as much flak, because it turns out the were on the right track with the multi-threaded rendering.
Wii u didn't bomb as hard as the Xbox one is going to, I think.
Goku: "hey krillin, where's yamcha?"
Krillin: "oh, he's here.... And over there"
CaptainLoveline
Member
Microsoft is really trying to nail this into people's heads.
Meh, it's possible... but then it would all have latency and thus be absolutely pointless. Should of just made the Kinect a separate peripheral and added more power to justify the high price point at launch.
Meh, it's possible... but then it would all have latency and thus be absolutely pointless. Should of just made the Kinect a separate peripheral and added more power to justify the high price point at launch.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
These people's jobs are to hype this system up. Of course there is gonna be bullshit from all consoles. I agree then need to put up or shut up when it comes to "the cloud" but I just don't think its worth getting upset about like some are. Its just. A buzzword...
BrokenIcarus
Member
*sigh*
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Even if they didn't release another game, I would be happy with my WiiU, even if it's considered a Bob-omba.
Years as a Nintendo fan have taught me that a Nintendo machine is for Nintendo games, and not much else, Wii put a spanner in that, but the world seems to have righted itself now and nobody wants a Nintendo but the fans.
JackDebian
Banned
Cloud computing has had lots of practical applications in scientific calculations, protein folding, etc. But in my opinion there are very few practical uses for the tech in gaming. I think MS is just using the azure platform they spent millions on as a convenient way to add perceived value to an otherwise under powered XOne. It will never be utilized in the way they are claiming now, so most people are calling bullshit, and rightfully so.
Pankratous
Member
It hurts my head that thinking that people believe this. 
geordiemp
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Well in theory you could have one console with thernet connection to a nearby data centre with every server connected to that one console.
The single console in Theory would have many TF of compute power available to it.
In practice we will see nothing, absolutely nothing.
Heck, most games struggle to get multiplayer servers giving players low ping and faultless gameplay when player number escalates never mind running things in the game...
The single console in Theory would have many TF of compute power available to it.
In practice we will see nothing, absolutely nothing.
Heck, most games struggle to get multiplayer servers giving players low ping and faultless gameplay when player number escalates never mind running things in the game...
Why would I be talking about the 3x power thing? I responded to you because you asked what it did for Titanfall, and highlighted other games having comparable AI as a reason to dismiss Titanfall's reliance on the network (whilst also missing the fact that BF4 does not use MS' cloud, and has been a complete fucking disaster).
I gave you reasons why AI in Titanfall is not really the same thing as AI in something like Gears of War or Killzone, so why laugh off my comment as if I simply regurgitated what MS said?
cookie-monster
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It seems like 'cloud' is just a marketing term for dedicated servers. Which we've had for 20 years now.
The latency that comes with offloading processing for use in graphics rendering to the cloud is orders of magnitude slower than required to be of any use.
tl;dr it's just PR bullshit. I'm beyond sick of console companies and their PR lies.
The latency that comes with offloading processing for use in graphics rendering to the cloud is orders of magnitude slower than required to be of any use.
tl;dr it's just PR bullshit. I'm beyond sick of console companies and their PR lies.
SpinningBirdKick
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Microsoft continuing to treat potential customers like idiots.
Well said.
The latency involved with rendering graphics or offloading AI routines for most games is too much. Internet infrastructure has to change in order for all this to be viable. And in places like the United States, Internet Service Providers don't have the motivation to do so, because competition is largely stifled.
DOWN
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Right, but developers still have to develop the game to work on the Xbox One's power alone for those who are offline, just like Microsoft required for development in the fragmented hard-drive/no-hard-drive 360 space.
Until they themselves decided they needed a hard drive for Halo 4 and lifted the requirement for games to work without hard drives.
Until they themselves decided they needed a hard drive for Halo 4 and lifted the requirement for games to work without hard drives.
Cthulhu_Steev
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If it works as well as they say, they should just release a box with a controller port, HDMI and an ethernet connection to the cloud, as a WiiU-beating proof of concept. Oh yeah, and stuff a tiny, but REALLY loud fan in there to demonstrate POWER to your visitors.
They could easily fix that by buying a house on every single street and shoving a big server room inside each of them.
They could easily fix that by buying a house on every single street and shoving a big server room inside each of them.
Potential customers? It's Japan. Only Microsoft fans in Japan are buying this thing. There are no fence-sitters. Xbox One is going to sink like a stone after the initial launch.
Marvel
could never
Yea, I learned that too. I'm still really happy with my DSi and wii. I still don't have wii u nor 3ds but I'm planning on getting them when smash bros gets released.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
OT; A wiiU is like a Vita, it looks like something you really don't want, but when you actually own it your realise.
If companies and their PR are going to say it, then people should damn well question it. I know that sometimes it's just used to kick a console (whichever console) and can get tedious, but that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and accept it. And MS keep saying it. They're clearly working on and gearing up their Japan strategy, but it appears to be the same one they used to great disdain from launch to release in the west. I bet Albert left here just so he could learn kanji in preparation for his technical fellow posts on neoTokyoGAF and Asia Gamer's Digital Foundry. They keep telling us they're listening, they're learning, but who are they listening to? And what are the really learning?
Graphics? Sure. Quick response physics? Sure. However the latency involved with online based AI is not even close to being too much. I'm not sure what you think the average human thought processing and reaction time is.. but it's nowhere near as fast as your ping likely is.
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This gif way too funny
The moe culture that's known to us only appeals to a very small segment of the market.
This is true moe, loved universally by Japanese young and old.
Sorry, but this one beat those in term of light family slice-of-life story
cookie-monster
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We've had dedicated servers and bots for decades. It's not an exclusive feature for the xbone, it's been around since the Dreamcast went online, and the PC before that.
Corleth the Fey
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One of Microsoft's biggest mistakes in launching the Xbox One has been the fumbled and confused PR campaign. Why are they still flogging this cloud power dead horse?
Cloud power has been running MMO's for years, of course massive server farms improve games, games on ANY system. You can't argue against that. But why is Microsoft using it as a piss poor marketing point? It has only turned the core gamers against them, and running into Sony's arms. I mean what would happen if cloud was removed from Final Fantasy XIV ARR? It wouldn't work, so why isn't Sony shouting from the rooftops? "Woo hee look we've got the cloud! Look at us!"
I'm guessing it's because Sony didn't launch an overpriced and underpowered console and have a PR and astro turfing team comprised of fucking idiots.
http://youtu.be/aiWdJxshWMM?t=3m3s
I dont know guys.. You can put me on the side that believes that shit can happen...
That tricky "graphics AI".
Wut?
LOL
You're really working hard on the X1 thread attacks aren't you.
Microsoft has shown that Physics and AI can be handled by the cloud. Physics calculations for non-essiental things could greatly enhance some games.
You talked about baseless assumptions in another thread, yet seem to know any major improvement is "10 years away"
True
However, a fully dedicated, free to developers, dynamic server system is not a norm we've had.
What they are suggest isn't even really theoretically possible. You can't use cloud computing to increase your graphical performance.
The best they could do is use it for AI and maybe physics.
Are you equating "ping" with cpu processing? Pinging is basically just asking a question to the server to verify if there's a connection.
TheFurizzlyBear
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But that's the magic of word choice. They said it can do these things, not that it does. In theory these things could come to fruition. are they right now? No. Is it probable in the next few years? Not really. Is it possible by the end of the console's lifecycle? Yes.
Pound_lb003
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So please, Japan, we only need 500,000 of you to buy 32 x Xbox360, to test this theory out.