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[famousmortimer]

Playing devil's advocate, because I hate to see the overreaction:

-I can almost guarantee they will work out rental deals with redbox, blockbuster, gamefly, etc. They would be foolish to leave money on the table.

You can't guarantee anything. Seems likely, sure - but there's no guarantee.

-Put a piece of tape over the kinect sensor if you don't want MS to see you in your underwear. It's not like they'll be recording you on some server. relax.

Maybe. Or maybe the system locks up and says the kinect isn't working and won't work again until it sees you. Because that's the rumor....

-24 hours of offline play: If your internet is down for more than 24 hours get a new provider. My PC is always online and that's where I game the most. You're not taking the xbox out of your house to go camping so what is the problem?

You obviously don't live anywhere near the east coast. Hurricanes knocked out our utilities for weeks at a time. There's only so much wood to clean out of your yard before you get bored... and generators don't turn on the internet.

Not to mention college dorms with XBL blocked... or military members... or charities... or, well, you get the point.

-You can still trade a game to a friend. Once it's theirs, who cares what happens to it next. And there will still be avenues to sell your games. Amazon, gamestop, CeX... they'll all be there.

You can trade a game. Once. Is that good news?

-Sharing all your games among 10 people = amazing. I can see 10 of my gaming friends and I working out a system of who buys what. That's 9 less games we each have to buy. Makes up for the lack of trade-in.

You clearly didn't read the wording closely "any ONE of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." Yeah - good luck creating a share with people where only one of you can play at any given time.

Answers in bold.

Next?

 

[imperium]

Sorry if this has already been clarified but my impression from reading the first few pages is that you can sell disk based games (pubs approval) but not the digital version? Doesn't seem right to me. Did I miss something?

 

[Bunta]

Registered.

You are fast, sir.

 

[Spongebob]

Over 70% of Xbox 360 owners use Live. What's wrong with "24 hour check-in"?

30% are irrelevant?

 

[kirby145]

I like the share with 10 friends option.

 

[WaltJay]

Please someone tell me how a DRM check-in can exist on a console without an Internet connection? I ask because Sony's already said they are going to leave it up to the publishers to determine their used game policy. We already know what MS is planning. I seriously doubt EA/Ubisoft/etc. are going to have one Xbox policy that requires 24-hour check-in and not require that on the PS4.

So is Sony talking out its ass when it says it will work offline, or are we changing the definition of offline to mean you can go offline after you check-in via the Internet?

 

[nib95]

Luke has got you covered. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-had-a-very-bad-day-511766497

Damn man, you guys have been on point lately. Hope we can count on you guys to get the answers from Sony in due time, though I appreciate they've semi confirmed a lot of details.

 

[legacyzero]

AAAhahaha.

 

[BassForever]

Haha nice try Microsoft

If I buy your system it'll be at the end of the generation just to play halo 5 and 6.

 

[Tookay]

Playing devil's advocate, because I hate to see the overreaction:

-I can almost guarantee they will work out rental deals with redbox, blockbuster, gamefly, etc. They would be foolish to leave money on the table.

-Put a piece of tape over the kinect sensor if you don't want MS to see you in your underwear. It's not like they'll be recording you on some server. relax.

-24 hours of offline play: If your internet is down for more than 24 hours get a new provider. My PC is always online and that's where I game the most. You're not taking the xbox out of your house to go camping so what is the problem?

-You can still trade a game to a friend. Once it's theirs, who cares what happens to it next. And there will still be avenues to sell your games. Amazon, gamestop, CeX... they'll all be there.

-Sharing all your games among 10 people = amazing. I can see 10 of my gaming friends and I working out a system of who buys what. That's 9 less games we each have to buy. Makes up for the lack of trade-in.

This console sets a bad precedent. If it's successful, they won't stop here.

If you can't see the practices you're enabling, then you're incredibly naive.

 

[BruiserBear]

Hey guyz! Did you hear you can share your games with 10 other friends on Xbone?!? Microsoft is so generous!

 

[Apath]

Put this together to educate your not so tech savvy friends

So kind of Microsoft to make a one-console generation all that much easier to follow.

I was having serious doubts whether or not I would be able to stick with a single console throughout the next generation too.

 

[Sydle]

Edited and answered in order

-Doubtful.

-I take my xbox on vacation all the time. At night I hook it up and play it before hitting the hay. Can't do that anymore. As I said before there are troops overseas who don't have a stable internet connection. That means no Xbone. 31 million consumers never hook up their consoles. They just threw away 31 million sales.

-I let my friends borrow games all the time. Now I can only give it away and once it is gone I have to repurchase the game if I still want to play. I just wanted my friend to try a new game!

-Same IP address most likely. So unless all your friends live in the same house you will have find another exploit.

Those 31 million probably aren't worth it to Microsoft. They didn't subscribe to Live, they didn't buy DLC, subscribe to Xbox Music, rent/buy from Xbox Video, etc. MS can't bring those consoles into their online ecosystem and sell them more stuff.

It makes sense to do all of this someday (e.g., when there is wider broadband adoption), but I think this is way ahead of its time. Makes me wonder how hard the publishers were pushing MS for it and what kind of deals were made (i.e., exclusives) to get it done.

I like the share with 10 friends option.

Still waiting to hear how this is not going to be exploited. Seems too easy.

If my friends and I can in fact share our library of games then there is a bright silver lining (for me and my friends).

 

[Raxus]

Half-Life 3, Xbox One and PC exclusive

Gabe would just look at Microsoft and stare holes into them.

 

[Jarmel]

No. There will be more limitations than that. MS isn't stupid and they're not going to let 10 people split the cost of Halo 5 and then all play it together just because they claim to be family. Best-case, only one person will be able to play a particular game at a time.

Even one at a time is still great. Most games are short as fuck anyway.

 

[chadskin]

30%

Pirates.

 

[webkatt]

Damn this is bad. I mean personally I can live with all this crap and never see any repercussions but there is no effing way I am going to just accept it as the norm.

If anyone supports these policies they are ignorant.

MS has really shit the bed...

 

[dose]

The problem is that you're a shill account.

Lol @ their post history. Next on the list...

 

[Dizzy]

So publishers get to decide whether people get to resell stuff at all. But the potentially interesting part is where it says that "Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers." From the wording it seems possible that while Microsoft doesn't charge anything, publishers might. So even if say for example EA allows you to resell your game, they could possibly charge a new owner and call it a transfer fee or reactivation fee and until they shell that out they only have a piece of useless plastic.

Surprised people keep missing this. Transfer fees are confirmed as an option for publishers.

Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this.


Hmm, also
In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends.
Keyword being "enable". Sounds like even gifting is only an option which publishers may or may not use.

 

[RedNumberFive]

The wife is out tonight, so I figured I'd check out some porn, drink some wine, maybe watch some Arrested Development on Netflix.

That plan has been aborted. This will be my evening.

 

[AstroZombie]

The problem is that you're a shill account.

*checks account*

yep.

 

[Despera]

I have a question on the "share your games with 10 people" bit. Once I choose the 10 accounts as "family members", can I then switch some of 'em out for other accounts?

Are these accounts fixed and unchangeable forever, since your family members probably won't be changing. Or are they only fixed for a certain amount of time?

Anyone?

 

[Soler]

Major Nelson is still listening guys!

He can listen to everyone busting out their wallets to preorder a ps4

 

[SRTtoZ]

Luke has got you covered. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-had-a-very-bad-day-511766497

Thank you Kotaku.

 

[Gabe3208]

I'm reading lots of comments on here, both for and against these policies. I personally am against them and here's why:

I just, plain and simple, want to have the option of doing what I want with my games.

Some people here say they don't trade, they don't buy used, they don't let friends borrow their games, and so on and so forth. And that's perfectly fine, no issues with that at all. But the problem is that out of the 3,300 posts on here, only a handful are those kinds of people. The rest of us DO trade, we DO buy used, and we DO let our friends hold our games.

 

[Spongebob]

Registered.

That was fast.

 

[Sargex]

Answers in bold.
-24 hours of offline play: If your internet is down for more than 24 hours get a new provider. My PC is always online and that's where I game the most. You're not taking the xbox out of your house to go camping so what is the problem?

You obviously don't live anywhere near the east coast. Hurricanes knocked out our utilities for weeks at a time. There's only so much wood to clean out of your yard before you get bored... and generators don't turn on the internet.

Not to mention college dorms with XBL blocked... or military members... or charities... or, well, you get the point.

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

 

[The Boat]

While things aren't as bad as they initially seemed, there's still a lot of unnecessary hoops one has to jump through and a lot of anti-consumer bullshit.

 

[Shinta]

Luke has got you covered. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-just-had-a-very-bad-day-511766497

 

[Demon Ice]

This sounds awesome!

but Microsoft is being too nice.

Holy shit. Dude, you suck at your job. I hope MS isn't paying you much.

 

[Kinyou]

Quick guys, lets get online-passes back. Maybe EA will forgive us

 

[Gangxxter]

I think the worst part is the following: because you're required to log in online every 24 hrs, one day you won't be able to play Xbone games at all anymore! Because the day will inevitably come when the servers are shut down or the old Xbone hardware won't be supported anymore. Therefore I think, in 20-30 years you won't be able to play Xbone classics anymore. The days will be soon over where you get an old system from your attic, dust it off, hook it up to your TV and enjoy some game classics from the past.

 

[Bunta]

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

I played The Show when my power was out from a hurricane a few hurricanes ago, lol.

 

[Cynar]

Holy fuck, Microsoft. I *really* hope you have the best E3 ever, since you'll need it to convince me to buy your next console.



I haven't gone through this massive thread, but any ideas why people are getting banned?

Astroturfing accounts aren't allowed which is what those people were doing.

 

[slightconfuse]

You can't use an x1 without Internet right

 

[nero2082]

Another shill bites the dust.

FordGTGuy

wow he thought he can blend in here

 

[Gorillaz]

The wife is out tonight, so I figured I'd check out some porn, drink some wine, maybe watch some Arrested Development on Netflix.

That plan has been aborted. This will be my evening.

/DEAD

 

[8sanders]

Wow. The fact that some people in this thread are defending this just blows my freaking mind.

 

[MechaX]

So publishers get to decide whether people get to resell stuff at all. But the potentially interesting part is where it says that "Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers." From the wording it seems possible that while Microsoft doesn't charge anything, publishers might. So even if say for example EA allows you to resell your game, they could possibly charge a new owner and call it a transfer fee or reactivation fee and until they shell that out they only have a piece of useless plastic.

So basically EA is going to return the Online Pass system this way.

 

[VariantX]

You can't use an x1 without Internet right

pretty much because you have to check in once a day.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

Stop.

 

[xxracerxx]

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

Ummm last I checked, the internet goes down for a bevy of other reasons than just natural disasters.

 

[140.85]

Isn't MS painting a huge target in their backs here?

Won't XbOne become the target du jour for hackers?

 

[mightynine]

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

Here's a crazy thought: The internet might not be up, even if the power is back on after a hurricane.

 

[daffy]

Playing devil's advocate, because I hate to see the overreaction:

-I can almost guarantee they will work out rental deals with redbox, blockbuster, gamefly, etc. They would be foolish to leave money on the table.

-Put a piece of tape over the kinect sensor if you don't want MS to see you in your underwear. It's not like they'll be recording you on some server. relax.

-24 hours of offline play: If your internet is down for more than 24 hours get a new provider. My PC is always online and that's where I game the most. You're not taking the xbox out of your house to go camping so what is the problem?

-You can still trade a game to a friend. Once it's theirs, who cares what happens to it next. And there will still be avenues to sell your games. Amazon, gamestop, CeX... they'll all be there.

-Sharing all your games among 10 people = amazing. I can see 10 of my gaming friends and I working out a system of who buys what. That's 9 less games we each have to buy. Makes up for the lack of trade-in.

- Not at launch they won't, which is pretty telling. I don't want "deals" because that will likely end up with gamers getting a watered down "rental version" like it is with movies except worse. We already don't have multiplayer with online passes now.

- yeah that's just silly so I'm not even touching that one.

- OR I can load up my mobile broadband that I travel wi-- oh wait, this is a HOME CONSOLE FFS. no reason I should have to check in to the Ramada Inn when I want to play games. It's there to push there cloud nonsense and does not benefit me and I deserve a choice..

- I can't with this one. "Who cares" I just can't.

- nope again thats just you apologizing for their arbitrary limit settings.

 

[Soler]

SenjutsuSage: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61780568&postcount=685

Speedy Blue Dude: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61782374&postcount=780

Hunter Gather: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61789892&postcount=1248

crusadernm: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61806752&postcount=2233

RyanReedyMusic: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61812206&postcount=2458

MrNyarlathotep was banned but not for a post in this thread I think, he's also an old-school GAFer.

I knew that speedy blue dude was suspicious since that other MS thread yesterday

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm late on this but:

I like jaffe and all but man if one of his games came out that implemented that 2-3 month trade-in restriction. Well then I won't buy it and will hope it flops horribly. We'll see how much more money it makes. It's funny that he would say such a thing considering I think it's fair to say that a lot of the people that buy his games are the more savvy core audiences who do know this stuff.

/random

 

[famousmortimer]

Really? So when the hurricane knocks out your power and internet you're going to want to waste your generator gas on an xbox gaming session? That is a really weak argument man. The military aspect I can't disagree with though.

Yes. Because when the sun goes down it's really, really, really boring. We had a total of 4 weeks without power in the last year because of two separate storms. I'm speaking from experience.

 

[Krusenstern]

Registered.

Baller, you're fast.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Even one of these policies would be horrible on it's own, yet Microsoft felt the need to hit a grand-fucking-slam.