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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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Marty Chinn
Member
Hey look, someone who doesn't know anything about software development criticizing it like an expert.
I don't follow at all why waiting for the DVR to change channels would ipso facto make the UI sluggish. They could just have a blank box in the preview windows box thing while the Xbone waits for the signal from the DVR/TV Tuner. Why is it any different to waiting for a YouTube video to load, for instance?
These are genuine questions, I'm no tech expert.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Precisely why they faked it. They are not the first to fake something for a presentation, and they won't be the last.
At this point any Xbox One news is being shit on from all angles, rather tiresome.
Do other industries fake stuff like this? When Apple demonstrates how fast something happens on one of their devices, I have a feeling they're actually showing how fast something happens on one of their devices.
If it's just a concept demonstration, I feel like it'd be better to show a video labeled "concept demonstration" instead of getting some guy on stage to fake it in real time literally lying about how quick and responsive it is.
If it's just a concept demonstration, I feel like it'd be better to show a video labeled "concept demonstration" instead of getting some guy on stage to fake it in real time literally lying about how quick and responsive it is.
Sandy Nipples
Banned
The design doesn't look like its catering for core gamers at all, it just looks so, bleh, looks like some pretentious little interactive kiosk at a futurist furniture convention. It's too similar to Metro, by the time everyone uses Windows 8, you will come back from pounding spreadsheets all day relaxing in front of the same GUI, you will probably end up dead in months after this, this GUI is evil.
who are you replying to? I haven't seen anyone saying that.
shinra-bansho
Member
When your announcement is centered around [pretending] how fast and snappy your new system is, when the new feature you're touting is how rapidly you can switch input and seamlessly integrate with live television, you don't see how it's incredibly disingenuous?
Microsoft is not relevant? They are in their best position in 10 years.
Essentially if they were running a PC game and claiming it was realtime PS360.
They should have just said, "this is an early prototype" and been done with it. Not a huge deal, but a tad deceptive.
"Yes, that fast, did you see how instant it was? Come on, it was so good let's see that again."
dat instant switching
Miles Quaritch
Member
I won't deny I don't know a lot about software development, but this is their big feature. Their big hook, the thing that will differentiate them from the competition and the fact that it's a choppy mess isn't exactly encouraging.
In fact, choppy is somewhat of an understatement, it looks like it's struggling like my old PC used to due to poor memory and overheating. I'm sure they'll work out the kinks before launch, but it doesn't fill anyone with confidence seeing that.
This is especially damning, because the only thing impressive about there presentation was how quickly you could bring those things up and switch inputs. If there is no hardware/software combo that Microsoft has to actually demo it, then it is another Milo.
I can understand not doing a live demo in front of a large audience of people due to interruptions and registering difficulties, but to do that and not even have a model that works the way shown at the presentation or even close to demo quality in a perfect environment is fraudulent. They suckered the public and tech community.
I can understand not doing a live demo in front of a large audience of people due to interruptions and registering difficulties, but to do that and not even have a model that works the way shown at the presentation or even close to demo quality in a perfect environment is fraudulent. They suckered the public and tech community.
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
Banned
Obviously not many Directv users here. No external device will ever be able to make Directv's content load faster. It's slow as hell.
I kind of assumed it was fake because of HOW smooth it was. Their mistake was actually showing the real thing before it was finished. I really hope that if we get some kind of same demo at the MS conference at E3, one of the gaming outlets there asks the MS reps there if that demo was in real time or pre-recorded footage.
Was TVii demoed with live TV? Or was it just prerecorded?
Complain when it doesnt work like this on launch day. Not now.
Alec
Member
What does this mean? Microsoft is going to buy Sega?
My preview window doesn't run at 5 fps. It is super slow to switch channels.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Are you suggesting the final build won't be slick?
No, that's exactly what I'm saying is going to happen. Or at least I think the final version is going to be like. UI will probably be a good degree quicker than it is in the OP's video (not as quick as the conference video), but the actual video content will always be somewhat sluggish or lag behind, dependant on the DVR itself.
The complaint here was that everything in the Microsoft conference was instant, including the Live TV and video etc. The stuff that you yourself acknowledge there very likely will be delays for. That's the disingenuous part from Microsoft.
same with nvidia. a lot of companies dont out and out lie. SCE wasn't one of them, ;-). Although I do think Cerny is a stand up guy, so that probably has changed.
Deuterium
Member
My good man, AmirOx...that was a rather fair and balanced assessment by yourself. By the way, I do enjoy your posts, and the passion you have for the industry and our past-time. Keep the faith, brother.
In the interests of full disclosure...at this point, I plan on getting both the Xbox One and the PS4, at each respective launch.
Sandy Nipples
Banned
Is there a chance the One could be postponed? Anyone know if, historically, any consoles were pushed back? Or is that just not going to be allowed to happen?
This video of the UI was released the same day as the reveal, along with the Kinect hands on (hands off?) demo.
I'm sure it was discussed in the last "SHOCK NEWS: the presentation was fake" thread.
Yeah. It's complete bullshit when you say it like that, as if the software is working that fast at the moment.
And they're not the first to be criticized for it either. And they won't be the last.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Yeah, the OS is worked on until the last possible moment for launch. It's software and no different than all of the game software that demos unoptimized until release. Given the history of consoles launches, it wouldn't be surprising if they don't even have final hardware to demo yet. Thing is, they set themselves for quick and responsive operation at launch with that presentation. So, now we have a mark to expect getting hit at release and so does MS.
Are you suggesting it will be?
When IR blasters cableco boxes are involved, there can be no slickness.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Good, as long as the hate is balanced I don't mind.
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, this is fair. Making a big deal about the performance of a faked presentation is deserving of scorn.
Miles Quaritch
Member
True, but this was one of the very few features that genuinely impressed me at the reveal. To see it in its current state kinda kills a lot of the confidence I had in the OS and its features.
We'll see what it looks like at launch though.
Oh, completely. The disingenuous bit was the fact that it was all faked and they were commenting on how snappy it was etc. But we already knew all that. I thought the point of this thread was to make the claim that the UI is actually a total mess.
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
Banned
If the UI has to wait for the actual content to appear, it's going to be slow. As I've said, anyone with Directv knows how shitty it is. Changing channels can take upwards of 5 seconds. If there's a problem with the speed of the UI, this was the dumbest example to choose. Show one where they're loading Skype, or an app on the XB1. If it's still slow, there's a problem. Showing Directv footage loading as an example to prove the UI is slow just isn't very smart.
I think he's saying Balmer will be out of MS soon and owning a Sonic drive in restaurant lol.
From everything we have heard, development of games and the OS are 6 months or so behind schedule, yeah? So it is not surprising this is how it looks IRL, but I still cannot stand when presenters stoop to such levels as canned audience cheering and 100% faked demos. If it is a target, PLEASE SAY SO and don't mislead EVERYONE.
Marty Chinn
Member
That build is 7 months old, which means by the time the Xbox One is released it will be 13 months of development time added on to that build. They probably shouldn't have showed it like that, but it's not something to be concerned about.
What does 3GB of RAM have to do with the performance here?
Yeah, it's not the end of the world. Every company has been guilty of it at some point (except, to Nintendo's credit, I don't think they've done this very often). I just think they should have labeled it like you said, "Proof of concept" or "prototype" and then this thread would be more like "man, I hope they have enough time to smooth out the kinks before launch."
Thanks. I hope the systems change their mind about certain things so you can more fully enjoy the platforms you purchase at launch
