7DollarHagane
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Supersampling is nice but I don't think it should be mandated. Nioh's options for resolution or framerate are appreciated.
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Xbox Scorpio has system-wide supersampling for 1080p display users
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Those of you with 1080p projectors (like myself) will see a tremendous jump in IQ.
Switching between Rise of the Tomb Raider's 1080p mode and supersampling mode on my Pro was a staggering difference. The supersampled mode looked vastly sharper, cleaner and just had a "Wow" factor that couldn't be replicated at native 1080p.
Switching between Rise of the Tomb Raider's 1080p mode and supersampling mode on my Pro was a staggering difference. The supersampled mode looked vastly sharper, cleaner and just had a "Wow" factor that couldn't be replicated at native 1080p.
Caayn
Member
Funny thing is XB1 and even Sony's own PS4, among a ton of other consoles, already downsample if the rendered resolution is higher than the output resolution.
It's just the Sony dropped the ball massively with the PS4 Pro on this front, for some weird reason. I'd be more surprised if MS fucked this up.
It's just the Sony dropped the ball massively with the PS4 Pro on this front, for some weird reason. I'd be more surprised if MS fucked this up.
Devs can still create multiple modes for their games. But a game can no longer adjust itself depending on the output resolution, which has been the standard for consoles.
wesleyshark
Banned
I disagree. There's no reason not to mandate it.
dmix90
Member
Nothing stops them from offering performance options like that.
The way it should be. Go 4K yourself Sony.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Nice feature to have.
Hopefully the ps4 pro gets this in a firmware update as well.
Hopefully the ps4 pro gets this in a firmware update as well.
blue_phazon
Member
As someone who hasn't seen 4K content in real life yet, this is baffling to me. R&C on my PS4Pro on a 1080p monitor looks incredible
If you have the specs to force it, I think it's a good decision.
Sony probably didn't so they could react to an event like TLOU:R, and that was kinda unfortunate.
Risk Breaker
Member
You might get lower performance by a couple of FPS so some nitpicky people would prefer switching to 1080p.
It's happened.
wesleyshark
Banned
I hope Sony can do that for ps4 pro owners. It really should be the standard.
Andrefpvs
Member
The options are there, it's in the OP:
What's great is that if you have a 1080p display, you are not locked out of supersampling. You have the option now.
I'll edit the OP to make this more visible.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Well, that's more of my problem with the scorpio.
The machine seems awesome, but the PS4 unfortunately has all the games I want this gen.
moltonasty
Member
Damn that's nicee
The Salt Life
Banned
Third party games will look better on Scorpio
It's the reason why a lot of people got a PS4, the games looked better on that compared to the Xbox one. Unless that logic no longer applies anymore. The rules tend to change often.
Sony just need to add a 720p/1080p (super sampled) option in their display setting, that way it will always take the game highest res and scale it to anything you want. Don't know why this isnt an option already. Also surprised that there is min 8XAF override in boost mode like nVidia control panel, with the additional bandwidth of the pro and delta color compression, it should have enough extra bandwidth to force atleast 8xaf on old game. One of those thing that shouldn't have a lot of compatibility issue neither. Both seems possible.
Ps4 exclusive machine, scorpio multi platform machine.
Chill Penguin
Member
This is actually pretty awesome. The hype is getting to me, this may end up being my multiplat machine.
I have to believe Sony has been stripping their games of and stopped encouraging third parties to implement downsampling because a system level update that will implement it is coming. Otherwise, they're just asshole idiots.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
My PS4 Pro is only hooked up to the TV (Haven't made the jump to 4K yet) and Horizon looks fantastic with a downsampled image while MLB The Show doesn't have downsampling and the jaggies are pretty noticeable. Sony really missed a trick there.
Having this be a system-wide feature is fantastic, Forza is going to look SO good on the projector.
Having this be a system-wide feature is fantastic, Forza is going to look SO good on the projector.
The Futurist
Member
Exactly.
Unless of course those graphical differences don't matter anymore.
We've had years of people telling us how important that differences between ps4 and xbox one versions of games are.
Let's see what those people have to say now that every 3rd party game will look and run better on the scorpio. Something gives me a feeling that it won't really be important anymore. Or whatever other reasons people will give to sleep better at night.
There were six games - and that includes The Last of Us, which has already been patched to run better in higher resolutions.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/11/12/list-of-ps4-pro-games-with-issues-111216/
Nuking the feature like Sony did is atrocious.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Is there a point for Sony to force this on a firmware level now? It seems like every new game supports downsampling, and there are very few patched ones that don't (TLOU, TLG are the two I know of, and with TLG the framerate is worse in 4K mode)
Right, that's why I said a choice is optimal. Let me turn it on or off. Because on the flip side, Microsoft permanently mandating it for everything could be equally atrocious. Both extremes.
Samurai G0SU
Member
that is pretty awesome - how devs respond will be the interesting part of this.
will they take advantage of the stronger hardware and implement the additional options required? or will they just let their game play better with the brute force?
will they take advantage of the stronger hardware and implement the additional options required? or will they just let their game play better with the brute force?
People got a PS4 because it was cheaper. The power thing was more overblown here and among fanboys. Price was always the driver. At this point people will play 3rd parties on whatever console they already play.
Pro and Scorpio aren't changing that. At least from a mass consumer sense.
Stick a 4K in it and tell me if it's done?
texhnolyze
Banned
Meanwhile, Sony is still patching supersampling individually due to 'stability and safety'. Some games are still missing the promised feature for 1080p users.
I'll never buy a Pro unless they can come up with this approach. Fantastic move from Microsoft.
I'll never buy a Pro unless they can come up with this approach. Fantastic move from Microsoft.
wesleyshark
Banned
It's definitely doable, and hopefully they deliver on that. 4k tvs are on the rise, but the majority of gamers are still on 1080p and will be for a while.
Possumowner
Member
Yup that's fantastic news
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
is like you are playing bullshots on your tv, most of the times
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Imagine seeing basically no stair stepping edges. Just smooth.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Absolutely love this.
Hatefilled Vengeance
Member
No plan to get a 4k TV anytime soon, so this is pretty awesome.
wesleyshark
Banned
Feels good man.
texhnolyze
Banned
They've been treating the Pro half-heartedly, it'll be too late. Even if they can somehow made it by next year, it'll be too close to PS5 in 2019-2020, and everyone will be using a 4K TV already. The PS5 is gonna be THE 4K console for most people.
jacksepticeye
Member
Very nice! Should have been the same with the Pro so hopefully Sony will follow suit after this
wesleyshark
Banned
Wife aggro 😂
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Hmm, that's more than I thought. Although I think some like NMS were patched in the meantime, and Witness actually offer better AA in 1080p mode than supersampling from (sub?)4K would offer.
Shil Pencer
Member
Sega Saturn had "powerfull specs" that nobody could take advantage of but it also had tons of great games
RedAssedApe
Banned
Yep Sony needs to do this. The improvement in image quality is so good. Exhibit 4K mode in Rotr where all the jaggies and shimmering go bye bye