DeepEnigma
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I’ve seen hours of them, I know exactly what they are. Cog’s whole job is shilling for Xbox. He does it at defining Duke and at Lords of Gaming where the shilling is even louder.
I’ve seen hours of them, I know exactly what they are. Cog’s whole job is shilling for Xbox. He does it at defining Duke and at Lords of Gaming where the shilling is even louder.
I mean, Sony did announce this:Kind of marketing 101. A bit like AMD really talking up the need for VRAM before launching the 6000 series and Nvidia doing the reverse. These companies know what products they have in the pipeline and want to message around that before release.
Not doing that is poor business. That's how you end up like Sony with the PC releases where they had an army of fanboys who were convinced that games also on PC were of no real value and then the bomb dropped.
LOL at people thinking that there aren't more "influencers" on the PS/Nintendo side vs. Xbox. There certainly are.
The mating call of the white male feminist.
Yes anyone can join and they give you free gifts like 3 days gamepass voucher or Xbox socksOnly Xbox has damage control?
X to doubt
You're comparing astroturfing/damage control to...a celebrity influencer program? Come on nowI mean, Sony did announce this:
Introducing PlayStation Playmakers™: A Conversation with Eric Lempel
This week, we’re welcoming a variety of cultural influencers to the PlayStation family through a newly launched program, PlayStation Playmakers. We sat down with Eric Lempel, Senior Vice President and Head of Global Marketing at Sony Interactive Entertainment, to chat about the program and what...sonyinteractive.com
Now, do they do this quietly with others, maybe.
But you have to admit some Xbox influencers are a different beast. My entire issue is Xbox execs being associated with fanboys. And I used to see some say PlayStation needs hype ppl like Colt or Timdog, etc.
Uh....no they most certainly do not.
I mean, you even make the point yourself about Sony and PC releases.
I for one get tired of the shills stinking up this place.why do people actually care what influencers think and say.
As I said in a previous post, Matty has more or less become a shill. Yes, he did shit on Redfall and Fallout 76.Shills? Matty at least is very consistent in his critisms and was basically black listed from Bethesda after being one of their biggest influencers for shitting all over FO76 and shitted on Redfall like crazy. He's just a dude who loves rpgs and kind of became an Xbox influencer because they acquired obsidian, inexile and bethesda the biggest WRPG studios. Cog is more of a fanboy but he's not a toxic one for the most part, seems to be all in jest.
Briefing journalists who will report on your story is one thing, using social media brand shills to brainwash is another.
Learn the difference.
I mean Starfield is understandable since he’s massively hyped for it, I think that goes back to it being announced even & he very much has rose colored glasses on about itAs I said in a previous post, Matty has more or less become a shill. Yes, he did shit on Redfall and Fallout 76.
But he has gone crazy lately with non-stop Starfield videos. He blindly thinks that Gamepass is great for the industry and is unwilling to discuss downsides.
I do love him for his passion for Fallout projects and I wish more people would join in with him in requesting earlier Fallout games get remastered.
They don't. Unless colin is lying. Which is certainly possible, but they don't get any review codes or invites to events. Colin was cancelled years ago after all.Yeah I’m sure Sony never gives Sacred Symbols guys a heads up on anything.
I don't disagree that Sony should focus on games and less on a social media presence. Sony prefers to let their games do the talking. However, I don't think it would hurt for them to do a little bit. I am certainly not in favor of Xbox's country club buddies with the community, without strong first games to back it up. I am also not in favor of Sony's ultra secret, stay in the shadows, do one press release stuff here and there.I mean, Sony did announce this:
Introducing PlayStation Playmakers™: A Conversation with Eric Lempel
This week, we’re welcoming a variety of cultural influencers to the PlayStation family through a newly launched program, PlayStation Playmakers. We sat down with Eric Lempel, Senior Vice President and Head of Global Marketing at Sony Interactive Entertainment, to chat about the program and what...sonyinteractive.com
Now, do they do this quietly with others, maybe.
But you have to admit some Xbox influencers are a different beast. My entire issue is Xbox execs being associated with fanboys. And I used to see some say PlayStation needs hype ppl like Colt or Timdog, etc.
Uh....no they most certainly do not.
I mean, you even make the point yourself about Sony and PC releases.
Yeah I’m sure Sony never gives Sacred Symbols guys a heads up on anything.
Do xbox fanboys ever have a response to criticism besides "b b b but sony too!" ?Yeah I’m sure Sony never gives Sacred Symbols guys a heads up on anything.
I don’t even see this as valid criticism. Sony has a community they engage with and Xbox does as well.Do xbox fanboys ever have a response to criticism besides "b b b but sony too!" ?
Seriously, it's the same response every time xbox gets any criticism.
It's a weird view I have on Matty. I hate his clickbaity stuff and I think he is falling into the trap of overhyping. I haven't watched a Starfield video in months. I've already seen all I need to see from that game. I absolutely love his Fallout videos and my hope was that influencers like him COULD push MS towards remastering 3 and New Vegas. It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that people will pay for these remasters/remakes. Capcom is proving it, Sony is proving it. EA is proving it.I mean Starfield is understandable since he’s massively hyped for it, I think that goes back to it being announced even & he very much has rose colored glasses on about it
GamePass he’s clearly in the deep end with having bought into the PR, I still wouldn’t say he’s as much of a shill as Cog or the others though, it’s more just him likely being influenced by the programs that HeisenbergFX4 has revealed, Matty likely isn’t paying for GPU and that skews his views on things
bias is human nature after all, it’s difficult to acknowledge your own biases and work to counter them, and we’re seeing many companies actively try to exploit that (not just companies, in politics too), our culture as a whole is getting more and more polarized
Please, show me an example of Sony engaging with the community. I would love to see Sony more vocal and out promoting their products.I don’t even see this as valid criticism. Sony has a community they engage with and Xbox does as well.
“Oh no Xbox is going to charge the same price everyone else is, how scandalous”
do you watch his Retro Rebound channel? that’s my favorite stuff he does of lateIt's a weird view I have on Matty. I hate his clickbaity stuff and I think he is falling into the trap of overhyping. I haven't watched a Starfield video in months. I've already seen all I need to see from that game. I absolutely love his Fallout videos and my hope was that influencers like him COULD push MS towards remastering 3 and New Vegas. It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that people will pay for these remasters/remakes. Capcom is proving it, Sony is proving it. EA is proving it.
I have GP locked up until 2025, so it's not like I won't play Starfield, but I will be playing it on PC. I am done with 30 fps gaming. I put up with it last gen since, most gaming was at 30 fps and I wasn't exposed to high refresh rate gaming until I got a 2080 Ti and I got a 144Hz monitor. I now actually don't even like 60 fps gaming all that much. I want at least 90. 60 is acceptable though! Back on topic....
Ok good for them.They don’t. Colin often talks about it, how they have no communication with Sony at all. It affords him/them a level of freedom they aren’t willing to give up.
You literally quoted the Playmakers initiative from someone else like 10 minutes ago.Please, show me an example of Sony engaging with the community. I would love to see Sony more vocal and out promoting their products.
That is pretty much the biggest reason why Sony is hated is that they don't communicate. I don't want a country-club atmosphere like Xbox, but I don't think it would hurt for Sony to have someone like a Major Nelson.
This is a big reason why people despise Jim Ryan so much as he is seen as a corporate shill bean counter.
Who the fuck is the Playmakers Initiative? Which post?Ok good for them.
You literally quoted the Playmakers initiative from someone else like 10 minutes ago.
What you babbling about. We have on record Xbox exes saying they pay an army of shills to evangelise their products.A central tenant of PR is something only Xbox does?
This is what GAF really believes…
I’ve joked before that the only people that hate Jim Ryan more than Xbox fanboys are the PlayStation fanboysThe weird thing is that (at least on GAF) the diehard Xbox fans never ever say anything negative about Xbox. In contrast, a lot of the so-called Sony fans will rip into Playstation the moment Jim Ryan puts a foot wrong. The non-stop, unrelenting positivity from Xbox fans just feels a bit... forced? Unnatural?
I have no issue admitting that I favor Playstation over Xbox because Sony has delivered for me in the area that I care about the most: high quality exclusives. Until that changes, they will still be my console of choice. I love the first party games they put out. Many claim they don't , but 10-20M in sales say otherwise.The weird thing is that (at least on GAF) the diehard Xbox fans never ever say anything negative about Xbox. In contrast, a lot of the so-called Sony fans will rip into Playstation the moment Jim Ryan puts a foot wrong. The non-stop, unrelenting positivity from Xbox fans just feels a bit... forced? Unnatural?
Yeah, Playstation players are no fan of Jim Ryan. Most of us hate him.I’ve joked before that the only people that hate Jim Ryan more than Xbox fanboys are the PlayStation fanboys
edit: there are some exceptions though, I think DenchDeckard is one of the good ones, definitely an Xbox fan but Dench will actually criticize them occasionally
Who are these people ?
what is the context of the clip ?
what was he about to say before the video cut out?
I’m confused - the topic is about Xbox giving influencers a heads up on negative news. It’s literally how PR works.What you babbling about. We have on record Xbox exes saying they pay an army of shills to evangelise their products.
You consistently see the same people working overtime on this very forum. You don't see anything like it from Nvidia/and can boys or Nintendo or Sony fanboys.
Who the fuck is the Playmakers Initiative? Which post?
Are they employed by Sony? Are they executives?
Again, it is straight up false to say that Sony engages with the community at a level anywhere REMOTELY close to what Xbox does. People know who Phil Spencer, Aaron Greenberg, Major Nelson are. I say that it would do Sony some good to get a figurehead that is more likeable like Jack Tretton or "Kevin Butler."
Aside from Jim Ryan who is else spends a ton of time doing podcasts, going on shows?
Here comes the damage control. What took you?
No I guess YOU didn't read the post YOU just responded to so I will TYPE it again in a BIGGER FONT so you will get the hint:I’m confused - the topic is about Xbox giving influencers a heads up on negative news. It’s literally how PR works.
See:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...ents-to-damage-control.1659169/post-268223207
I guess you didn’t read the post you replied to?
What do you base this on?
Maybe there are but in the case of PS and ESPECIALLY Nintendo i highly doubt they're getting paid to make Sony/Nintendo look good. I think they do it because they're dumb fanboys and like to shitpost on twitter.
Microsoft is actually paying these guys, and you can tell because there's less trash talk and more corporate speak and buzzwords. Talks about acquisitions, gamepass, news, etc. Actual Fanboys don't conduct themselves in such a manner.
I mean, Sony did announce this:
Introducing PlayStation Playmakers™: A Conversation with Eric Lempel
This week, we’re welcoming a variety of cultural influencers to the PlayStation family through a newly launched program, PlayStation Playmakers. We sat down with Eric Lempel, Senior Vice President and Head of Global Marketing at Sony Interactive Entertainment, to chat about the program and what...sonyinteractive.com
Now, do they do this quietly with others, maybe.
But you have to admit some Xbox influencers are a different beast. My entire issue is Xbox execs being associated with fanboys. And I used to see some say PlayStation needs hype ppl like Colt or Timdog, etc.
Uh....no they most certainly do not.
I mean, you even make the point yourself about Sony and PC releases.
Not only that but they are eerily consistent in their positivity/optimism. Real fanboys have violent mood swings between sniffing their favourite platform's fart to wanting to slap the CEO.Maybe there are but in the case of PS and ESPECIALLY Nintendo i highly doubt they're getting paid to make Sony/Nintendo look good. I think they do it because they're dumb fanboys and like to shitpost on twitter.
Microsoft is actually paying these guys, and you can tell because there's less trash talk and more corporate speak and buzzwords. Talks about acquisitions, gamepass, news, etc. Actual Fanboys don't conduct themselves in such a manner.
Smart for MS. The people listening to these guys absolutely lose.I guess I just don't see the issue here. This is smart.
SO I will say it again:
It is absolutely FALSE to say that Sony engages in PR/social media/community at a level anywhere remotely close to the level of MS and your counter-evidence to that is mentioning a blog/podcast called Initiative something something with some dude named Eric that I (and probably most of GAF) have never heard of?
That's cute. Keep it up.